[ditch3316]

I was wondering if anyone has used the thevegasnightmare.com service. Just curious to see if its another scam or if its for real.

[cohen_28bets]

I heard their radio commercial on Sirius. They are real. Only been with them for a few weeks, and don't even bet baseball, but they are actually pretty good. Lots of run lines and underdogs. Will see how football goes... Hard to endorse anything with only being with them for a few weeks. From the looks of it, they seem real. Hope that helps.

[themajormt]

HMMM You signed up today, and your ONLY post is talking about them? Interesting...

[fsugolf]

lmao @ major

[Willie Bee]

I was wondering if anyone has used the thevegasnightmare.com service. Just curious to see if its another scam or if its for real.

Best way to avoid a scam is simply to avoid them all.

[Dank_Fire]

HMMM You signed up today, and your ONLY post is talking about them? Interesting...

Saw this same thread @ another forum

[cohen_28bets]

I will be the first to admit that I don't have the desire nor the time on my hands to log the hours you guys do on these forums. I registered only to get information on a sportsbook that had issues with paying out. I saw the vegas nightmare comment, and..... noticed the guy was new to the forum as well, so posted my comment. Should have know it would have be viewed by the PROFESSIONAL BLOGGERS that it was some type of angle. I could not physically convince myself to care less about what somebody plays, buys or does with their money. Give me a break, I find it astounding that a simple comment like mine gets so many views and interest. Where do you find all this time to care about what other people are doing.

[20Four7]

the vegas nightmare is right here........ don't f\*\*k with these guys.....

[nlc2249]

Vegas Nightmare is a bait & switch. They get you to try them out for 10 or 30 days @ $39 or $195 respectively. Before you know it, you're getting calls and texts from people that want you to pony up another few hundred for supposedly "higher rated" picks. I guess the regular picks they give you aren't considered highly rated. Since May 6, 2011 when I started they are a stellar 33-40 in the regular picks you get via email and barely playing just over .500 ball w/ the "guru" that contacts you after you join.

[nosniboR11]

Best way to avoid a scam is simply to avoid them all.

so willie is saying avoid all the online books too, because they will scam you

[ssbcart1]

I agree; I did a trial with them also and their picks were always below .500!!!!

Vegas Nightmare is a bait & switch. They get you to try them out for 10 or 30 days @ $39 or $195 respectively. Before you know it, you're getting calls and texts from people that want you to pony up another few hundred for supposedly "higher rated" picks. I guess the regular picks they give you aren't considered highly rated. Since May 6, 2011 when I started they are a stellar 33-40 in the regular picks you get via email and barely playing just over .500 ball w/ the "guru" that contacts you after you join.

[tractortrailer]

I will be the first to admit that I don't have the desire nor the time on my hands to log the hours you guys do on these forums. I registered only to get information on a sportsbook that had issues with paying out. I saw the vegas nightmare comment, and..... noticed the guy was new to the forum as well, so posted my comment. Should have know it would have be viewed by the PROFESSIONAL BLOGGERS that it was some type of angle. I could not physically convince myself to care less about what somebody plays, buys or does with their money. Give me a break, I find it astounding that a simple comment like mine gets so many views and interest. Where do you find all this time to care about what other people are doing.

I was wondering if anyone has used the thevegasnightmare.com service. Just curious to see if its another scam or if its for real.

I find it interesting that Cohen28 Bets posts here only twice and than dissapears because he does not care what us serious players here at SBR Forum think. What was the sportsbook you had trouble getting a payout in and why did you not comment about it to let the other members here know about it?

Please tell us how your experience went with the VN since your last posting and if you are still actively taking their plays so the general public can be informed if we should purchase their picks or not.

[kfranz31]

nothing yet?????

[tractortrailer]

Surprise surprise my amigo.

[Champion]

Was going to start a new thread about The Vegas Nightmare (Sheldon Graham) but found this so thought I'd post my experience here.

This is a bit of a long one so my apologies !.

I took out the whole season of baseball with them on their high end 'Private Club' service since April.
They were still doing NBA for this Private Club until that finished and for that they were very up and down and not that good especially through the NBA playoffs.

So since the end of June they have started giving out their so called premium baseball selections which have been absolutely terrible ! each week they have gone 4 or 5 losses with 2 wins and that's consistent !.
They are deeply in the red for this service and yet when they do manage to get a winner they shout it from the roof tops but never show or say when they're loosing.

If you contact them asking for any info about their services such as records etc they do not reply BUT if you contact them asking to sign up to one of their packages they will be all over you.

Anyway today I notice that I have not received today's pick and I log into my account on their site and I find that I can no longer access the 'Private Club' .
I contact their supposed great customer support only to be ignored when I told them of the problem I am having accessing the service.

So I tried another of their email addresses and I receive a reply from the owner (who isn't called Sheldon Graham funnily enough) saying to call this number.
I mailed back telling him I have already explained what the issue is and could he please resolve it for me.
He replies back extremely arrogantly telling me to call and that no questions will be answered via email.
I mailed back saying what do I need to call for ? I have just told you what my issue is ? I am a paid client so can you once again please fix the problem with my account-to which he very nicely writes back "Call or get LOST".

So guys stay WELL WELL away from this crowd ! do not get burned like me,they will take your money and the minute you have a problem they don't care,they will either ignore you or like me tell you to get lost and that's it - so you have been warned.

[The Kraken]

Thanks for the update

[Champion]

Thanks for the update

No problem man ! if it even stops 1 other person from being robbed by these total scammers then at least that's something ! and they are also running 2 other sites that I know of but use different names for them and pretend that they aren't one and the same when asked.

[mikejamm]

No problem man ! if it even stops 1 other person from being robbed by these total scammers then at least that's something ! and they are also running 2 other sites that I know of but use different names for them and pretend that they aren't one and the same when asked.

Yeah, it was a Vegas nightmare all right!Fly by night scammers, when will people learn!

[Champion]

Exactly ! They go on a winning streak on one of their services and say they are the elite of the elite but never mention that they've only had a few winners in the last few weeks before that,the sheer arrogance from them aswell,I think they actually do believe all their own hype.

[tractortrailer]

Thank you for the update. I have investigated all of these touts and found who is legit and who is not. If it were not for legal liabilities I'd be glad to throw all of them under the bus here in a thread but have a family to keep in mind.

[tmr]

No problem man ! if it even stops 1 other person from being robbed by these total scammers then at least that's something ! and they are also running 2 other sites that I know of but use different names for them and pretend that they aren't one and the same when asked.

Made the same mistake you did. Signed up for 4 months and got killed. Bought the daily, private, syndicate and off the record picks. The win percentage was 44% and the customer service was horrible. Jack, one of the owners, is a slick and arrogant conman who will rob you blind. He will boast a 75% win percentage, which I knew was BS but was hoping for 58-60%. Avoid this company at all costs.

[jjgold]

Most touts are scammers
Everyone knows this

[Smoke]

Why not but the package to fade

You're guaranteed to win

[Aurelius67]

Vegas Nightmare (Jack) is a BLOODY JOKE! I didn't actually read through the rules of the forum so if I get booted for posting ACTUAL PICKS from the Vegas Nightmare, I don't care. Since I paid him $800 on Monday for his Daily, Private, and Syndicates (for 4 months) PLUS another $500 for 'TOP RATED' he has given me Arkansas St Oct 21st (LOST), Carolina/Tampa Under 'TOP PLAY' Oct 24 (Which I actually liked but LOST), Boise St Oct 25th 'TOP PLAY' (LOST){Also claims on his site that he promoted BYU which is bold F'n Lie**, Tulsa (LOSS) Minnesota (WIN but should've lost) TCU (LOSS) {And once again claims on his site he promoted Texas**. Today, although all the games aren't finished yet, he picked Buffalo +11, Jets +5.5, and ATL +2.5!!! He has gone 2 of 10 over the past week... I COULDN'T EVEN PICK MORE LOSERS IF I TRIED!!! I make fun of people that get scammed for being so easily manipulated and scammed, and now, feel sick to my stomach over my greed and being soo gullible to his claims. Salt in the wound; its not just the 13 hundy I paid him, its the 2k+ I lost on taking his picks.. And IF I don't get kicked from this thread, I will continue posting his picks after the games end (so I'm not breaching any privacy laws but ONLY keeping records) - Cheers

[tractortrailer]

Vegas Nightmare (Jack) is a BLOODY JOKE! I didn't actually read through the rules of the forum so if I get booted for posting ACTUAL PICKS from the Vegas Nightmare, I don't care. Since I paid him $800 on Monday for his Daily, Private, and Syndicates (for 4 months) PLUS another $500 for 'TOP RATED' he has given me Arkansas St Oct 21st (LOST), Carolina/Tampa Under 'TOP PLAY' Oct 24 (Which I actually liked but LOST), Boise St Oct 25th 'TOP PLAY' (LOST){Also claims on his site that he promoted BYU which is bold F'n Lie**, Tulsa (LOSS) Minnesota (WIN but should've lost) TCU (LOSS) {And once again claims on his site he promoted Texas**. Today, although all the games aren't finished yet, he picked Buffalo +11, Jets +5.5, and ATL +2.5!!! He has gone 2 of 10 over the past week... I COULDN'T EVEN PICK MORE LOSERS IF I TRIED!!! I make fun of people that get scammed for being so easily manipulated and scammed, and now, feel sick to my stomach over my greed and being soo gullible to his claims. Salt in the wound; its not just the 13 hundy I paid him, its the 2k+ I lost on taking his picks.. And IF I don't get kicked from this thread, I will continue posting his picks after the games end (so I'm not breaching any privacy laws but ONLY keeping records) - Cheers

there have only been a few handicappers to make money so far this season. Wager minds has a lot of them listed and unitbettingsystem.com has some algorithm that has been hitting 68% so far this season but its not over yet so that number will obviously fluctuate. you have been warned about the vegas nightmare though carry on peasant.

[jjgold]

Guys how stupid are you there all frauds every service

[Aurelius67]

Guys, how stupid are you? they're all frauds; every service. *

[tractortrailer]

aurelius isnt very good at handicapping like me up 12 units this week

[747planes]

Guys how stupid are you there all frauds every service

I am guessing you don't have any experience with bettingresource. You would be kissing their a$$ if you did. They are solid. But i agree most services are crap, they are rather marketers than handicappers.

[Hot Jerry]

aurelius isnt very good at handicapping like me up 12 units this week

so what about tomorrow night in NCAAF -- champ give us the winner [ cinci - memph ] we all can use a winner !!

[tractortrailer]

mike rosen is the only documented handicapper outside of SBR that I know of (that is not a celebrity) that beats the spread consistently.

[Alock]

Exactly ! They go on a winning streak on one of their services and say they are the elite of the elite but never mention that they've only had a few winners in the last few weeks before that,the sheer arrogance from them aswell,I think they actually do believe all their own hype.

This sounds exactly like Vegas Runner!

[jjgold]

You deserve to be screwed if you pay for any sort of an investment service

Tiuts are the biggest scums in the world

Pure trash and cheats

[tractortrailer]

Yes you deserve to get screwed buddy. You should know better. jjgold and I are in the same boat I only bet on football now and used nflpicksaction.com this season because they only sent plays via text messages and emails but you should know better if they try to sell you on the phone

[marcoloco]

I agree; I did a trial with them also and their picks were always below .500!!!!

if they are consistently way below thats not a bad thing... just fade away