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    Air force + 3

    I like Air Force plus 3 over Toledo today. Toledo's coach has already left the program for Illinois. Air Force senior QB Jefferson has started 43 straight games and is looking to end his carrier on a winning note. Toledo's QB has started two games. Stats are similar level of competition is not. Air Force has played TCU, Notre Dame, Boise St.and San Diego St. Toledo's big wins has come against New Hampshire, East Michigan, Central Michigan and Ball St. Military academies are well prepared and do well in bowl games. Throw in our nations capital Washington D.C. What am i missing? I think Air Force wins this game.

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    I don't know bibby

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    Goodluck, Mr. Big. I hope not to see this play on ugly luck.

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    I have no lean on this game at this moment mr big. I wish you the best of luck. Take care.

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    Bobby what do you think about the under here?

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    i was leaning toledo until i remember air force basically shut down keenums pass attack in the bowl game last year so im going AIR FORCE LARGE

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinoloco212 View Post
    i was leaning toledo until i remember air force basically shut down keenums pass attack in the bowl game last year so im going AIR FORCE LARGE
    Case Keenum was hurt last year, I'm sure they still have most of the guys from their defense from 2 years ago

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    how many thousands has your son lost, social life ruined all from gambling. and you brought him into it all didnt you

    shame on you mr big

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    Bob, how's the new ride? How's Mr Big?

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    Might take Air Force first quarter or first half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Bob, how's the new ride? How's Mr Big?
    New ride is great, love that car. Mr. Big is doing good

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    Bobby has been doing well as of late

    Who is giving him plays??

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    If you are not fading MAC teams you just should not be gambling, ever in your life. Air Force wins the game.

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    Love this play bobby! Lets cash this shit!

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    I like Air Force alot buy consensus from college bowl contest shows not, 68-44 on Toledo.

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    Here is my breakdown of this matchup. To me Toledo upon first glance looks very impressive statistically especially on offense where theyve been explosive. But when i look at toledos schedule there are some troubling trends. When they have played the better teams on their schedule theyve found ways to lose, this including syracuse, northern illinois, a trampling to boise st, and hardly squeaking by WMU while getting absolutely gashed in the process for 63 pts. They played ohio st close but remember the buckeyes were breaking in a new coach and QB. The numbers say their run D is OK at about 120 ypg but when looking at half the teams on their schedule I can throw that number out the window. AF on the other hand has played both TCU, Boise, and ND, while giving Boise a scare on the blue turf. Their strength is running the ball with their patented triple option offense, grinding the clock with methodical drives, led by their senior QB Jefferson who may be the best QB in AF history. They can also mix it up with the occasional pass to keep defenses honest and makes them tough to defend. On the other side u have an AF D that is poor against the run statistically and it looks like disaster vs a balanced toledo team that can run the ball too. This leads me to last yrs game in which AF pretty much stoned GT and their vaunted ground game when it was said AF was too small and undersized. With weeks of rest AF will use their quickness and disruptive front 7 to try and bottle up Toldeo, the same way they stopped GT on the ground. I also expect AF to game plan defensively with an eye on slowing down eric page who is the guy that makes their offense go, and they care more than capable with one of the top pass D in the nation at 160 ypg allowed and are very aggressive defending the passing lanes. That being said I see this layoff hurting toledos rythm offensively who peaked late, while AF is chomping at the bit to win another bowl game for the 3rd straight year. I expect AF to come out strong and rattle toledo early with big plays and toledo to eventually fail to match their intensity and AF rolls to victory behind jefferson. Edge AF +3, AF ML +150. GL

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    Good analysis, dont agree, but valid points.......!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    Case Keenum was hurt last year, I'm sure they still have most of the guys from their defense from 2 years ago

    they are still rank 18th in the country in pass d...ill take that anyday

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    I don't understand this line -- is Air Force really that bad that they are +4.5 to a passing MAC team on a windy day in a bowl game?


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    I don't get the line either, but let it go higher and hope to get 5 or more. I was on board with AF even at pickem.

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    Where is AF +4.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PD77 View Post
    Where is AF +4.5?
    Everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PD77 View Post
    Where is AF +4.5?
    Well, everywhere.

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    because there begging you to take A,F, the line might go higher

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    Quote Originally Posted by PD77 View Post
    Where is AF +4.5?
    A better question...where are they not +4.5???

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    Toledo is a lot better than their record, they should of won some close games and also they changed starting QB's and running backs late in the year and have gotten better. Right now Adonis Thomas might be the best running back in the country looks like Garrett Wolfe did a few years ago. Not sure exactly how they will matchup vs. Air Force's offense but option teams are usually less successful in bowls because the other team has more time to prepare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStale View Post
    Well, everywhere.
    Not everywhere. It just moved to -4 at heritage and was -3 118 an hour ago. I do see it at 4.5 at 5dimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    Toledo is a lot better than their record, they should of won some close games and also they changed starting QB's and running backs late in the year and have gotten better. Right now Adonis Thomas might be the best running back in the country looks like Garrett Wolfe did a few years ago. Not sure exactly how they will matchup vs. Air Force's offense but option teams are usually less successful in bowls because the other team has more time to prepare.

    i think Thomas ov rushing yards may be one of the better plays in this gm, he has been getting a lot of touches and af really struggles stopping the run giving up 5ypc..

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    Lang is on Toledo -3....

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    I wouldn't worry about the move to 4.5 yet. This is the time of gameday when the public dumps money onto whatever looks good. Let it rise. It'll come back down some b4 gametime

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    Quote Originally Posted by PD77 View Post

    Not everywhere. It just moved to -4 at heritage and was -3 118 an hour ago. I do see it at 4.5 at 5dimes.
    5dimes, Pinnacle, Bodog, etc. at the time. Line is coming back down now though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2daBank View Post
    i think Thomas ov rushing yards may be one of the better plays in this gm, he has been getting a lot of touches and af really struggles stopping the run giving up 5ypc..
    5dimes has it at over 110.5 -130...I like the play bbot or the juice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djstucky View Post
    5dimes has it at over 110.5 -130...I like the play bbot or the juice...

    i got 113.5-105 at Bovada but they up to 122.5 now

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