[Wallco99]

That's Wallcos system. JM Discip is doing the JM system.

Don't confuse them, technically they are right. The traditional JM system says to play it the way they described, JMD is posting it as the 1-7-5 bet strategy for JM system, playing all games at (-110), regardless of dog or favorite. It is just a coincidence that the favorites in my system are bet the same way as JM traditional favorites, as M/L, and Chase 110 is NOT the cause of their confusion. If Chase 110 wasn't being posted in here, the same question would have been asked.

[jonohull]

It really sucks pasting to this site. Something changed two years ago and I've also been having trouble pasting ever since.

Maybe you could try making the template in a post on the blog in your profile, and save it. Then try copy/pasting from there.

[Wallco99]

Maybe you could try making the template in a post on the blog in your profile, and save it. Then try copy/pasting from there.

Too time consuming. I have numerous shortcuts in WORD that I don't have on here, and days when there are several plays, such as today, would take too long. Thanks though. For a play post in this thread, I have to write it up, paste it in my NHL Gold thread, hit post quick reply, hit edit post, cut the whole post, save it in here, STILL format a few issues after bringing it over, save it, then go back to NHL Gold thread and paste my NHL plays post in the post # that was occupied by the Chase 110 post. Pain in the ass, but the only way that it works for me. If I try to post it directly in here, it will give me an error message that says, "There are more than 100 objects in your post, 10 object limit". Funny, because I have NO objects in my post. Now the NHL thread that I use is two years old, it lets me paste it there but no other new thread on SBR. I don't know what they changed since two years ago, but they changed something, and it blows.

[ridersonthestorm]

Thanks gentlemen for clarifications, appreciated.

BOL to all, whatever system they use.

[BuckeyeKaptn]

On Covers, for my system, I just copied and pasted my last post or what I had made in excel. I posted as plain text.

What I meant, is that we play just -110 for what JMD posts. Stated it wrong.

[J.M. Disciple]

[thelimit0310]

Hello everyone!

I have gone back and hand-selected 5 years to backtest the 1-7-5 method. This is the exact same system as the 7/5, only instead of skipping A bets we play them without a point buy. Every single season I tested benefited from the use of the A bets in the system. Winning season had more winnings and the losing season I tested lost a few units less. The A bets on average boost the systems results by about +20 units more every season. The biggest change was in 2008-2009, the 7/5 brought home +266 units, the 1-7/5 boosted this result to +314 units for the season.

Not only am I back on the forum (and ready to handle any 7/5 material/questions) but I am very confident in the 1-7/5's ability to help boost the system's units per season, and I am fully backing this method this season just as Wallco is doing.

I can post a quick overview of the 1-7/5 shortly, I will also include a link to the master description posted a couple season ago. Just keep in mind that this description is now slightly outdated as it does not include the 1-7/5, but is easy enough to understand once the concept of the system is clear.

Cheers to a good season!

[thelimit0310]

1-7/5 System Description

The 1-7/5 plays all versions of the JM System. Originally the 7/5 method skipped the A bet, but this is no longer the case in the 1-7/5 method. We now play all A bets in the JM system, but we still *DO NOT* buy any points. Now when an A bet is available, we place a wager to win 1 unit, again not buying any points. If this A bet wins, of course the series is over. If the A bet loses however, it *MUST* lose by more than 3.5 points to the given spread to move on to the B/C level. If the A bet loses but by less than 3.5 points to the spread, you take your A bet loss and the series is over. Think of the A bet as essentially a flat bet, but also a qualifier game for the 7/5 system. If the A bet loses by more than 3.5 points to the spread, it qualifies the B bet. PUSHES DO NOT MEAN LOSSES. On the B bet, place your wager to win net 7 units (A bet loss + 7 units), again we are not buying points. If this bet wins, the series is over. If this bet loses we move to the C bet, on the C bet we place a wager to win net 5 units (A bet loss + B bet loss + 5 units). If this bet wins, the series is over. If this bet loses, the series is over and a loss for the system is taken. One loss in 1-7/5 is roughly -26 units, so plan your unit size accordingly.

Just remember if our initial A bet loses, it *MUST* lose by more than 3.5 points to the spread for the series to continue to B and C. If it does not lose by more than 3.5 points, you take your loss and move on! Again, this is because the A bet is still being used as the qualifier bet for the 7/5. Just so everyone is clear on this: If New Orleans has an A bet and the spread is +6, New Orleans would have to lose the game by 9.5 points at least for this series to move on to B and C. If they lose by less than 9.5 points, the series stops. PUSHES DO NOT MEAN LOSSES.

It is also important to note that no series can even qualify for this system before Nov 1. So series that started yesterday are the first viable series of the season. Series that started during October are disqualified.

Here is a link to the main description, keep in mind it is slightly outdated and does not reference the 1-7/5.
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...l#post13698541

READ THE DESCRIPTION BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS IT HAS PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. Thank you!

[J.M. Disciple]

thelimit0310, if you would like to run the 1-7-5 since you back tested it you can and I will step down. If not I will continue. Thank you for the back test! Its greatly appreciated!

VIA Thelimits backtest I will remove SAS from the 1-7-5 system today. Just cause we made the mistake of playing SAS as the B bet, we it does not qualify via 3.5 filter. Spread was -7.5 so they would have to win by 4 or less to qualify.

[dlunc3]

jm nba 1-7-5 system
*based on -110 odds
*all games are based on covers closingline
*do not buy points
*spread sheet can be found for downloadpost #78
*bets posted via $100 unit size
*recommended minimum of 100 units as bankroll
*Any questions read first 5 pages of this thread
*Been told any questions refer to post #100

a) $110 to win $100
b) $891 to win $810
c) $1651 to win $1501


upcoming plays
11/02/2013 10:00pm SAS(B) -2.5 vs POR
11/02/2013 9:00pm Hou (A) -6 vs UTA

system record: 0-0
system profit: -$110
A) 0-1
B) 0-0
C) 0-0

Sorry did not let me get rid of the bold print when I copy and paste and was not going to retype it all. Just going to have to deal with it and enjoy a +9.1 unit day tomorrow.

JMD, please correct me if I am wrong.. The spurs should not be a bet today as the A bet did not lose by more then 3.5 points of the spread. Based on this, unless I am mistaken, we are to just accept the 1.1 unit loss on the A bet and just end our chase.

If this is correct, hopefully to many people didn't already place their large bet for tonight!

[dlunc3]

just saw your post right before mine.. good catch

[thelimit0310]

No problem JMD. You can continue posting if you want! I am usually not able to get to a computer and use this forum until 1-2pm EST, so if I did the posts they would be in the late afternoon. So go ahead and continue if you can get them out earlier and I will be here to discuss any discrepancies if there are any. Just make sure you understand the system you're posting fully. Remember to track all A bets however the A bets need to lose by +3.5 points to the spread for them to qualify as a B/C 7/5 series. So if the spread is +10 it would then become +13.5. If the spread is -10 you still add 3.5 points, so the spread becomes -6.5

[J.M. Disciple]

I usually post the plays night before since the plays are laid out and odds dont matter like they do in NHL or MLB. If you see a mistake just correct it and ill edit my post later.

Also as Wallco has stated many times, do not quotes the plays because if I am wrong like the SAS game today , than it could mislead people.

[J.M. Disciple]

jm nba 1-7-5 system
*based on -110 odds
*all games are based on covers closingline
*do not buy points
*spread sheet can be found for downloadpost #78
*bets posted via $100 unit size
*recommended minimum of 100 units as bankroll
*Any questions read first 5 pages of this thread
*Been told any questions refer to post #100

a) $110 to win $100
b) $891 to win $810
c) $1651 to win $1501


upcoming plays
11/02/2013 9:00pm Hou (A) -6 vs UTA

system record: 0-0
Series that do not qualify: 1
system profit: -$110
A) 0-1
B) 0-0
C) 0-0


SAS series is over and we take the -1.1 unit loss for the 1-7-5 system. I did not know the 3.5 filter is part of the system, i thought it was only for 7/5 system, but since back test used it than we will apply it. There are no other filters that I know of in terms of injuries or worse road team via back test, so we will not apply those filters so please don't ask. This is not a traditional system so please read the thread.

[J.M. Disciple]

Anyone wanna post a better layout I will be happy to update and use it. My layout is bugging me!

[thelimit0310]

This is how I did it last season JMD, I think it is clear and concise. If you want to use it this way go ahead. Use red/green to denote wins/losses for the previous plays, and today's plays in bold and blue. Record and reference post link on the bottom. Again, just be sure you calculate the +3.5 point filter before determining whether or not an A bet goes to B/C as 7/5.

1-7/5 Plays Nov 1

A. San Antonio -7.5 vs LA Lakers

1-7/5 Plays Nov 2

A. Houston -6 vs Utah


Record
A 0-1
B 0-0
C 0-0

Reference Post #184

[J.M. Disciple]

Will use that. I just want to note closed series when they do not qualify via filter. I guess the link explains it. Thanks limit

[Wallco99]

Hello everyone!

I have gone back and hand-selected 5 years to backtest the 1-7-5 method. This is the exact same system as the 7/5, only instead of skipping A bets we play them without a point buy. Every single season I tested benefited from the use of the A bets in the system. Winning season had more winnings and the losing season I tested lost a few units less. The A bets on average boost the systems results by about +20 units more every season. The biggest change was in 2008-2009, the 7/5 brought home +266 units, the 1-7/5 boosted this result to +314 units for the season.

Not only am I back on the forum (and ready to handle any 7/5 material/questions) but I am very confident in the 1-7/5's ability to help boost the system's units per season, and I am fully backing this method this season just as Wallco is doing.

I can post a quick overview of the 1-7/5 shortly, I will also include a link to the master description posted a couple season ago. Just keep in mind that this description is now slightly outdated as it does not include the 1-7/5, but is easy enough to understand once the concept of the system is clear.

Cheers to a good season!

Funny you mention this. I was clearing out some old files this morning and came across one labeled comparison. I had also done a 4 year backtest on 1-3-5, 7/5, and 1-7-5 comparison, as well as play it live for the majority of last season, ALL my seasons also ending up ahead of the other 2 by playing 1-7-5. Maybe we can compare notes and end up with a more extensive proven backtest if we happened to test different years. PM me on the matter so not to clog the thread with back and forth nonsense. Results were in favor of 1-7-5, and now that I think about it, I seem to remember posting this in last year's thread. I completely forgot that I partially tested this strategy. Nice to see you back also.

[Wallco99]

1-7/5 System Description

The 1-7/5 plays all versions of the JM System. Originally the 7/5 method skipped the A bet, but this is no longer the case in the 1-7/5 method. We now play all A bets in the JM system, but we still *DO NOT* buy any points. Now when an A bet is available, we place a wager to win 1 unit, again not buying any points. If this A bet wins, of course the series is over. If the A bet loses however, it *MUST* lose by more than 3.5 points to the given spread to move on to the B/C level. If the A bet loses but by less than 3.5 points to the spread, you take your A bet loss and the series is over. Think of the A bet as essentially a flat bet, but also a qualifier game for the 7/5 system. If the A bet loses by more than 3.5 points to the spread, it qualifies the B bet. PUSHES DO NOT MEAN LOSSES. On the B bet, place your wager to win net 7 units (A bet loss + 7 units), again we are not buying points. If this bet wins, the series is over. If this bet loses we move to the C bet, on the C bet we place a wager to win net 5 units (A bet loss + B bet loss + 5 units). If this bet wins, the series is over. If this bet loses, the series is over and a loss for the system is taken. One loss in 1-7/5 is roughly -26 units, so plan your unit size accordingly.

Just remember if our initial A bet loses, it *MUST* lose by more than 3.5 points to the spread for the series to continue to B and C. If it does not lose by more than 3.5 points, you take your loss and move on! Again, this is because the A bet is still being used as the qualifier bet for the 7/5. Just so everyone is clear on this: If New Orleans has an A bet and the spread is +6, New Orleans would have to lose the game by 9.5 points at least for this series to move on to B and C. If they lose by less than 9.5 points, the series stops. PUSHES DO NOT MEAN LOSSES.

It is also important to note that no series can even qualify for this system before Nov 1. So series that started yesterday are the first viable series of the season. Series that started during October are disqualified.

Here is a link to the main description, keep in mind it is slightly outdated and does not reference the 1-7/5.
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...l#post13698541

READ THE DESCRIPTION BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS IT HAS PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. Thank you!

I found the post from last season's thread when I first introduced 1-7-5. It can be found here:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...l#post17220288

[Wallco99]

thelimit0310, if you would like to run the 1-7-5 since you back tested it you can and I will step down. If not I will continue. Thank you for the back test! Its greatly appreciated!

VIA Thelimits backtest I will remove SAS from the 1-7-5 system today. Just cause we made the mistake of playing SAS as the B bet, we it does not qualify via 3.5 filter. Spread was -7.5 so they would have to win by 4 or less to qualify.

*****

[Bdolan33]

what happened to spurs?

[Wallco99]

***

[imotiv8]

1-7/5 System Description

The 1-7/5 plays all versions of the JM System. Originally the 7/5 method skipped the A bet, but this is no longer the case in the 1-7/5 method. We now play all A bets in the JM system, but we still *DO NOT* buy any points. Now when an A bet is available, we place a wager to win 1 unit, again not buying any points. If this A bet wins, of course the series is over. If the A bet loses however, it *MUST* lose by more than 3.5 points to the given spread to move on to the B/C level. If the A bet loses but by less than 3.5 points to the spread, you take your A bet loss and the series is over. Think of the A bet as essentially a flat bet, but also a qualifier game for the 7/5 system. If the A bet loses by more than 3.5 points to the spread, it qualifies the B bet. PUSHES DO NOT MEAN LOSSES. On the B bet, place your wager to win net 7 units (A bet loss + 7 units), again we are not buying points. If this bet wins, the series is over. If this bet loses we move to the C bet, on the C bet we place a wager to win net 5 units (A bet loss + B bet loss + 5 units). If this bet wins, the series is over. If this bet loses, the series is over and a loss for the system is taken. One loss in 1-7/5 is roughly -26 units, so plan your unit size accordingly.

Just remember if our initial A bet loses, it *MUST* lose by more than 3.5 points to the spread for the series to continue to B and C. If it does not lose by more than 3.5 points, you take your loss and move on! Again, this is because the A bet is still being used as the qualifier bet for the 7/5. Just so everyone is clear on this: If New Orleans has an A bet and the spread is +6, New Orleans would have to lose the game by 9.5 points at least for this series to move on to B and C. If they lose by less than 9.5 points, the series stops. PUSHES DO NOT MEAN LOSSES.

It is also important to note that no series can even qualify for this system before Nov 1. So series that started yesterday are the first viable series of the season. Series that started during October are disqualified.

Here is a link to the main description, keep in mind it is slightly outdated and does not reference the 1-7/5.
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...l#post13698541

READ THE DESCRIPTION BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS IT HAS PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. Thank you!

Wallco, are you saying that your strategy will provide more units and is better than the one that THELIMIT has just laid out. (more units and better compared to years past)

[Wallco99]

Wallco, are you saying that your strategy will provide more units and is better than the one that THELIMIT has just laid out. (more units and better compared to years past)

No, I made a mistake. The way thelimit laid it out is how I initially set it up in my reference in post #195. A few pages back I stated that this system was not backtested, then when I found the backtest, I couldn't figure out why I didn't remember that I tested it. The reason is, I didn't play it exactly how I tested it, I played ALL JM series to the end, regardless of the 3 1/2 point (A) bet filter. This was the difference from my original version, and was the part I never backtested. I did very well that way, but no evidence of it being better than my original version in prior seasons.

[Wallco99]

But actually, I kept a pretty detailed spreadsheet when testing the 1-3-5, 7/5 & 1-7-5, and figuring out what my unit counts would have been had I played ALL series to the end just may not be too hard to figure out. I will let you know.

[Wallco99]

I updated my backtest sheet of 1-7-5, for the past few seasons, to include playing ALL JM series to the end and not stopping on a -1.10 unit loss if bet doesn't lose by 3.5 points to the spread.


The Results show the +/- unit counts had we played ALL series to the end and ignoring the 3 1/2 point filter.

2008-09: I backtested this season but a large portion of my data somehow got deleted, will have to redo.

2009-10: We would have netted +53.44 more units.

2010-11: We would have netted +73.88 more units.

2011-12: We would have netted -88.64 units.

2012-13: I did very well playing this last year, but do not have full record done yet, but feel strongly that it netted more units.

Even with this limited backtest I still plan to play it this way this season. As I compile more backtested results, I will post them.

[BuckeyeKaptn]

I played SA tonight

[Wallco99]

I played SA tonight

Me too.

[analyzer]

Not sure what I will do beyond tonight after reading all of the backtest results but I too do have a 7 unit "to win" wager on the Spurs tonight so I am hoping they come through for us!

[imotiv8]

Not sure what I will do beyond tonight after reading all of the backtest results but I too do have a 7 unit "to win" wager on the Spurs tonight so I am hoping they come through for us!

I'm gonna stick with thelimit as it is fully backtested

[knugen]

Is it more than 3,5 point a team have to lose with to qualify for a 7/5 play?

[Wallco99]

I'm gonna stick with thelimit as it is fully backtested

Yes, I backtested it last year as well. We're talking the same thing, just I play it differently, not looking for others to do so. I will finish the 8-10 year backtest of the strategy I am playing and post when I am complete. But for now, I would reccommend the original way I laid it out, playing the (A) bets in addition to the 7/5 for 1 unit, and stopping the series if the (A) bet fails to cover the 3.5 point filter.

[J.M. Disciple]

RECAP 11/2/2013
A. Houston -6 vs Utah

NEXT PLAYS
11/3/2013 V3 PHO (A) VS OKC
11/3/2013 V1 ATL (A) VS LAL

PROFIT: -$10
Record
A) 1-1
B) 0-0
C) 0-0

Reference Post #184

[BuckeyeKaptn]

For those of you that played SA last night ( ), C game is on Tuesday.

[BuckeyeKaptn]

Is it more than 3,5 point a team have to lose with to qualify for a 7/5 play?

3.5 plus the spread. Take SA on Friday. They were favored by 7.5 (my line). They won the game by 6 points...losing to the spread by 1.5 points, therefore no play on actual 7/5. If they had won the game by only 3 points, they would lost to the spread by 4.5, therefore making it a play on the B game at 7 units.

Is this correct Wallco/Limit?