[brahmabull117]

I don't get it. The guys walks a good number of hitters and has mediocre strikeouts



Those are traditional indicators of a mediocre pitcher with subpar numbers...yet 2.70 era last season and 2.20 era this season? How is this possible?

[Derty D]

I pretty sure he knows how the pitch: studies hitters' weaknesses, isn't pressured to have to strike everybody himself/he trusts his defense, keeps the hitter off balance, allowing contact, but little to show for it.

That sure is a good question! Usually pitchers with a great K/BB ratio may be impressive, but still get hit. Voglesong is another type.

I don't claim to be an expert, since nobody replied, I thought I'd answer.

[brahmabull117]

I pretty sure he knows how the pitch: studies hitters' weaknesses, isn't pressured to have to strike everybody himself/he trusts his defense, keeps the hitter off balance, allowing contact, but little to show for it.

That sure is a good question! Usually pitchers with a great K/BB ratio may be impressive, but still get hit. Voglesong is another type.

I don't claim to be an expert, since nobody replied, I thought I'd answer.

Pitchers with poor k to bb ratio practically never succeed long term. It's just too difficult to consistently give up so few hits when you're not striking out people and it's just too difficult to consistently give up a good amount of baserunners but not give up runs



I would be very curious to see if Vogelson continues his success. Conventional thinking tells you that his ERA should regress to around 4-4.5 anytime soon now

[1sob]

he's a smart pitcher doesnt have an over the top
fastball like starsburgh but he does get the job done

[NYSportsGuy210]

If you watch his pitches he is good at keeping the ball down and forcing ground ball outs. Coupled with the fact that he pitches in AT&T park it is a good combination for a low ERA. It is hard to hit his pitches cleanly.

[Squirrel Kokomo]

I don't get it. The guys walks a good number of hitters and has mediocre strikeouts



Those are traditional indicators of a mediocre pitcher with subpar numbers...yet 2.70 era last season and 2.20 era this season? How is this possible?

have you ever watched him pitch? that is an honest question from someone that has watched over 75% of his starts over the last 2 seasons.

[face]

has variety of pitches and keeps hitters guessing. good location

[2daBank]

you guys wasting your time trying to explain baseball to this character...pretty god damn funny that he thinks vogelsong the first pitcher in history that pitches to contact and has success...

[HoulihansTX]

Mostly luck

[brahmabull117]

you guys wasting your time trying to explain baseball to this character...pretty god damn funny that he thinks vogelsong the first pitcher in history that pitches to contact and has success...

There have been successful long term pitchers in baseball that pitched to contact but they were guys like Maddux that basically never walked anybody and still had a fantastic K to BB ratio



A guy who doesn't strikeout people and still walks a good number of batters? That's never going to be a long term recipe for success