Easystreetsports.com continues to lie, i never defrauded anybody. I am not flying to costa rica, for all i know they will kill me. Why does easystreetsports come to florida and have a 3rd party review the computer which is the only remedy that would ever be used by a court of law. Even polygraph tests are inadmissible in a court of law due to its unreliability.
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Im not sure if either party would be happy with this idea but maybe the best resolution would be to refund the player his 10k and split the 46k profits 50/50...issuing a total payout of 33k. Then we could put to bed all this lie detecter, fly to Costa Rica bs. Seems fair to meComment -
Now it appears easystreet has resorted to posting comments using fake names suggest as stevex. There is no player in the universe that would be willing to walk away from 46,000 doll. In winnings.Comment -
Now it appears easystreet has resorted to posting comments using fake names suggest as stevex. There is no player in the universe that would be willing to walk away from 46,000 doll. In winnings.Comment -
It is obvious we are missing the meat of the details but 5848 hands in 326 minutes could be accomplished playing 25 hand VP on DGS software. Playing single hand VP would equal 18 hands per minute or 1 hand every 3.33 seconds which is impossible, but I dont get those types of results out of any autoplay feature I have used. I have no experience with video poker bots but I may do some research to see what I find.
Back to my original post, I do not see what the problem is with using a video poker bot. Standard VP has a house edge of .05% which means the longer you play the more you lose. It is to the casinos advantage to have the player play more hands. This is why the B&M casinos have auto-shufflers, because they want to DEAL FASTER which equals greater profits over the long run. This is why the best casino software providers have the autoplay feature built in. Even if the player used a bot to play 10,000 hands in 10 seconds it would give him zero advantage EXCEPT for playing perfect strategy.
EZStreets real question here is how did the player hit 3 Royals in 5848 hands. They went looking to DGS and DGS probably said while the probability of hitting 3 royals in 5848 is low considering the odds of one Royal are approximately 1 in 40,000 hands it is still possible. So they looked further and decided he played too many hands in too short of time. How do we know the player played 5848 hands in 326 minutes? How do we know that the DGS software is fair? How do we know it doesnt have bugs? Because they said so? Who audits the DGS random number generator and their software?
There are too many variables but I have to say this to EZSTREET you are getting an extra nail in your coffin with every post in this thread. It is in your best interest to pay this player to prove you arent afraid to pay winners.Comment -
18 hands a minute is certainly possible. I could play 12 hands a minute for four hours at a physical machine. With a mouse, it is much easier.Comment -
I agree...18 hands per minute is definately possible. Im amazed at how many hands in video poker and bj i can play when im "zoned in". The worst part of this (other than the fact that it looks like Powers is stiffing another player) is that these online casinos are designed to grind money from the player and I can only imagine how much these books make off these online casinos, its so disheartening when I player gets lucky and wins and then the book says "we arent going to pay". If this is the case, then every single player thats ever lost 5 cents with EZ in their casino should call in and get a refund of every last cent.
You cant just take money from the losers and not pay the winners...well unless your name is Alex PowersComment -
Ok, even better, maybe I am just handicapped. I have never seen my stats but I thought it took longer than 4 seconds to analyze 5 cards click them and then analyze the new hand.
I guess the real question would be if he played all 5848 hands with perfect strategy. If you are playing that fast you are going to screw up.Comment -
Agreed that if you play faster, the likelyhood that you will make a mistake or misclick is greater... The fact remains though that if a player happens to get lucky, why should that give the book the right to say "well if you won that much, you must have cheated so screw you, we're keeping your money". I'll reiterate...Take from the losers, pay the winners!!Comment -
18 hands/min on DGS software is certainly doable, the software is very fast. We all know this is an excuse not to pay.
Casinoclub did the same thing, not paying a VP jackpot for "bot use".
Isn't it wierd that you never hear of a complaint about a non-payment due to VP bot play for small amounts but only big ones...
And a VP bot doesn't give any player advantage or changes the payout of a VP game. He will only loose money faster than with manual playLast edited by Birre; 03-17-11, 10:36 PM.Comment -
Paying so many hands is possible. You can be pretty fast at this thing. What is not possible is to get so much money out of this rigged software. That is what's impossible here!Comment -
Why would the player have deposited $10,000 with them? Was it his first deposit, and was it only used on the casino? Was the $46K won in his only casino session, which also happened to be overnight for the book? If not, what are the circumstances of the particular winning session? I can see depositing $500 to $1,000 at a new book for a sweet bonus, but $10,000? A bit of context would add credibility. I usually side for the player, then realise later that I've been too naive.Comment -
EAsYTREETSPORTS.COM DOES NOT PAY PLAYERS
its been 3 weeks of testing my casino play and no results...I have not been paid one dime yet???????Comment -
Jacks or Better has a simple enough strategy that screwups are pretty rare. On some of my video poker training software I can achieve speeds close to what the OP has described at pretty close to perfect strategy. I'm not particularly fast and the training software I just used doesn't automatically hold paying hands for me so that slows me down, and I just averaged 17.33 hands/minute with no mistakes over 20 minutes, which is almost exactly the OP's rate. He played for a bit over 5 hours, not 20 minutes, but there are plenty of people with good stamina. I find it pretty incredible that there are internet poker players who can play 30 tables at once for a long period of time, I have trouble playing more than 10, but that doesn't mean such things aren't possible.Comment -
SBR sides with player in EZstreet casino dispute
Ok, so SBR has sided with the player in this 46k casino dispute and recommended that they pay the player. Now the only thing left is to see how Powers and his goons handle this. Will they become another Sportsbook.com or Beted? We should know soon....Comment -
I'm betting their C+ rating is going to drop.Comment -
i hit 3 royals at betjam in 6 hours one for 20 k one for 8 k and one for 2 k and i got paid without any question. now i didnt play that many hands but even with a bot it shouldnt matterComment -
Because you played less hands, that makes it even harder. There is a reason Betjam is an A+ book and Scotty is first class all the way. Difference between them and EZ is night and day but i guess we'll see how EZ handles this now that SBR (a nuetral 3rd party has told them to pay up).Comment -
I did say I was not to post again on this issue until it was resolved but I just want to add that all hands hours were played using perfect strategy and played so fast that there was no pause after the 2nd and 3rd royals, hands after the royals were even played at a speed of 2 seconds per hand. The client himself when asked did not know the cards that were dealt in the royals. I really don't know about anyone else, but if I were to hit a 20K hand, even if I was in the "zone" I would have at least paused to exhale, even if I did not call someone and tell them of the good fortune especially after the 3rd one.Comment -
EZ Street is not out to cheat any player no matter the size of their winnings, however we do not wish to be cheated either.Comment -
I dont know the case of this player but even if he was using a bot software that enabled him to play hands at a 100% perfect rate, the house still has the mathematical edge. Its the same as counting cards in blackjack.
If the house catches the player doing this, they have every right to boot them if they dont want their action. They have NO right, however, to no-pay the player and steal his winnings. Unless of course you live in Alex Powers world where paying big winners isnt in his vocabulary.
Im glad SBR (a completely nuetral 3rd party) sided with the player and told EZ to pay the man. Now, if Powers does decide to completely screw yet another player, rather than discriminating can we please rate them the same as sportsbook and beted. The precedent has already been set.Comment -
I'm sure that easystreet absolutely loves the quick losses by the player when the botplayer is losing hard and fast. Do they interrupt his session and shut him down? Not likely.
Also, Justin7 is right, these video poker players are a different breed, they get in a zone and are very robotlike and very fast.
Easy has no right to accuse, nor can they prove this player did anything wrong.
PAY HIM!
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Does anyone have a link to the cheating software cory used?Comment -
You all remember the BetEd. That book has made living from not paying out casino wins. Every times somebody wins in their casino , they accuse player in some kind of woo-do and refuse to pay him. Let's be honest- one can always find a reason for that. Just make your pick.
That is what crook books do- they accuse you in professional play, playing some kind of syndicate picks, hacking into casino software, using robots, being robot yourself.. list goes on and on. ES has a tough choice to make. They can keep flying straight with clean reputation or they can rob the player and join the BetEd, Sportsbook.com, BetUS and Oddsmaker in the long line of those who gladly accept players losses but not wins. To be or not to be- that is the question.Comment -
It all comes down to whether they want to run their company with honesty and integrity or if they want to join that long list of no pay, crooked books.
EZ decides to be honest and fair and pays the player +420
EZ decides to cheat and steal from another player -560
***Im booking all action on the dog***Comment -
Thanks for clearing that up MARVIN....
I had a feeling that pokerplayer was in the wrong about something and whatever he was mad about was just his fault. All the dude had to do was deposit $100 dollars, THATS ALL. Haha, pokerplayer pretty screwed up on your part, which I had a feeling all along.
The sad part is, even after you didn't deposit the 100 THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD, they still where nice enough to send you $500.....Comment -
I now feel bad that I made my first deposit here this morning
Pay the player. He did not cheat but ez did by stealing his money.Comment -
Whats done is done. Advice from one player to another...Just finish your rollover (if you have one) and just withdraw your funds and take your buniness to an A+ book. there are plenty to choose from. If you dont win too much, Im guessing you wont have a problem getting paid.Comment -
I am in this business. Have used DGS For years. I have had instances where players have won 20k playing online craps. I thought it was rigged. We called DGS(BRUCE) and we found out that there is no test for them to run if a guy is using a BOT. So there is NO test for EASYSTREET either. They are full of it. We also found out that the guy lost it all back(It will happen). The DGS software is legit. It is safe. And easystreet is just a lying stiff book. All of you should remove your money like poker player 22 said. No reason to play at a book that will not pay you if you win.
EZMARVIN.......your a liar and should quit your job and get one at a legit book that will not lie and steal when a player wins.
I test anyone to call Bruce over at DGS and I can guarantee you he will tell you that they are not supporting what ever easystreet is bullshitting here on this forum.Comment -
Given everything I've read, this case is clear cut. The Robot play does not give the player an advantage over the House, it merely speeds up play. While EZ apparently has a rule against use of such devices, it can not prove mechanical means were used. EZ can boot the suspected Bot player, but it must pay him his winnings. This is what an A or B Book would do.
EZ's decision will be a critical test for their operation. SBR has been generous in starting them with a C rating and then raising them to a C+. EZ is on their verge of becoming a B or better Book, but they must now do what high rated Books do in this situation. So what's it going to be EZ?Comment
