My BETPHOENIX ACCOUNT HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO

[Dark Horse]

I know. But, the point is still valid. Never hurts to ask. Though personally I'm too lazy to call unless it was a lot of money I'd just eat it.

Same here. Plus the odds can change during the 5 or 10 minute phone call.

[skrtelfan]

I once accidentally bet a parlay at the Greek when I meant to bet a teaser and they told me their policy was that they'd cancel a wager provided the line hadn't yet moved.

[warriorfan707]

Hey BP, you should throw all your points on a 6 teamer so you can get a free play from yourself

[KGambler]

There was a link between both accounts that originated from the 2+2 forum. Both players (unexpectedly) clicked on a tracking cookie that then allowed the same attacker to access both accounts. SBR has made 2+2 aware of malicious javascript posted on its forum before in a similar past dispute.

Lou, what was this all about? This seems like very specific information.

[biggamer3]

Richard- Pinny and Bookmaker have never displayed customer passwords in plaintext in the url for 5 months. You all did. Do you understand how bad of a security problem that is?

Wow that is a screw up of epic proportions.

[KGambler]

The quote is from a post on another site.

Was talking about this with a guy and he said he knows exactly how this happens.

He said affiliates can see the passwords.

Kgambler what site did you sign up through.

Thank you so much for posting this.

Like I said, my affiliate was some guy name "Alvin Ma" who I never heard of. BP has Asian American employees in California (for example, the Vietnamese dude who sends you $500 money orders when they used to provide payouts by "check".)

So.... I decided to google "Alvin Ma California" on a whim. There is a Vietnamese American named Alvin Ma who is a hacker and a criminal. He has been arrested twice for hacking and identity theft, and even went to prison for it in 2007.

He is out of prison. He is still living in California. He is still hustlin'.

This could be absolutely nothing, or it could be everything. It could certainly explain why BP chose to cover up the hacking and smeared my name. I asked BP who Alvin Ma was and how the hell he became my affiliate. They never answered.

If anyone has any information on Alvin Ma of California, an affiliate named Alvin Ma, or on BP employees in California, please email me at warbetp@yahoo.com

[KGambler]

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[BatemanPatrickl]

Really man get a life with this crap. You lost.

[Santo]

This latest development is at least kind of interesting. We have asked before who could possibly gain from somebody losing at blackjack or playing these parlays, given the hacker could never get paid, thus being malicious would be the only cause.

If there is an affiliate with access to the passwords, and that affiliate is on a % of losses, they are the one person who would stand to gain...

[acarmelo1]

This latest development is at least kind of interesting. We have asked before who could possibly gain from somebody losing at blackjack or playing these parlays, given the hacker could never get paid, thus being malicious would be the only cause.

If there is an affiliate with access to the passwords, and that affiliate is on a % of losses, they are the one person who would stand to gain...

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[Toit]

This latest development is at least kind of interesting. We have asked before who could possibly gain from somebody losing at blackjack or playing these parlays, given the hacker could never get paid, thus being malicious would be the only cause.

If there is an affiliate with access to the passwords, and that affiliate is on a % of losses, they are the one person who would stand to gain...

Good point.

[Chuck Sims]

Yes, very interesting.

A known hacker is listed as KGambler's affiliate. This hacker is also listed on at least one other Bet Phoenix account holder that got his account balance wiped out by a hacker.

Bet Phoenix needs to explain how Alvin Ma became KGambler's affiliate.

[lawsofpower48]

the question is did the affiliate get paid? because if in fact he got paid after kgambler lost the money, then something is fishy... if this was all haulted before the affiliate got paid, then its all pointless.

also at this point, bp said the ip originated from kgamblers computer? hows that possible.... whatever it is, at this point is all he say she say stuff, and im sure bp haulted the funds from being received by anyone

[KGambler]

Does anyone know if Richard Ng is from the San Francisco/Oakland area?

[KGambler]

Remember the guy who had $24,470 stolen from him when BP said they gave his "brother" the money at a Best Buy in California? He contacted me on another forum. Yes, I do believe his story now. He happens to be Vietnamese, so it's possible the same guy (Alvin Ma and friends) is responsible for that scam.

The criminal Alvin Ma would hack into people's paypal accounts and use their funds to buy an item on Craiglist (for example, a laptop). Then he would go to pick up the item, posing as the actual paypal account holder's "husband". Eventually a cop took the time to track him down and he and his brother went to jail. This sounds like a scam very close to what happened to the guy who lost $24,470.

Just to clear up some minutiae:

The criminal Alvin Ma may actually not be Vietnamese. He's probably Chinese American. He created a beauty pageant so that his girlfriend could win it (no joke). Every year they have a booth at the Vietnamese New Year celebration in San Fran. That's why I thought he was Vietnamese.

[KGambler]

In case anyone missed it, Alvin Ma is also Marauder's affiliate.

BetPhoenix will not tell us who this guy is or how the hell he became our affiliate. We both thought SBR should be our affiliate.

[lawsofpower48]

this is becoming more funny by the second... kgambler, you are looking for every little thing to try and pinpoint bp ...one accusation does not fall through, you look for another one... just please reread your posts.... dont get me wrong though you know i sided with you on this... but you are looking for things that are totally out of the blue now and accusing people you may think is involved? now you are attacking a "beauty pageant"? .....

[KGambler]

this is becoming more funny by the second... kgambler, you are looking for every little thing to try and pinpoint bp

First of all, look at it from my perspective. I KNOW with 100% certainty that my account was hacked. You can't know that, because you are not me. But I KNOW. So I also know that it is 99% that BP is just bald faced lying when they say only my IP address shows up. So when you say I am trying to "pinpoint bp", yes, I am trying to dig into why the hell they lied and smeared my name.

I was not the one who initially thought that my affiliate should be investigated. The whole time I thought SBR was my affiliate. It was BP who first thought it was worth investigating. This is an email I got from Lou. Marauders tells me he got the same email.

Mike,

BetPhoenix has stated that both your account and Marauders signed up through the same third party. While it’s clear that passwords were not secure in either case, this appears to be the common denominator in both cases. BetPhoenix hasn’t yet provided us with additional information on this third party.

Best regards,
Lou

...one accusation does not fall through, you look for another one... just please reread your posts.... dont get me wrong though you know i sided with you on this... but you are looking for things that are totally out of the blue now and accusing people you may think is involved? now you are attacking a "beauty pageant"? .....

I have not had any allegations fall through. This is the first time I have had even a clue as to what to investigate. BP's "investigation" was just a cover up, which is why they never provided any information to me or Marauders, why SBR now refuses to discuss the matter, why they won't discuss the claim of the 2+2 link, etc. Like I said, this could be nothing. But I am going to dig into it, and I need help from anyone who has solid info.

Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying it

[acarmelo1]

wow Kgambler is a private-eye. In a month you will see in the news.

Hacker/Scammer is arrested thanks local gambler

[Santo]

Though you both think you signed up through SBR, is it possible you accessed BP via another link before you did sign up? The cookie containing your referrer from the first session could be credited as your affiliate rather than the link you used when registering.

I suppose it's also possible the 2+2 link contained script that created a bunch of such cookies for several gambling sites.

[Dark Horse]

wow Kgambler is a private-eye. In a month you will see in the news.

Hacker/Scammer is arrested thanks local gambler

That's only the tip of the iceberg. The Chinese mob are shaking in their boots.

[KGambler]

Though you both think you signed up through SBR, is it possible you accessed BP via another link before you did sign up? The cookie containing your referrer from the first session could be credited as your affiliate rather than the link you used when registering.

I suppose it's also possible the 2+2 link contained script that created a bunch of such cookies for several gambling sites.

I am aware that cookies should be cleared before clicking on a banner ad in order to give the right site the referral. So I clear my cookies before clicking on banner ads when I intend to sign up for a poker room, sportsbook, etc. That's as far as I go though, and I am far from a computer expert.

Could it be possible this guy hacked BP and changed himself to be our affiliate??? Or he could have friends who work there do it for him... It still reeks of being an inside job to me.

I want to know from BP who Alvin Ma is and if he works for them. How did he become my affiliate? What was that story about the malicious link over at 2+2 all about?

The silence is deafening...

And remember, Marauders is also a victim and is also being ignored.

[lawsofpower48]

but i thought bp said you DIDNT get hacked?...

[KGambler]

but i thought bp said you DIDNT get hacked?...

Yeah, but that was AFTER they said I DID get hacked.

"There was a link between both accounts that originated from the 2+2 forum. Both players (unexpectedly) clicked on a tracking cookie that then allowed the same attacker to access both accounts. SBR has made 2+2 aware of malicious javascript posted on its forum before in a similar past dispute."

[Santo]

Personally I am inclined to believe it wasn't an inside job, and that BP have acted in good faith, given their past actions in refunding other cases etc.

It is more likely to me that if your cases have merit this affiliate angle is key. The question is what information they have access to, for example if they can see passwords, can they see IP addresses? If so it would be an easy job to mask yours and place the bets.

A lot of the problems in this thread I think stem from a misuse of the word 'hacked' - an IT term which the kind of tracking cookie SBR alluded to from 2+2 would not class as. Hacking would be gaining access to a secure BP database and changing information. As I said before you guys seem to be using it as a colloquialism for 'something technical I don't understand', which just causes miscommunication.

[lawsofpower48]

the question is , did the affiliate get paid.... if the affiliate was paid, then bp is covering something up...but if bp haulted the funds from your account due to an investigation FROM THE START, then no one has the money either then bp themselves.... all this talk about security and hackers etc.... if bp proved that this was a hacked job, i think they would refund the money already, but they are saying its not a hacked job and that it came from kgamblers ip and that he logged in.... so this is just a loop around over and over

[trixtrix]

drama bomb?

[TobiasFunke]

Richard- Pinny and Bookmaker have never displayed customer passwords in plaintext in the url for 5 months. You all did. Do you understand how bad of a security problem that is?

[acarmelo1]

betpheonix is scared now with this agent thing

[philswin]

Better terminology would be his account was "compromised" not "hacked"

[KGambler]

Personally I am inclined to believe it wasn't an inside job, and that BP have acted in good faith, given their past actions in refunding other cases etc.

I can not say that BP has acted in good faith because they have not provided me with one shred of information. I have asked for IP logs. I have asked for the MAC addresses of the computers used to log in. I have asked who Alvin Ma is and how he became my affiliate. Do you see what I am saying? They have not told me a single thing. They have refused to provide any data at all. They refused to answer my emails or take my calls. Their "investigation" always seemed like a stalling tactic and cover up to me.

I'm guessing Marauders must feel the same way. They won't tell him anything either.

A lot of the problems in this thread I think stem from a misuse of the word 'hacked' - an IT term which the kind of tracking cookie SBR alluded to from 2+2 would not class as. Hacking would be gaining access to a secure BP database and changing information. As I said before you guys seem to be using it as a colloquialism for 'something technical I don't understand', which just causes miscommunication.

OK, thanks. I have indeed been using it as a term to mean someone broke into my account without my knowledge.

One theory which seems pretty reasonable is that BP's live chat is not secure. The people who have been victims asked for cashouts shortly before getting hacked. And of course, the fact that BP put the password in the URL of each customer when they logged in is a severe security weakness which could easily be exploited (based on what I am told).

And then of course you have the fact that all of their employees can see every customers' password...

[KGambler]

Wilheim over at therx has moved my thread there to something called the "Rubber Room" and has also banned me from posting. I tried to post and it said my post was pending moderator review.

Although EOG is supposedly owned or partially owned by BP, they have let me post there freely.

Covers deleted my post until they have a chance to speak to me by phone. That should happen today or early next week.

[acarmelo1]

you are going to speak with over the phone :O

[BatemanPatrickl]

you are going to speak with over the phone :O

What is your interest in this situation? Seems like you enjoy stirring the pot.

[BigdaddyQH]

Will this ever end? This is really getting out of hand. Bottom line boys and girls: You have the option of believeing KG and withdrawing your funds, or believeing BP and continuing to do business with them.