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  • Doug tushyterror
    SBR MVP
    • 07-03-12
    • 4172

    #141
    Originally posted by Eddy Munny
    Well I mean if Stephon Allstar says you sound weird, it's worth investigating. You might actually sound weird, or worse yet, be weird. I can't speak to Stephon Allstar's intuitive faculties but he has a net worth of 230K so it's not like he's just whistlin' dixie here. He's currently being stonewalled by one of the giants in the offshore industry.
    Not to get off the weird tangent, but do you find it weird that he posted what seems to be his entire chat log, but nary 1 pic of said 230k balance? (might've been more helpful for young Mr. Alston to actually provide documentation regarding wagering/ balance transactions before they locked his account essentially dumping all that data into a "virtual" shredder).
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    • StephonAllstar
      SBR Rookie
      • 07-13-24
      • 49

      #142
      Originally posted by Optional
      SBR cannot formally assist with mediation for offshore bookmakers anymore, but if you check your PM inbox I will send you some suggestions and a contact to try.
      Thank you I just saw them today but already emailed him and also filed a complaint with osga. Thank you
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      • StephonAllstar
        SBR Rookie
        • 07-13-24
        • 49

        #143
        Originally posted by Doug tushyterror
        Not to get off the weird tangent, but do you find it weird that he posted what seems to be his entire chat log, but nary 1 pic of said 230k balance? (might've been more helpful for young Mr. Alston to actually provide documentation regarding wagering/ balance transactions before they locked his account essentially dumping all that data into a "virtual" shredder).
        Its kinda hard to do that when the account is disabled and i cant log in
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        • Doug tushyterror
          SBR MVP
          • 07-03-12
          • 4172

          #144
          Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23
          Mr. Transparent even more than I lol love this dude. 💯
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          • Doug tushyterror
            SBR MVP
            • 07-03-12
            • 4172

            #145
            Originally posted by StephonAllstar
            Its kinda hard to do that when the account is disabled and i cant log in
            Look Stephon, all jokes aside & I hope this works out for you but when you have a sizable balance, it's in your best interest to screenshot every bet & don't delete it even after it posts but only when you're getting consistently paid out. That's the only proof you have when you're dealing with an unregulated offshore book regardless of their reputation. (I played at BM for several years without an issue until NY regulated sports betting in 2022). Never ran up a balance as high as yours so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt & take you at face value.
            * Even at DraftKings, there's no way I'm not screenshotting a bet like this (with the reference #) just in case there are any irregularities in terms of it being graded a winner & reflected in my balance. Short story longer, screenshot everything pertinent.

            Last edited by Doug tushyterror; 07-23-24, 09:59 PM.
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            • StephonAllstar
              SBR Rookie
              • 07-13-24
              • 49

              #146
              Originally posted by Doug tushyterror
              Look Stephon, all jokes aside & I hope this works out for you but when you have a sizable balance, it's in your best interest to screenshot every bet & don't delete it even after it posts but only when you're getting consistently paid out. That's the only proof you have when you're dealing with an unregulated offshore book regardless of their reputation. (I played at BM for several years without an issue until NY regulated sports betting in 2022). Never ran up a balance as high as yours so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt & take you at face value.
              * Even at DraftKings, there's no way I'm not screenshotting a bet like this (with the reference #) just in case there are any irregularities in terms of it being graded a winner & reflected in my balance. Short story longer, screenshot everything pertinent.

              Yeah that makes sense man I wish i woulda now just didnt think to at the time. Im def not lying about the balance and will post it if i ever get access to it again. I did post all the emails and does it seem right to you that they ask for video calls and i say ok and then they never do it? Why they asking in the first place
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              • StephonAllstar
                SBR Rookie
                • 07-13-24
                • 49

                #147
                I did everything they asked besides showing a utility bill of my text now number. Its like they are cherry pickin the one thing that i cant provide and focusing on that and ignoring everything else. I cant be the only person who signs up for gambling sites without their real number? And even so, that justifies 3 weeks of account disabled and poor communication? It aint making sense
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                • Doug tushyterror
                  SBR MVP
                  • 07-03-12
                  • 4172

                  #148
                  Originally posted by StephonAllstar
                  Yeah that makes sense man I wish i woulda now just didnt think to at the time. Im def not lying about the balance and will post it if i ever get access to it again. I did post all the emails and does it seem right to you that they ask for video calls and i say ok and then they never do it? Why they asking in the first place
                  This would've never happened 3 yrs ago before sports betting became legal in 38 states. That's severely cutting into their profit margin so now what was a reputable book like BM is going the way of mybookie.ag with this shady shit. Not to beat a dead horse, but the one thing they're worried about is bad publicity on social media. The screenshots that I mentioned earlier might not do you any good putting them on blast here, but they'd get the job done if you posted them in various gambling spaces like gambling Twitter, sportsbook discord & gambling reddit. As for all these arbitrary demands they're making on you out the blue, it's nothing but a stall tactic to make you lose hope relying on your frustration. With that said, keep at it & don't give them the satisfaction of closing your account without at least a somewhat reasonable explanation on their part which they won't have.
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                  • DonnieBrasco23
                    Benched
                    • 11-06-23
                    • 1137

                    #149
                    All joking aside this guy seems pretty credible, I hope he gets his money this is a lot of coin we are talking about here for this young man.
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                    • StephonAllstar
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 07-13-24
                      • 49

                      #150
                      Alright guys so I went to the open tabs on my phone and had like 100 tabs open and on one of them before i click the tab you can see my balance. First pic is how it looks from the tabs screen and second is it zoomed in



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                      • StephonAllstar
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 07-13-24
                        • 49

                        #151
                        I think it really is 225k because that was before i did another 25k payout
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                        • StephonAllstar
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 07-13-24
                          • 49

                          #152
                          [QUOTE=Optional;31325106]SBR cannot formally assist with mediation for offshore bookmakers anymore, but if you check your PM inbox I will send you some suggestions and a contact to try.[/QUOT


                          can you reach out to that contact and see if you can get things moving? I can tip for your help
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                          • StephonAllstar
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 07-13-24
                            • 49

                            #153
                            I just called OSGA and left a voicemail for Mr Quickly is who the lady said to address it to. I also emailed them
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                            • DonnieBrasco23
                              Benched
                              • 11-06-23
                              • 1137

                              #154
                              That was not very bright to share your private PIN number to the internet along with your account number. I understand you were trying to show us your balance, those other two items should’ve been blacked out.
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                              • Doug tushyterror
                                SBR MVP
                                • 07-03-12
                                • 4172

                                #155
                                Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23
                                That was not very bright to share your private PIN number to the internet along with your account number. I understand you were trying to show us your balance, those other two items should’ve been blacked out.
                                I could delete if I'm over stepping but this is the kind of pressure to put on them to hopefully do the right thing.

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                                • StephonAllstar
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 07-13-24
                                  • 49

                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by Doug tushyterror
                                  I could delete if I'm over stepping but this is the kind of pressure to put on them to hopefully do the right thing.

                                  Thank you so much bruh I thought you was just a troll after your first reply but you a good dude lol I appreciate it so much
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                                  • Doug tushyterror
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 07-03-12
                                    • 4172

                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by StephonAllstar
                                    Thank you so much bruh I thought you was just a troll after your first reply but you a good dude lol I appreciate it so much
                                    All good brudda..thought you were a scammer to respond like that. Obviously not the case, so hopefully not just me but everyone on here has your back.
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                                    • Eddy Munny
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 08-13-13
                                      • 15767

                                      #158
                                      Tushy, what is going to be your course of action if you get severely limited or dropped by the domestic books?

                                      If the offshores are resorting to bush league tactics then that's going to put the pinch on players who swing big and win.
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                                      • StephonAllstar
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 07-13-24
                                        • 49

                                        #159

                                        If they send 230k to my bank account im loosing like 60k in taxes. Im gonna tell them I want it in bitcoin which is how i deposited. If they wanna make sure its me then send a small amount and then the rest in btc. But this is great news nonetheless I bet they was feelin that sqeeze
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                                        • Pragmatic
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 06-20-24
                                          • 38

                                          #160
                                          Congrats on the progress. Well, I hope BM's request for banking information is progress, and not a delay tactic.

                                          Not sure how much leverage you have on the Payment method. As far as the book is concerned, $25k is $25k --- they're not responsible for people paying (or not paying) tax.

                                          And I've done it all since 2019 -- paid tax, received a 1099-K, a 1099-MISC, etc. It is a pain in the butt. But you're "supposed" to file & report anyways.
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                                          • StephonAllstar
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 07-13-24
                                            • 49

                                            #161


                                            Also yes I been getting everyones PM it just wont let me send until i make 40 posts but thanks everyone for helping
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                                            • Pragmatic
                                              SBR Rookie
                                              • 06-20-24
                                              • 38

                                              #162
                                              Just FYI, you can off-set Gambling Income with Gambling Loss. There are a few steps involved (and you need to Itemize) -- but if your Net Win on the year is $50k (for example), you'd only pay tax on the $50k.
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                                              • StephonAllstar
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 07-13-24
                                                • 49

                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by Pragmatic
                                                Just FYI, you can off-set Gambling Income with Gambling Loss. There are a few steps involved (and you need to Itemize) -- but if your Net Win on the year is $50k (for example), you'd only pay tax on the $50k.
                                                My net win is a lot and if i keep it in btc I can drip it into my account as needed or even sell it for cash. Not to mention all the other issues that 25k wire per week will cause with my bank asking questions. If they wanna make sure its me then they dont gotta send the whole thing, thats a very reasonable compromise
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                                                • 2Sweeet
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 08-31-22
                                                  • 1204

                                                  #164
                                                  This kid isn't lying. I got one guy here paid from Betus.. I don't step on anyone's feet at the forums. This is a bad look for Bookmaker. If you want to pm me I know a few ppl there I can try to help. You should be able to get everything in BTC
                                                  Last edited by 2Sweeet; 07-25-24, 02:22 AM.
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                                                  • StephonAllstar
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 07-13-24
                                                    • 49

                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by 2Sweeet
                                                    This kid isn't lying. I got one guy here paid from Betus.. I don't step on anyone's feet at the forums. This is a bad look for Bookmaker. If you want to pm me I know a few ppl there I can try to help. You should be able to get everything in BTC
                                                    I cant PM until Im at 40 posts. Hey mods is it ok if I just do 20 posts real quick lol or maybe you can over ride it?
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                                                    • StephonAllstar
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 07-13-24
                                                      • 49

                                                      #166
                                                      Originally posted by 2Sweeet
                                                      This kid isn't lying. I got one guy here paid from Betus.. I don't step on anyone's feet at the forums. This is a bad look for Bookmaker. If you want to pm me I know a few ppl there I can try to help. You should be able to get everything in BTC
                                                      But you can PM me. I would love some more help thanks
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                                                      • 70'sMan
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 02-12-12
                                                        • 744

                                                        #167
                                                        Not sure it is a good idea to raise hell to get paid, give that entity all of your personal details, and then state you want to avoid paying your taxes.

                                                        I would strongly suggest that if you get paid consider yourself lucky and pay your taxes. You are dealing with a different type of entity here who has no problem morally with destroying you.
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                                                        • DonnieBrasco23
                                                          Benched
                                                          • 11-06-23
                                                          • 1137

                                                          #168
                                                          Originally posted by 70'sMan
                                                          Not sure it is a good idea to raise hell to get paid, give that entity all of your personal details, and then state you want to avoid paying your taxes.

                                                          I would strongly suggest that if you get paid consider yourself lucky and pay your taxes. You are dealing with a different type of entity here who has no problem morally with destroying you.
                                                          I would completely disagree with that notion. After a week of WagerWeb attempting to stiff me nearly 40K from my parlay win of 89K. I hit the boards hard and their customer service number to no end demanding they pay me in full or this decision will cost them a hell of a lot more money than what they are skimming off me. I personally like this approach better from experience, but you can assume what may be better hypothetically.
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                                                          • Optional
                                                            Administrator
                                                            • 06-10-10
                                                            • 61373

                                                            #169
                                                            Originally posted by 2Sweeet
                                                            This kid isn't lying. I got one guy here paid from Betus.. I don't step on anyone's feet at the forums. This is a bad look for Bookmaker. If you want to pm me I know a few ppl there I can try to help. You should be able to get everything in BTC
                                                            How do you know?

                                                            We have seen several new posters over recent months making a concerted effort to buy lots of BM/JB accounts and signup gnomes. Way more intense about it than I have seen before.

                                                            And suddenly Bookmaker is nailing a bunch of people.


                                                            The truth is out there, but I am not sure that you know what it is this time.

                                                            Be careful about who you rattle cages for, for your own sake.
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                                                            • Pragmatic
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 06-20-24
                                                              • 38

                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23
                                                              I would completely disagree with that notion. After a week of WagerWeb attempting to stiff me nearly 40K from my parlay win of 89K. I hit the boards hard and their customer service number to no end demanding they pay me in full or this decision will cost them a hell of a lot more money than what they are skimming off me. I personally like this approach better from experience, but you can assume what may be better hypothetically.
                                                              Not sure I follow. As of now, Bookmaker has agreed to pay (under their standard Weekly/Monthly limits). How is that the same as a book trying to stiff you 40k?
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                                                              • Optional
                                                                Administrator
                                                                • 06-10-10
                                                                • 61373

                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by DonnieBrasco23

                                                                I would completely disagree with that notion. After a week of WagerWeb attempting to stiff me nearly 40K from my parlay win of 89K. I hit the boards hard and their customer service number to no end demanding they pay me in full or this decision will cost them a hell of a lot more money than what they are skimming off me. I personally like this approach better from experience, but you can assume what may be better hypothetically.
                                                                They needed to be blasted as it was clear they were wrong, they knew they were wrong, but were still refusing to do the right thing anyway.

                                                                It's definitely not always the right course of action. And in some cases it ruins any chance of reasonable negotiation.

                                                                A last resort, when it's clear, is my opinion.
                                                                Last edited by Optional; 07-25-24, 11:02 AM.
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                                                                • Optional
                                                                  Administrator
                                                                  • 06-10-10
                                                                  • 61373

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by StephonAllstar
                                                                  If they send 230k to my bank account im loosing like 60k in taxes. Im gonna tell them I want it in bitcoin which is how i deposited. If they wanna make sure its me then send a small amount and then the rest in btc. But this is great news nonetheless I bet they was feelin that sqeeze
                                                                  They are not convinced it is you, or not convinced that you are the intended final recipient of the funds.

                                                                  Asking, demanding or threatening anything at this point is unlikely to help. Bookmaker hold licenses in jurisdictions that impose proper KYC guidelines on them. The more noise you make about it, the less likely the KYC people will be to overlook anything. As they might end up questioned about it.



                                                                  I think you are stuck with having to take at least a few payments this way.

                                                                  Once those have been processed I suggest you go back to them again and ask for the change to Bitcoin, after they can show that a significant amount of money has gone to an actual bank account in the right name.
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                                                                  • JAKEPEAVY21
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 03-11-11
                                                                    • 29267

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Hopefully you get paid, Stephon..
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                                                                    • DonnieBrasco23
                                                                      Benched
                                                                      • 11-06-23
                                                                      • 1137

                                                                      #174
                                                                      Originally posted by Pragmatic
                                                                      Not sure I follow. As of now, Bookmaker has agreed to pay (under their standard Weekly/Monthly limits). How is that the same as a book trying to stiff you 40k?
                                                                      As of now ???? What about before … withholding money from the customer was ultimately my point follow that.
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                                                                      • 70'sMan
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 02-12-12
                                                                        • 744

                                                                        #175
                                                                        Originally posted by Optional
                                                                        They are not convinced it is you, or not convinced that you are the intended final recipient of the funds.

                                                                        Asking, demanding or threatening anything at this point is unlikely to help. Bookmaker hold licenses in jurisdictions that impose proper KYC guidelines on them. The more noise you make about it, the less likely the KYC people will be to overlook anything. As they might end up questioned about it.



                                                                        I think you are stuck with having to take at least a few payments this way.

                                                                        Once those have been processed I suggest you go back to them again and ask for the change to Bitcoin, after they can show that a significant amount of money has gone to an actual bank account in the right name.
                                                                        Not sure you follow what I am saying. I am not arguing against blasting BM publicly nor against insisting to be paid in BTC. What I am saying is that you should never admit publicly that you intend to break the law. Especially when the entity you are blasting is likely reading this statement and has enough of your personal information to make an anonymous complaint to one of the most viscous enforcement agencies in the country.
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