All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

[70'sMan]

Last payout with them was about 8 months ago. No issues then. However I do not believe Bianca works there anymore and she was my go to person in customer service.

[Barrakuda]

No issues with two quick deposits, but I have not tried a payout yet.

[Moneygreen]

I was back using them a month ago as I was on vacation in betting for a long time (since pandemic) I deposit many times recently and withdraw coupled of times and seems nothing change since I used them ever since. Though you experienced like that, were they be able to add your deposit and withdrawals successfully? IF Yes, they still reliable for me. At least they never had any false payment after those waiting game..
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[infotimbo]

I just checked, and there are "Shots on Target" markets available for the Premier League matches. The market rules for those clearly say that OPTA will be used - so I guess it's safe to say that the rules were the same for Nations League.

[dxp]

normally it shouldn't matter, as far as I can see, based on the rules:

■ Markets will be settled as set out in the Market Information and/or the Specific Sports Rules.
■ Where the Market Information or Specific Sports Rules do not specify how and on what basis a market will be settled, markets will be settled on the official result of the relevant governing body regardless of any subsequent disqualification or amendment to the result (except if an amendment is announced within 24 hours of the initial settlement of the relevant market in order to correct an error in reporting the result).

Market information for past events aren't visable on the website anymore, but unless it specified that a site like ESPN or so will be used, it should be UEFA which counts.

Edit: but according to this, they use a service called "Opta" to settle "Shots on Target" bets. So if this is also what it said in the market information, it's their result which counts

https://support.betfair.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6900/

and they seem to list 7 shots on target only

https://optaplayerstats.statsperform.../match-summary

good find. i learned a while ago that alot of books have their official random scorer they like to go to.. and they do not care what, or how many places, you present to them. once i saw the first 3 boxes with 7 shots total, i knew whatever scorer they were using had 7 as well.

[Optional]

Hi
on June 12th, 2022 I placed 3 bets for the football match France-Croatia all of them for TOTAL SHOTS ON TARGET will be 8 or MORE.
Above are all the bet IDs


Bet ID: 77366814 | Placed: 12-06 2022 21:04

Bet ID: 77367854 | Placed: 12-06 2022 21:17

Bet ID: 77367074 | Placed: 12-06 2022 21:07



Sadly I have noticed that ORBIT have considered all these three bets as lost. However in the official statistics of UEFA's webpage,as you can see in the attached link, the total shots on target were exactly 8.






https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleag...ia/statistics/



PS: I am playing at Orbit via BetInAsia. I contacted with them and they just said that they cannot do anything to help me, since this is a decision of the bookies, which means that every single scam bookie can manipulate the official statistics of a game in his favour and against the player...

I would appreciate any kind of help. Thanks

I think most brokers like Betinasia warn that they will not argue bet settlements for you.

Just go to Betfair support and ask them to explain why the official UEFA site stats are not being honored and go from there.


What I would do is check the time of the Shot EUFA list and Opta do not. Then watch the video at that time and work out who is correct before deciding the next step.

if Opta have it wrong, then you will need to contact them to correct the data. No one else will do anything unless they do as these bets are settled based on the source data, not reality.

[infotimbo]

from a quick look, i see skysports and sofascore have the total chances at 4 & 3 for 7 total. espn also has it at 4 & 3. so based off that, it seems the stats you are looking at are incorrect.

normally it shouldn't matter, as far as I can see, based on the rules:

■ Markets will be settled as set out in the Market Information and/or the Specific Sports Rules.
■ Where the Market Information or Specific Sports Rules do not specify how and on what basis a market will be settled, markets will be settled on the official result of the relevant governing body regardless of any subsequent disqualification or amendment to the result (except if an amendment is announced within 24 hours of the initial settlement of the relevant market in order to correct an error in reporting the result).

Market information for past events aren't visable on the website anymore, but unless it specified that a site like ESPN or so will be used, it should be UEFA which counts.

Edit: but according to this, they use a service called "Opta" to settle "Shots on Target" bets. So if this is also what it said in the market information, it's their result which counts

https://support.betfair.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6900/

and they seem to list 7 shots on target only

https://optaplayerstats.statsperform.com/en_GB/soccer/uefa-nations-league-2022-2023/1nbpokgvv3q57wwkp64kuod1w/match/france-vs-croatia/eqbkkub1g384o1d52apqluot0/match-summary

[dxp]

from a quick look, i see skysports and sofascore have the total chances at 4 & 3 for 7 total. espn also has it at 4 & 3. so based off that, it seems the stats you are looking at are incorrect.

[yellowstorm21]

orbit stole my winnings

Hi
on June 12th, 2022 I placed 3 bets for the football match France-Croatia all of them for TOTAL SHOTS ON TARGET will be 8 or MORE.
Above are all the bet IDs


Bet ID: 77366814 | Placed: 12-06 2022 21:04

Bet ID: 77367854 | Placed: 12-06 2022 21:17

Bet ID: 77367074 | Placed: 12-06 2022 21:07



Sadly I have noticed that ORBIT have considered all these three bets as lost. However in the official statistics of UEFA's webpage,as you can see in the attached link, the total shots on target were exactly 8.






https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleag...ia/statistics/



PS: I am playing at Orbit via BetInAsia. I contacted with them and they just said that they cannot do anything to help me, since this is a decision of the bookies, which means that every single scam bookie can manipulate the official statistics of a game in his favour and against the player...

I would appreciate any kind of help. Thanks

[WinDove]

You should be able if you use a different agent, and maybe a different email as well.
After agents/broker exist just for that reason.

[Optional]

I"ve never heard of East Bridge. Does anybody have any experience with them?

Also a question for Optional: if I was betting into Pinnacle via 2 different brokers, is that considered multi-accounting?

No, that's fine.

[thirteens013]

I have been using odsy88 they are an agent for Orbit Exchange which is a betfair clone. So for decent customer service. They only take bitcoin. Havent had a big withdrawl yet but i think it will be ok based on reviews here.

Have you had a big withdrawal yet? If so how did it go? KYC request? Did they eventually pay?

[thirteens013]

I've been using this betting agent for quite a while, but recently I've been getting worried about using this agent, they have become extremely unreliable - here are some examples from my own recent experience with them:

• They tell you the relevant person in charge of your deposit is on a break so they will process it several hours later (after you've sent the crypto to them).
• On so many occasions, if you wish to deposit or withdraw with them they will claim they have technical issues with their bank/blockchain, it happened simply so many times, I haven't had one single experience recently where things went smoothly with these guys - always, always having problems.
• They require you to receive a SMS to approve a withdrawal - last time I did it I've never received it - eventually they sent me the code via WhatsApp but I had to wait quite a while to get it done - and even then the withdrawal wasn't processed immediately but they told me they would inform me via email once it's done (it was done eventually but nothing felt like things are going smooth with them).

On the plus side, they barely charge you any commissions (i.e. in comparison to Bet-IBC they are far better) however I am not sure what is so wrong with their operations recently, so I'm creating this thread in order to share my experience and raise awareness.

Have you heard of or seen an instance where they suddenly ask for KYC docs after a good winning streak? If everything is legit, will they pay or find some excuse to get out of paying?

[turk0011]

My OrbitX account was permanently closed by the Upline.
Asianconnect stated they were not given any specific reason
for the closure.

Would I be able to open another OrbitX account at another
Agent or is this a waste of time and am I permanently black listed?

Are there any other options for using Betfair White Labels?

Betfair itself is restricted in my region.
PIWI Exchange is also restricted in my region.

Any advice or suggestions would be highly appreciated.

Dude piwi was already shut down months ago. No exchange service. jjgold piwiden had already told us to stay away.

I haven't seen stock market service like a man, there is always a problem.

[jjgold]

Waste of time

Orbit basically a scam looking for suckers

[BLACKSHEEP,4]

OrbitX Account Permanently Closed By Upline

My OrbitX account was permanently closed by the Upline.
Asianconnect stated they were not given any specific reason
for the closure.

Would I be able to open another OrbitX account at another
Agent or is this a waste of time and am I permanently black listed?

Are there any other options for using Betfair White Labels?

Betfair itself is restricted in my region.
PIWI Exchange is also restricted in my region.

Any advice or suggestions would be highly appreciated.

[turk0011]

Thanks for your feedback.

[jjgold]

The only really reputable broker services are AsianOdds, BetInAsia and Sportsmarket

[bookie]

Thanks for explaining what your experience there has been like. Always good to pool information about these necessary but sketchy brokerage services.

[arie1985]

Betting Agent - Odsy88.com - Sport Odyssey - Paying out but extremely unreliable

I've been using this betting agent for quite a while, but recently I've been getting worried about using this agent, they have become extremely unreliable - here are some examples from my own recent experience with them:

• They tell you the relevant person in charge of your deposit is on a break so they will process it several hours later (after you've sent the crypto to them).
• On so many occasions, if you wish to deposit or withdraw with them they will claim they have technical issues with their bank/blockchain, it happened simply so many times, I haven't had one single experience recently where things went smoothly with these guys - always, always having problems.
• They require you to receive a SMS to approve a withdrawal - last time I did it I've never received it - eventually they sent me the code via WhatsApp but I had to wait quite a while to get it done - and even then the withdrawal wasn't processed immediately but they told me they would inform me via email once it's done (it was done eventually but nothing felt like things are going smooth with them).

On the plus side, they barely charge you any commissions (i.e. in comparison to Bet-IBC they are far better) however I am not sure what is so wrong with their operations recently, so I'm creating this thread in order to share my experience and raise awareness.

[Optional]

Hi,

to anyone interested, I can say with great relief I received my money today.

Great news

[jjgold]

Asian Odds got rid of piwi

That’s a major warning sign

No reputable broker carries them

[kotrny1]

Hi,

to anyone interested, I can say with great relief I received my money today.

[kotrny1]

Hi, so still no progress. Betfair, like I said seems unwilling to speak to me.

AC customer support willing to answer my emails, answer still the same "be patient, we will process your bets, dont know when, up to our upline".

Yup, shitty situation.

[turk0011]

Well I contacted Betfair help on twitter, unfortunately I dont know my account name, as I cant access it anymore, perhaps they could recognise me by transactions, which I can still access.

They told me, unsurprisingly, to contact Asianconnect. Ah well

If there is any progress, write here.

[kotrny1]

Well I contacted Betfair help on twitter, unfortunately I dont know my account name, as I cant access it anymore, perhaps they could recognise me by transactions, which I can still access.


They told me, unsurprisingly, to contact Asianconnect. Ah well

[Optional]

How is Betfair relevant here specifically? You think I can simply write Betfair that I had account on Piwi247 exchange under this email and Agent (Asianconnect) is withholding my money with no access to account now?

If your bets were on the exchange and not at Pinny you can and they will speak to you. But you'll probably need the exchange sub account number used for your bets.

Asian Connect have not left players shorted when they have lost other book accounts in the past, so hopefully they will be good to their word again now.

[kotrny1]

How is Betfair relevant here specifically? You think I can simply write Betfair that I had account on Piwi247 exchange under this email and Agent (Asianconnect) is withholding my money with no access to account now?

[Optional]

Thank you. Today they emailed me again asking for patience and "be confident your bets will be processed (aka voided and I get my 10 000 € back), it just takes time". I assume they have some liquidity issue and want to pay me, but cant afford to do so currently.

Very frustrating experience indeed.

I hope that they are good to their word.

If I was you I might try asking Betfair directly what they think about the delay at this point.

[kotrny1]

Thank you. Today they emailed me again asking for patience and "be confident your bets will be processed (aka voided and I get my 10 000 € back), it just takes time". I assume they have some liquidity issue and want to pay me, but cant afford to do so currently.

Very frustrating experience indeed.

I hope your problem is solved. The amount is a substantial amount. They may have an original betfair account. Some of the bets we place may be transmitted from these accounts. Betfair may also have closed this account.

[turk0011]

Well I agree, if players get paid, its not such a big issue. However, thats currently not the case.

I do have 10 000 EUR locked there for past five weeks. Yesterday, bit of evolution
- they wrote me Piwi247 Exchange will never reopen
- they admitted I have the money in unsettled bets there (tbh they would now be settled and I won, but ok) and in theory will return me the money. However complete refusal on their side to give out any timeline, when I may see my money, instead asking for my patience. Note I already wait over five weeks with account under maintenance.

Very fishy indeed.

I hope your problem is solved. The amount is a substantial amount. They may have an original betfair account. Some of the bets we place may be transmitted from these accounts. Betfair may also have closed this account.

[kotrny1]

Well I agree, if players get paid, its not such a big issue. However, thats currently not the case.

I do have 10 000 EUR locked there for past five weeks. Yesterday, bit of evolution
- they wrote me Piwi247 Exchange will never reopen
- they admitted I have the money in unsettled bets there (tbh they would now be settled and I won, but ok) and in theory will return me the money. However complete refusal on their side to give out any timeline, when I may see my money, instead asking for my patience. Note I already wait over five weeks with account under maintenance.

Very fishy indeed.

[Optional]

These Betfair clone sites come and go. As long as everyone gets paid no biggie.

[Alfie White]

Since they claimed they have been powered by Betfair, it can easily happen that Betfair pulled the plug on them.

[kursonik]

A very strange maintenance break. I have already withdrawn my money.