All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

[mimika]

Exactly, I just forgot to mention that when I entered the OVER goals market and made a profit, they promptly sent me the start and end time of the VAR technology as well as the time of my entry into the trade. However, when I sent them the bet ID for my entry into the UNDER goals market in exactly the same situation, I never received a response or the time, which clearly shows the kind of relationship they have with players and how much of a scam it really is. Once I learned to avoid their traps and potential situations that were bad for me and my money, and when I stopped giving them opportunities to steal from me and started making serious profits, they immediately restricted my liquidity, which clearly shows that their agents are playing against the players. And this is their response to my question about the liquidity restriction; Thank you for reaching out to us.

-Kindly note that we have thoroughly optimized the liquidity for your account, taking into account your unique betting patterns, as well as the potential for adjustments made on the platform to be revisited or modified in the future.

The account settings are configured according to a sophisticated system designed to promote a seamless and efficient betting experience for all platform users. This system takes into account various factors, such as individual betting patterns and prevailing market conditions, with the goal of ensuring a smooth and enjoyable experience for each customer.

If we can assist with anything else related to this matter or any else, let us know.

We appreciate your understanding on this matter.
Kind regards,

And they present it all as if it's for my own good, claiming they care about every player, blah blah blah... But when I pointed out that this isn't true, that I would actually benefit from higher liquidity, and that they need to listen to the feedback players personally send them, not some supposedly sophisticated system, hahahahaha, as soon as I mentioned that this was due to my profits and that I know their agents are using their own money against the players, they went silent and stopped responding. I don't know what else to add, but it's clear to me what they're up to, and people should start speaking out more and writing about them as brokers to show what kind of fraudulent activities they're involved in and the ways BETINASIA tries to make fools out of players.

[Optional]

Betinasia is definitely a scam. I will provide a few examples of what happened to me and their responses to my complaints.
A match was ongoing, and there was a situation in the penalty area at 16 meters. The game continued, and I entered the under-goals market. After 30 seconds, the referee was signaled from the VAR room, and a review of the disputed situation began. I repeat, I entered the market after the disputed situation, which led to the awarding of a penalty. A goal was scored, and I ended up with a loss. I wrote to them and explained that I was in a suspended market while the VAR review was taking place, and that my bet should be voided because the VAR process begins from the moment of the disputed situation. However, they responded that this was not the case and that my bet was placed correctly.
Following this, I did the same in another match since I have a fast stream for watching games. After a suspicious situation in the penalty area, I entered the over-goals market, where a penalty was again awarded and a goal was scored, resulting in a profit for me. But, to my surprise, my bet ID was voided. Their response was that I had abused the market by entering during the VAR review process, which is absolute theft and proof that they operate as they wish. They have no clearly defined and publicly available rules for such situations, allowing them to manipulate as they please.
This is just one example from my personal experience, and there are many more. It would take me a long time to write them all down, but this is enough... They heavily manipulate the market. They have different liquidity levels for players precisely to engage in manipulation. The 2.5% to 3% commission they take as a platform is nothing compared to how agents and Betinasia steal from players in all possible ways, from draining money through manipulated cricket matches to heavy market manipulation during the game itself. For example, they remove market liquidity as soon as you start making a profit, and there are open positions in various situations where they can lure you into the market and steal your money. These brokerage companies are a complete scam, especially Betinasia!

And that is a perfect example of exactly how Betinasia treat customers constantly.

It is throwing insult upon injury the way they rush to call customers scammers as they scam the customer themselves. And I do not mean once or twice. Dozens of reports exactly like this how they accuse the customers they scam of cheating.

[mimika]

Betinasia is definitely a scam. I will provide a few examples of what happened to me and their responses to my complaints.
A match was ongoing, and there was a situation in the penalty area at 16 meters. The game continued, and I entered the under-goals market. After 30 seconds, the referee was signaled from the VAR room, and a review of the disputed situation began. I repeat, I entered the market after the disputed situation, which led to the awarding of a penalty. A goal was scored, and I ended up with a loss. I wrote to them and explained that I was in a suspended market while the VAR review was taking place, and that my bet should be voided because the VAR process begins from the moment of the disputed situation. However, they responded that this was not the case and that my bet was placed correctly.
Following this, I did the same in another match since I have a fast stream for watching games. After a suspicious situation in the penalty area, I entered the over-goals market, where a penalty was again awarded and a goal was scored, resulting in a profit for me. But, to my surprise, my bet ID was voided. Their response was that I had abused the market by entering during the VAR review process, which is absolute theft and proof that they operate as they wish. They have no clearly defined and publicly available rules for such situations, allowing them to manipulate as they please.
This is just one example from my personal experience, and there are many more. It would take me a long time to write them all down, but this is enough... They heavily manipulate the market. They have different liquidity levels for players precisely to engage in manipulation. The 2.5% to 3% commission they take as a platform is nothing compared to how agents and Betinasia steal from players in all possible ways, from draining money through manipulated cricket matches to heavy market manipulation during the game itself. For example, they remove market liquidity as soon as you start making a profit, and there are open positions in various situations where they can lure you into the market and steal your money. These brokerage companies are a complete scam, especially Betinasia!

[mimika]

Just to respond to the post claiming access is not possible: first of all, they offer all the markets that Betfair provides, except for LAY bets on horse racing, which are not allowed on any site. Everything else is more or less the same. Maybe they don’t have some sports that Betfair offers, but essentially, it’s all the same. The only countries where they are not available, as they themselves have stated, are Brazil and Portugal.

From Germany, I can’t access OddJust without a VPN service, but that’s the least of the problems. The most important thing is that the account is opened directly on their website, and you don’t need any intermediary or agent, such as the aforementioned scammers and fraudsters. They all more or less engage in market manipulation, scamming, voiding bets as it suits them, and so on. This has already been discussed, so there’s no need to repeat it.

[Optional]

People from many countries do not have direct access to a reliable betting exchange. That is why they use Betfair clones and brokers.

No, they are NOT. They do NOT offer their services in US for example. And they do NOT have all markets from Betfair.

You sound sort of desperate and willing to use and promote the scam agent Betinasia from your two posts about it... simply because you are desperate to use betfair where it is not legal to do so.

Do not promote this scam. Posting reasons to use the scam agent = promoting it.

That is all.

No more questions. No statements that you cant access Betfair another way. No promotion of this scam agent at all.

[kursonik]

Desperate people? Are you talking about me?

On what basis do you draw such hasty conclusions about me?

I stated the facts in response to the previous post. I am not promoting anyone or anything. Aren't you going a bit too far?

[Optional]

People from many countries do not have direct access to a reliable betting exchange. That is why they use Betfair clones and brokers.

That does not change anything. Do not promote scams on this forum.

Desperate people like you is why brokers like Betinasia can scam people.

[kursonik]

They are available in all countries where Betfair isn't.

No, they are NOT. They do NOT offer their services in US for example. And they do NOT have all markets from Betfair.

[mimika]

There is a new platform called OddJusta, which is also a Betfair clone. However, unlike other exchange sites, they allow the use of software and pull their API from Betfair. They are available in all countries where Betfair isn't. I'm not promoting them, but just letting you know that there is a site where you don't need intermediaries like brokerage houses such as BetInAsia and similar services.

The only drawback of OddJusta is their high commission, which I believe is 5%. Additionally, deposits and withdrawals can currently only be made via cryptocurrencies. They are still new and have just recently started operating.

Their advantage is that they offer two trading software tools completely free for their users, and the market liquidity is sourced from the Betfair platform.

[mimika]

I am
not promoting anyone here, nor am I referring to myself. I simply asked if anyone knows the verified and accurate story about liquidity because there are rumors that they are scamming people. It is said that this "high liquidity" is actually their own money (from their agents), who pose as bettors and play against you. This means that players are not competing against each other, but directly against them, which leads to the conclusion that they manipulate the market. I also read somewhere that when a player becomes profitable, that strong liquidity is removed because it means their agents are being pushed into the red. Now, this is what I’ve heard, I don’t know for sure, which is why I wanted to hear someone’s opinion if they have verified information. As for Brtinasia as a brokerage company, they are everything but what they are supposed to be. I don’t have a single good word to say about them, but my interest was solely in the story about liquidity, and that’s all.

[kursonik]

People from many countries do not have direct access to a reliable betting exchange. That is why they use Betfair clones and brokers.

[Optional]

Reminder of warning about betinasia scamming users

DO not promote this scam operation.

If you do not think they are, read the unanswered message to the owner below before you start arguing.

BETINASIA IS A SCAM OPERATION

SBR users continue to be scammed by these rouge Betfair partners.

Today we see yet another report of fake losing cricket bets added to an OrbitX account to drain the balance and as always, the broker acting like this is unknown to them and is the customers fault.

EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY KNOWS ABOUT THIS. Do not let them lie to you or make you think that they really think you are at fault.

If you get ripped off, complain to Betfair about their partner OrbitX or the scammy broker who is lying to you that they think it's your fault.




I want to share something. The owner of Betinasia reached out to me a month or two ago acting ignorant and wanting to know why I would think that Betinasia and OrbitX have been scamming many people.

I am going to post my response to him as he never responded even after reaching out to me for a conversation.

DO NOT BE TRICKED. THE BROKER INDUSTRY AND ORBITX ARE A BROKEN SYSTEM. DON"T TELL ANYONE TO USE THEM ANYMORE. TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED NOW.



Reply to Betinasia owner asking why SBR would think they are a scam; (no response ever came back)

The opinion comes after many attempts to reach out to you to help both yourselves and users resolve problems with BetInAsia accounts being drained, and getting stonewalled or ignored or simply given nonsense responses from your staff.

There have been way too many complaints about balances going missing from your account holders who are then given no respect or assistance to investigate or properly resolve the issue. It became very obvious over time that BIA are involved in draining customer accounts or covering up the issue.

To seriously try to tell me Betinasia has never had a problem in 10 years tells me you are probably no less of a waste of time to talk to as your customers have found your staff over many years. Do you really believe that?? There is little point to a conversation if you do. Please educate yourself about your own company before wasting my time trying to "discuss" anything.

If you want to know any specifics, you are welcome to use the forum search function. Here are a few threads to get you started;

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3710007-violated-orbit-account.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3720440-warning-orbitxch-betinasia-7000-lost.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3726942-betinasia-bank-transfer-disappeared.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3707169-betinasia-closed-my-account-stole-my-eur-13-650-a.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3668566-orbit-paid-out-2k-euros-without-my-knowledge-account-known-only-them.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3679164-bia-betinasia-bia-do-not-settle-winnings-bets-trying-steal-money.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3644281-betinasia-bia-trying-steal-my-money.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3651145-new-orbitx-account-betinasia.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3635743-orbitexchange-account-suspended.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3721446-what-deal-does-betfair-have-white-labels-e-g-orbitxch-agents.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3704202-orbit-stole-my-winnings.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3644337-orbitexchange-4222-euro-blocked.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3680147-what-about-betinasia-site.html#post30628050

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3706209-bia-orbit-account-suspenden.html

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3659863-betinasia-vs-sportmarket.html#post31224500

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3563039-name-your-broker-asian-books-p2.html#post28926912

And these are just some public posts. There have been a lot more privately submitted complaints about BIA which mostly sound like the exact same MO. Even when many people came to you saying I have never bet cricket and large cricket bets have appeared in my account and all lost draining it you tried to treat them like THEY are the lying scammers. Over and again, the same response. We know that your company knows, as you use a standard response to the victims we see over and again.

Did you really not realize your company is this terrible?

If you want to discuss anything with me you'll need to show some openness and honesty. I have wasted as much time as I ever plan to trying to help resolve problem reports for BIA with arrogant company reps who just stick their head in the sand and deny everything as customers continue to be shafted.

[mimika]

I have a question regarding Betinasia providers. Could someone explain in more detail and reliably their liquidity, specifically for what was once OrbitX and now the Sharp platform? Some players have basic liquidity markets, similar to other platforms like Betfair, while others have 10-20X greater liquidity. I've been trying to get an answer from them about when and how a player gets access to that stronger liquidity, but they always give vague answers, along with a few guidelines and several other factors. So, I suspect that the story they tell might not be entirely true. If anyone could clarify this, it would be appreciated.

[Chrisss]

Dirty little tricks in Piwi exchange with Asianconnect

Hello folks,

Today, i bet on a basket match and it ended in a loss. You know that too huh!!!
At the end of regulation time the two teams were draw, and the match will continue into extra time, according the basket rules. ok.ok.
But, but, Piwi suspended the market just after the end of the regular time, and during all the extra time, so that it was impossible to get out of my bet.
They closed the match market when it suits them. The market had to stay open during the overtime of the match.
Therefore i ask Asianconnect to void or refund my bet, but they don't care about my concerns.



This is their response :

We are sorry for the inconvenience that you faced. Upon checking please be informed that, as for the suspension of the market, you may refer to the posted rules and regulations of PIWI247.

Stated at : PIWI247 aims to use its reasonable endeavours to suspend in-play markets at the start of and at the end of the event. However, regardless of what it says in the Market Information, PIWI247 does not guarantee that such markets will be suspended at the relevant time.


F--- --u Asianconnect.

[Maikiti]

If someone said it is okay to play with them while you have US ID, you're in even bigger danger.

[Barrakuda]

Broker besides Piwi (for US)

Do any brokers besides Piwi allow access to Pinnacle? US ID, but would be accessing from Europe.

[BOWLSZN]

Orbit is a platform many brokers use them Piwi has not changed

[BRAPBREPMIT]

Ask your bank to revoke it?

BetInAsia has produced a constant flow of accusations that they have added fake bets and stolen funds for the last 12 months or so.


Scam operation now imho.

Are you still of this opinion?

I thought most of the scamming was as a result of Orbit Exchange, which has one of the worst reputations of any betting site in the industry; although Bet In Asia didn't seem to offer adequate assistance to scammed customers.

[pjbfs]

PIWI exchange

Hi everyone, my name is Paulo, i´m new here, so i hope you are all doing well.

I am a piwi exchange customer, and recently the site changed. Of course piwi, i beleive, is a mirror site from Orbit, so in fact its Orbit that has changed.

The site is much more dificult to quickly trade our bets, in my opinion.

I don't know if anyone here have that experience also, but i would like to hear from you.

I already reached Orbit customer support but i dont beleive they will change anything.

Hope to hear from your experiences and know your opinion.


Best regards

[BOWLSZN]

Not sure but might give it a try my old broker sold to PIWI & stopped taking US players

[noflexzone]

Madmarket.io

Needing access to Pinnacle odds so was trying to see if this website that acts as a broker is a legitimate exchange that I can use. Seen some US folks use it as well. Any information would be appreciated.

[blakey008]

Yeah I do think there was a handful there but memory was foggy. I think mainly because AC did what they could to help people so none of them blew up like the BIA ones all did. Don't think BIA solved, or helped with, a single one that was reported here.

I have experienced a delayed settlement of my winning bets on the PS3838, I understand that brokers or agency have nothing to do with the settlement of bets (As I also experienced this kind of instances with my other accounts under different services) but I came to bookielink live chat and ask If they can help me follow-up the settlement of my bets and that's what they did. I think it's important that your broker you will choose MUST also has the sense or urgency to help you in anything about the account/s

[blakey008]

Have you had any problems with withdrawing money in recent days?

For me. I haven't tried to withdraw with them on recent days. How about you? Did you had any issues?

[RM95]

Have you had any problems with withdrawing money in recent days?

[blakey008]

I agree with this. I think there's must really a worst reason beyond this that results to sudden closure of Orbit on BIA.
Of course BIA will be play safe with all of these limbo and won't tell the truth.

[RM95]

On black is it safe to play now no problems with withdrawing money? The problem is only with Orbit?

[Optional]

Yeah I do think there was a handful there but memory was foggy. I think mainly because AC did what they could to help people so none of them blew up like the BIA ones all did. Don't think BIA solved, or helped with, a single one that was reported here.

[infotimbo]

I can't recall for sure if they had any fake bet reports, but it was more than 90% BIA. We could have just heard about it more with them as they were so unhelpful to anyone affected too.

There's a thread over on Arbusers about a case at AC (they were able to resolve), so some of their accounts were indeed affected as well

https://arbusers.com/my-orbit-account-shows-bets-that-i-have-not-placed-resolved-t9707/

[jamesrav]

reading about this on another forum, it sounds like the dissolution come about very fast, leaving thousands of accounts in limbo. Those with active bets who are into arbitrage face some bad consequences if they cant do what they expected to do in time. Must have been some bad blood between Orbit and BIA.

[Optional]

is this 'fake bet' thing confined to BIA and not AsianConnect ? Considering the similar names, assumed client base (Asia, maybe China in particular) I thought these were essentially the same thing. I joined AsianConnect several years ago and have had no problems, and make several hundred horse bets/month. Maybe members of BIA are trying to take advantage of things.

I haven't spoken with them for a few years but the owner used to come across as wanting to be helpful and fair solving complaint issues.

I can't recall for sure if they had any fake bet reports, but it was more than 90% BIA. We could have just heard about it more with them as they were so unhelpful to anyone affected too.

[jamesrav]

Only a few years of dozens of reports of fake bets draining Betinasia/OrbitX accounts with zero help from OrbitX for users affected by the scam before they do anything...

About time. But still looks like Orbit want to blame everyone else but themselves.

You would have to be desperate to risk even 1 dollar with any of these shysters after so many instances of their involvement in ripping off users and making no effort to help anyone recover funds.

is this 'fake bet' thing confined to BIA and not AsianConnect ? Considering the similar names, assumed client base (Asia, maybe China in particular) I thought these were essentially the same thing. I joined AsianConnect several years ago and have had no problems, and make several hundred horse bets/month. Maybe members of BIA are trying to take advantage of things.

[blakey008]

I actually regret opening an account with BetinAsia.
So far bookielink is the one who I think have the better service along with Asianconnect

[Moneygreen]

Apparently, sharp exchange was just launched but so many issues and complaints already. ��

[Optional]

^^^ Search for betinasia or bia with the forum search box and you will see many posts about Betinasia problems for users.

The owner of Betinasia contacted SBR saying he wanted to discuss any issues. When a list of issues were sent to him he ran away and siad no more.

He even claimed Betinasia has never had any problems for players at all.

Cannot be trusted.


RUN AWAY IF YOU CAN GET YOUR MONEY OUT OF THEIR "sharp exchange".

[mysticles]

Orbitx just ended work w BIA (or overall idk that). It came earlier than expected, BIA has "sharp exchange" that was not fully ready yet but they opened it now cuz of this news. your balance will be carried to BIA account and you can easily open sharp exc. account and continue betting. Depending on several factors it can take bit time of course as its LOT OF work to transfer all this... so some users migh have everything settled already but some still in ---- . Dont worry. Sharp exchange is you can back and lay but like i sayd before this orbtix closure came way earlier for BIA aswel so patience is key. They have tons of requests currently but everything will be transfered to your BIA account. If u had open bets and u need hedge something use other service meanwhile. All open bets will be honored normal way and wins transfered to bia account. new exchange comission is 2.5% what i have heard, so win.