Problem with 5Dimes' Tony - robbed of $3600 in winnings

**SBRMAN23** · 11-08-15, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by gauchojake

How do you think they pay for the reduced juice?

Lmfao

**LordVodka** · 11-08-15, 10:05 PM

Why would they donate the money to a charity? Also how do we have proof?

**The Kraken** · 11-08-15, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by GuybrushT

I've witdrawn all my balance 2 weeks ago, exactly because of this idiot called Tony. I've read the 5dimes rules and terms, and they are basicaly saying "if we decide we will not pay you, we will not". They can invent ANYTHING! You can play on a good odd, win it, continue winning with the earnings of the first bet, and then Tony can say "that first bet was an error, all your later winnings were stolen from us". As he has done in the past.

I prefer placing big bets at Pinnacle and sleep quietly, then win at 5dimes and be scared all the time if I will get my money when I decide to ask a payout.

Hate to break it to ya pal but this is true of all books. 5dimes is a pretty important out to lose over not being pragmatic.

**shopp** · 11-09-15, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Hate to break it to ya pal but this is true of all books. 5dimes is a pretty important out to lose over not being pragmatic.

That's exactly the point. It is true of all books that they can simply decide not to pay given their terms and conditions and the fact they have your money. The player needs to get comfortable with who can be trusted based on events that occur from time to time. This event speaks volumes of 5d and the player would rather have one less out than deal with the uncertainty 5D has created from this.

**relaaxx** · 11-09-15, 08:53 AM

this is a reason to deposit at 5dimes. not take out your money. they caught someone trying to circumvent rules. they payed him partially anyways. they could have not payed him at all. because they are good enough to catch people like this they will be around for a long time. they will pay people who win while playing by the rules. that's what should be important to you they are fiscally responsible. one of the best books facing the US. if you are not in the US then go elsewhere there are better books. but if you are here in the US 5dimes is the best there is.

**bookiebutcher** · 11-09-15, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by relaaxx

this is a reason to deposit at 5dimes. not take out your money. they caught someone trying to circumvent rules. they payed him partially anyways. they could have not payed him at all. because they are good enough to catch people like this they will be around for a long time. they will pay people who win while playing by the rules. that's what should be important to you they are fiscally responsible. one of the best books facing the US. if you are not in the US then go elsewhere there are better books. but if you are here in the US 5dimes is the best there is.

Exactly, because if 5Dimes would have seized the whole balance they would have been crooks, which they aren't obviously. If they would have paid the full amount they would be idiots and have no reasonable operational control, which would lead to the question whether they are sustainable for the coming years. I think they handled this case correctly, as the players tried to go beyond reasonable rules regarding to account sharing and 5Dimes still paid the amount up to the level where the player had been limited to.

**cutter2225** · 11-09-15, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by relaaxx

this is a reason to deposit at 5dimes. not take out your money. they caught someone trying to circumvent rules. they payed him partially anyways. they could have not payed him at all. because they are good enough to catch people like this they will be around for a long time. they will pay people who win while playing by the rules. that's what should be important to you they are fiscally responsible. one of the best books facing the US. if you are not in the US then go elsewhere there are better books. but if you are here in the US 5dimes is the best there is.

"caught" is a matter of opinion. I and many others still haven't seen hard proof that 5 slimes were done wrong. The majority of time I agree it's the player taking a shot at the book and in those cases I absolutely agree the player should get nothing but the fact remains a wager was made before the game started on a fair line. No shot was taken but Tony dug deep into his dirty bag of tricks and found a way to not pay the man his full winnings. As for the donation, it's always a good thing to give to the less fortunate but I highly doubt Tony suddenly grew a heart and decided to donate to charity. More likely SBR suggested it to try and put a positive spin on the situation. You can put lipstick on a pig but the fact remains it's still a pig!

**relaaxx** · 11-09-15, 10:41 AM

we disagree. i don't need hard proof. every day i make many decisions based on facts and coming to conclusions without having definite guaranteed hard proof. i think you do too.sometimes i have no choice but to come to conclusions without having all the facts i want. this is in just daily life. now throw in that the decision i am making has something to do with keeping a running business solvent. well i see how 5dimes has more than enough proof for them to come to the decision they did. they treated the op fairer than i would have.

**pjesnik24** · 11-09-15, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by relaaxx

we disagree. i don't need hard proof. every day i make many decisions based on facts and coming to conclusions without having definite guaranteed hard proof. i think you do too.sometimes i have no choice but to come to conclusions without having all the facts i want. this is in just daily life. now throw in that the decision i am making has something to do with keeping a running business solvent. well i see how 5dimes has more than enough proof for them to come to the decision they did. they treated the op fairer than i would have.

I must agree with you, there are so many facts here that it is unbelievably clear that the player was NOT trying to cheat.
For example, player opened an account in Vegas from his friend's Ipad and then went back to a completely different state and placed a bet which he could have placed anywhere else with the same odds and for the same amount, no questions asked.
The fact that he used the same device to register the account actually proves to me more that he did not have any intention to cheat because he did not know that something like that could be a problem. He has not placed the bet on the same device nor he (probably not, because 5dimes would say if he did) ever logged in from the same device ever again which kind of confirms his story that it was just to show him the site and to register.
I also really like the fact that they were betting on the same marketis for 5dimes a proof that they are the same person, it would be the same if you said to two gamblers in England that they are the same because they were betting Premier League soccer with few months passed in between. That is crazy
5dimes is clearly in wrong here but that guy Tony seems like a guy who would never ever apologize and admit that he might have been wrong (please provide a link if I am wrong) so that is why they donated to charity (if they really did) which really is an acceptance of guilt but he will never back down on his decision

**cutter2225** · 11-09-15, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by relaaxx

we disagree. i don't need hard proof. every day i make many decisions based on facts and coming to conclusions without having definite guaranteed hard proof. i think you do too.sometimes i have no choice but to come to conclusions without having all the facts i want. this is in just daily life. now throw in that the decision i am making has something to do with keeping a running business solvent. well i see how 5dimes has more than enough proof for them to come to the decision they did. they treated the op fairer than i would have.

Of course daily life dictates decisions being made, some easy some hard but in any modern civilized country you certainly do need proof to withhold or steal funds or products that don't necessarily belong to you. If you made a decision in your daily business that equates to you robbing me of money or products I believe I'm entitled to then as long as you don't live in some third world shit hole I'd be either charging you with theft or suing you, possibly both.

Obviously dealing with the scummie world of offshore betting in a third world shit hole means the legal system isn't an option but it also shouldn't mean it's the wild west and bookies can just decide hey this is close enough to proof in my eyes so you don't get paid or you get whatever I decide.

**Grivas_Digeni** · 11-09-15, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by winz

donating winnings forcibly to a charity doesnt solve anything.

I disagree. They both are in the wrong. Noone should benefit in this situation. Tony's point is that shot-takers, multi-accounters and people who bend the rules aren't welcome at this shop. That's his right.

What isn't his right is benefitting financially in this situation. By paying the player part of the bet and giving the rest to a charity he makes his point once again - if you want to f... with me you get burnt - while still telling 99% of his target audience that they will continue to get fair treatment for as long as they don't try anything funny. As a former bookmaker, I understand and support this demonstration of power by 5dimes. But only as long as it's made abundantly clear the fund confiscation was a lesson to a person the book considers a customer who was shown the door but then returned wearing a different skin... not a way to pad their bottom line.

This is exactly what I expected to hear in this thread. If 5dimes decides to donate double the amount - 7200 total - it would become the ultimate marketing move. Just 3600 is a fair solution too.

EDIT: The above post was made after a suggestion to donate winnings were made public but before I got to the part confirming the actual donation took place. Everyone should draw their own conclusions from the way 5dimes handled the case but the way they did makes me want to be a customer. Kudos 5dimes, kudos SBR.

**relaaxx** · 11-09-15, 01:03 PM

that's exactly it. if the book thinks the proof they have is good enough, then it's good enough. then you decide if what they did is good enough for you to be a customer there. i have decided for me they did even more than they had to do. 1st i would have payed out nothing. gave him back his deposit and closed the account. donating to charity at all is just the extra step to appease posters here at SBR and other forums. great, shows that 5dimes is giving and doesn't care much about that particular some of money. i don't like siding with the book but as i said before i like even less siding with what i believe the op and his friend did.

**Thunderground** · 11-09-15, 06:50 PM

Nothing against charitable donations.

But why not create a fund to pay back players that books have stolen from in the past? Let's pay those players back. Good only for A and B books, as graded by SBR. Such a fund would create an added layer of protection and create greater trust in the offshore industry.

**edawg** · 11-09-15, 08:56 PM

Would have liked to see bet paid in full to OP and then challenge to match donation so he would at least get the write off. IMO 5dimes is a very good shop that I would recommend to anyone but every line hung should be paid period! If the guy is taking shots you boot him and if you want to get personal blackball him but always pay a winning wager!

**The Kraken** · 11-11-15, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

You take a bet, you pay a bet........................

Really? Where in the 5dimes TOS is that stated? Because Im quite certain that some age old adage that was thought up by some degenerate trying to get paid doesn't trump the TOS.

**HuskerExpat** · 11-11-15, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Really? Where in the 5dimes TOS is that stated? Because Im quite certain that some age old adage that was thought up by some degenerate trying to get paid doesn't trump the TOS.

Agreed, but it also doesn't say in their TOS that signing up from a friend's device or IP address is prohibited or presumptive proof of a mutliple account....

**cutter2225** · 11-11-15, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by HuskerExpat

Agreed, but it also doesn't say in their TOS that signing up from a friend's device or IP address is prohibited or presumptive proof of a mutliple account....

Unfortunately Tony refers to his own personal TOS when he feels like jamming someone.

**milwaukee mike** · 11-13-15, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Really? Where in the 5dimes TOS is that stated? Because Im quite certain that some age old adage that was thought up by some degenerate trying to get paid doesn't trump the TOS.

most terms of service say that they can do whatever they want... so that trumps fairness? so if the employee at the grocery store hits my car with a shopping cart, but it says "we are not responsible" then i'm screwed? wow i'd hate for you to be my attorney

that "old adage that was thought up by some degenerate" has been used multiple times by sbr in handling disputes, it's only now that they say it applies to everyone EXCEPT 5dimes.

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**bookiebutcher** · 11-13-15, 11:27 AM

Bookies only use industry standards when it's in their advantage!! Now ofcourse not. Btw the charity donation is really bullshit, what has that to do with this case? Maybe the solution can be in midway of both numbers, it seems more fair but probably both parties want the full amount..

**libra2jay** · 11-13-15, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

most terms of service say that they can do whatever they want... so that trumps fairness? so if the employee at the grocery store hits my car with a shopping cart, but it says "we are not responsible" then i'm screwed? wow i'd hate for you to be my attorney

that "old adage that was thought up by some degenerate" has been used multiple times by sbr in handling disputes, it's only now that they say it applies to everyone EXCEPT 5dimes.

Mobibet Sportsbook rebrands as MB24. By: SBR ... the old industrystandard of "youbookthe bet, youpaythe bet" applies.

The old industrystandard of "youbookthe bet, youpaythe bet" applies. BetUS

BetRevolution Sportsbook ignoring players and SBR By ... You may have to register ... question and must pay — the old industrystandard of "youbookthe bet, you pay the bet" applies

**tbone123** · 11-14-15, 02:04 PM

Not trying to stir the pot, but i had this issue with 5dimes in the past. I had a cousin sign up and he was at my house when doing so .. he had his own computer but signed up while his computer being on my wifi. We were betting different games but they said it was me having 2 account taking advantage of the bonuses. Maybe there is more to this story but these sports books should be for people who load up $500 or less and looking to just wager for fun. I always thought 5dimes was a book who catered to professionals. Also, with that all being said i got that taken care of and my account is back to normal after letting them know its not me with another account and my cousin had to send all kind of identification and he eventually shut down his account because of the trouble. Unless you didnt try to mess with the database or try to defraud them of their bonus by pulling a fast one they should honor taking the wager and ban your account. The worst that should happen to you is a banned account and paid your money. Goodluck

**squareshot** · 11-14-15, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

most terms of service say that they can do whatever they want... so that trumps fairness? so if the employee at the grocery store hits my car with a shopping cart, but it says "we are not responsible" then i'm screwed? wow i'd hate for you to be my attorney

that "old adage that was thought up by some degenerate" has been used multiple times by sbr in handling disputes, it's only now that they say it applies to everyone EXCEPT 5dimes.

Mobibet Sportsbook rebrands as MB24. By: SBR ... the old industrystandard of "youbookthe bet, youpaythe bet" applies.

The old industrystandard of "youbookthe bet, youpaythe bet" applies. BetUS

BetRevolution Sportsbook ignoring players and SBR By ... You may have to register ... question and must pay — the old industrystandard of "youbookthe bet, you pay the bet" applies

I don't understand why this situation is being treated different. Has SBR explained this?

**23Edler_Salo6** · 11-15-15, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by squareshot

I don't understand why this situation is being treated different. Has SBR explained this?

They have to be careful to protect their business relationship with 5dimes. SBR doesn't exist as a legitimate regulatory body, they can do as they please. I mean, it's better than nothing, but the perception of their purpose to players is slightly disengenous, or possibly just misunderstood. There is either substantial emperical evidence being withheld here or it's simply just not an impartial finding being made here.

**Foxx** · 11-15-15, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by tbone123

I always thought 5dimes was a book who catered to professionals.

Wow. I can't imagine what gave you that idea. 5dimes is a chicken shit recreational book. Great book if you're loser.

**Limited** · 11-15-15, 03:17 AM

I always thought 5dimes was a book who catered to professionals.

Does 25 USD limit per bet sounds professional? And yes, every bookie is great for losers.

**GigaOuts** · 11-15-15, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Limited

Does 25 USD limit per bet sounds professional? And yes, every bookie is great for losers.

$25 usd is pretty pathetic but at least you get unlimited rebet.

What about despicable bet365 - $7.14 max bet! I can't even wager a f*cking Happy Meal
despicable William Hill $14.28 max bet! fired your sh!ty trader & hire some programmers

it a shame those mickey mouse shop hire bunch of clueless trader when an automate system at Pinnacle can do it flawless.

his my list of mickey mouse shop:
William Hill
bet365
Labrokes
unibet - ufc sponsor book won't even accept 25 euro wager on ufc fight ....lol.

**slayer14** · 11-15-15, 02:47 PM

Gigaout which bookmakers you rate very highly.

**Limited** · 11-15-15, 02:47 PM

$25 usd is pretty pathetic but at least you get unlimited rebet.

I agree there are many joke bookies and 5D seems to be better, however I would not call 5D as a pro-bookie. Pin, SBO (Asians) for soccer, Exchanges and Bookmaker, that's it.

Unlimited rebet,

. 25 USD bet from a sharp player will move or block the line, The value is gone and you are done.

**GigaOuts** · 11-15-15, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by slayer14

Gigaout which bookmakers you rate very highly.

here is my top #5
#1. 5dimes .....lol. sorry op. best reduce juice in the market, although I am limit to $50 at least I can re bet until my heart content
#2. Pinnacle, 5g+ max for ufc/mma fight, unlimited re bet
#3. Matchbook, no juice! 1% fee trading with other sport bettors. No longer cater to Canada ....sob
#4. Sports Interaction
#5. Betonline

All these sites have very fast free payout & free deposit, Betonline will cover my deposit fee but not my exchange fee. It hassle free so far, been doing for 4yrs in mma betting. Pinnacle is sick, 10g withdraw seems like it takes less than a breath ...lol.

William Hill is awesome too, very quick free deposit & payout too, couldn't believe they limited me to $20 cdn .....sob.

**GigaOuts** · 11-15-15, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Limited

I agree there are many joke bookies and 5D seems to be better, however I would not call 5D as a pro-bookie. Pin, SBO (Asians) for soccer, Exchanges and Bookmaker, that's it.

Unlimited rebet,

. 25 USD bet from a sharp player will move or block the line, The value is gone and you are done.

Oh I see. my limit bet hardly moves line so I am happy with the unlimited re bet. I just compare unlimited rebet is better than no rebet. It is like bet365 & william hill is mocking me, giving me happy meal bet. They say, 'no no this price is for other customer, not for you!' It is like I being single out, other gambler can bet at that price why can I?

Thanks god we have pro-bookie.

**TheMoneyShot** · 11-16-15, 03:17 AM

Glanced at this thread a week or two ago... wow this got out of hand.

1. Any accounts that are linked with the same IP Address should be questioned.

2. I don't remember if it was one wager or several wagers of around 4k? But, all wagers should be honored... as long as both accounts aren't "Bonus Related."

3. If 5Dimes wants to close one or both accounts after the wagers.... and not accept anymore... they are entitled too.

Don't know what the official end result was?? Charity or whatever???

The bottom line is... I've told several of my friends about what books I use. I would dare not let them sign up at my home using my IP Address. It's just common sense not to fuk around like that.

**GigaOuts** · 11-16-15, 03:20 PM

William Hill step up, no longer am I limit to $20 cdn, ty ty William Hill!
my top ufc/mma sport books

#1. 5dimes .....lol. sorry op. best reduce juice in the market, although I am limit to $50 at least I can re bet until my heart content
#2. Pinnacle, 5g+ max for ufc/mma fight, unlimited re bet
#3. Matchbook, no juice! 1% fee trading with other sport bettors. No longer cater to Canada ....sob
#4. Sports Interaction
#5. Betonline
#6. William Hill

bet365, time to step up! Limit me to $7.14 below the canadian minimum wage is pathetic. bet365 trader, stop being a pus&y let me wager $200 for ufc/mma minimum is all I ask.

unibet, you are a f*cking official sponsor of UFC, why are you limit some customer less than 25 euro for ufc/mma bet?

Sorry op, sbr, & sbr posters for derailing this thread. This thread is the most popular currently, I am using it to calling out pus*y mickey mouse bet365 & unibet who is a muti millions company to step up to change all account that is limited to at least $200 instead of happy meal limit.

**rustygsbr** · 11-16-15, 09:48 PM

bonus?

Maybe I missed this, but was there a bonus involved in the deposit? Not that this is a make or break, but if there is a bonus, then definitely player should not be paid. The entire situation wreaks of oddity. Both using BTC, giant first deposit and then a giant play right out of gate?

However, if no bonus, and a fair NFL line (not an obscure game) then being they booked the bet.......

**evo34** · 11-17-15, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by shopp

Don't let the charity donation cloud the point of the thread. 5 dimes stole from the player unless someone proves that the player is related to billy Walters, lol.

Taking a shot betting an NFL side??? Can't wait for the next reason 5 dimes comes up with for the next theft! They are getting creative...

Yes, to recap: 5 Dimes stole money from a player and then donated that stolen money to a charity. How this is viewed as a good practice is beyond me.

**RedDevil1974** · 11-17-15, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Hate to break it to ya pal but this is true of all books. 5dimes is a pretty important out to lose over not being pragmatic.

is it penetrate the same with all books.. there isnt a half decent book in europe or most of the worldwide ones that would do what you said.. most would pay you whats coming and then get rid of you.

You keep sticking up for 5dimes. wonder why.

its a shit book run by a robbing shithouse.