SBR MODS I need your help. 5D/Tony are criminals!

**blacktownjames** · 01-29-14, 03:34 PM

Is the guy getting back his original deposit? BTJ.. Just keep playing @ heritage and youwager they are great books

**JayMoney24_7** · 01-29-14, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by blacktownjames

Is the guy getting back his original deposit? BTJ.. Just keep playing @ heritage and youwager they are great books

I'm working with my cc to get it back. SBR ruling stated for me to go back and beg Tony for my refund, and admit to wrongdoing in order to get it back. Basically beg "god" for mercy, confess my sins, and hope I am spared if he finds me worthy. I refuse to admit to a lie. I'm confident I'll get my money back. Proud to be an American, and not subjected to tyrants.

**blacktownjames** · 01-29-14, 03:54 PM

Oh Tony was not going to give you back your deposit? Well just say I want me original deposit and that is pretty simple. Just tell him there is not much left to say..

**shari91** · 01-29-14, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

I'm working with my cc to get it back. SBR ruling stated for me to go back and beg Tony for my refund, and admit to wrongdoing in order to get it back. Basically beg "god" for mercy, confess my sins, and hope I am spared if he finds me worthy. I refuse to admit to a lie. I'm confident I'll get my money back. Proud to be an American, and not subjected to tyrants.

You might be proud to be an American - as I am - but you're setting yourself to be so hooped you'll never bet again. You think you're trying to be clever but I promise you're f'ng yourself. Take the refund of those bets and don't be silly unless you now want to be the kid who is blackballed everywhere and can't gamble again. Don't believe it? Do a search.

**blacktownjames** · 01-29-14, 03:58 PM

Beantown Jim you are a shot taker.. Oh my.. How can that be never heard that before. I did read once that guy the Shrink said you were a stiff. I hope that is not true but didn't the shrink guy kill his dog and wife.. So really can't believe him.. Sorry to hear such bad things about beantown, he seems likeable

**BEANTOWNJIM** · 01-29-14, 04:01 PM

SHARI YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE BUSINESS WHAT IS TONY GOING TO BLACKBALL THIS GUY AT OTHER OFFSHORE SPORTSBOOKS GET REAL YOU IDIOT

IF 5 DIMES CLOSES YOUR ACCOUNT THERE WILL BE 5 OTHER BOOKS BEGGING YOU TO SIGN UP BLACKBALLED MY ARSE

IF THE DOGO DOESNT GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY JUST SAY THE WORDS ALL OFFSHORE SPORTSBOOKS DONT WANT TO HEAR (F.B.I.) YOU WILL GET YOUR MONEY

SHARI I GUESS YOU DONT KNOW THERE ARE STREET BOOKIES ON EVERY CORNER AND THEY PAY CASH DID YOU KNOW THIS SHARI

AS THE PRESIDENT SAYS THERE ARE LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY AS TREVON MARTIN FOUND OUT ITS CALLED (STAND YOUR GROUND) DONT LET TONY FROM 5 DIMES BULLY YOU AROUND HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO HIM JUST MAKE SURE YOU KEEP TALKING IN THIS THREAD HE HAS TO PAY YOU

**orisbumplut** · 01-29-14, 04:03 PM

Jim, I really like both 5d and Heritage. Sure Tony is rough around the edges. If you are up front, honest, and don't take any shots, you won't have any problems with him as he pays on time. You were wrong in going ballistic on him when your check bounced because you knew he had nothing to do with it and it was all the processor's fault. I still wish Tony reinstates you because you are very entertaining and it would only be a matter of time before something else happens and the board would once again light up again in hysterical fashion. I also like Heritage. They are very generous with their cash back, contests, gimmicks and their cs is great. However, one thing makes me a little bit on edge about them. They don't take new US customers any longer. What is that supposed to mean to the existing US customers? I hope nothing.

**SBR_John** · 01-29-14, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

I'm working with my cc to get it back. SBR ruling stated for me to go back and beg Tony for my refund, and admit to wrongdoing in order to get it back. Basically beg "god" for mercy, confess my sins, and hope I am spared if he finds me worthy. I refuse to admit to a lie. I'm confident I'll get my money back. Proud to be an American, and not subjected to tyrants.

The SBR ruling asked you to go back and beg Tony? That would be unprofessional if true. Would you mind posting the entire ruling here?

**BEANTOWNJIM** · 01-29-14, 04:06 PM

SHRINK NEVER CALLED ME A STIFF I TALKED TO THE GUY ONCE IN MY LIFE I NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH KEN WEITZNER PERIOD SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

BEANTOWNJIMS NAME HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN ON ANY STIFF LIST I OWE NOBODY ANYTHING AND I CERTAINLY DONT HAVE TO LOOK OVER MY SHOULDER WHEN I GO OUT.I DONT DO ANY BUSINESS WITH ANYBODY ON ANY FORUMS NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL

THE FEW,THE PROUD,THE HERITAGE PLAYERS

**JayMoney24_7** · 01-29-14, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

The SBR ruling asked you to go back and beg Tony? That would be unprofessional if true. Would you mind posting the entire ruling here?

Email from Matt:

We have spoken with 5Dimes management.

All you have to do is connect to live help, request Becky or Tony, acknowledge past-posting, request to be paid your actual balance (not derived from said attempts).

Denying it, trying to keep your account open, engaging in a circus isn’t going to solve anything any quicker. Just own up and be on your way.

Regards,
Matt

**BEANTOWNJIM** · 01-29-14, 04:10 PM

ORIS IT WASNT ONLY THE BOUNCED CHECK HE ALSO SAYS JIM I HAVE CREDITED YOUR ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF YOUR WITHDRAWEL SO YOU CAN BET ON IT AGAIN

GET THE TRICK ORIS HE THOUGHT INSTEAD OF PAYING ME HE WOULD CREDIT MY ACCOUNT SO I COULD LOSE IT BACK I TOLD HIM TO F UCK OFF AND JUST PAY ME MY WITHDRAWEL WITCH HE EVENTUALLY DID 2 MONTHS LATER

THE OLD I PUT THE MONEY BACK IN YOUR ACCOUNT SO YOU CAN LOSE IT BACK TRICK THAT HAPPENED TO ME ONCE AT BET PHOENIX AND I SWORE IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN

**allabout the $$$** · 01-29-14, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

Email from Matt:

We have spoken with 5Dimes management.

All you have to do is connect to live help, request Becky or Tony, acknowledge past-posting, request to be paid your actual balance (not derived from said attempts).

Denying it, trying to keep your account open, engaging in a circus isn’t going to solve anything any quicker. Just own up and be on your way.

Regards,
Matt

sure sounds like you need to kiss some ass or admit to wrong doing when if you have been honest you didnt do.

5 dimes close the account send him his check and go your separate ways

**Killakrzydav** · 01-29-14, 04:14 PM

"AS THE PRESIDENT SAYS THERE ARE LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY AS TREVON MARTIN FOUND OUT ITS CALLED (STAND YOUR GROUND) DONT LET TONY FROM 5 DIMES BULLY YOU AROUND HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO HIM JUST MAKE SURE YOU KEEP TALKING IN THIS THREAD HE HAS TO PAY YOU"

"Stand your ground" is not a nationwide law. It is however one in Florida where it's clearly spelled out in the Florida Statutes.

**Majman** · 01-29-14, 04:20 PM

I've read this entire thread and it does seem to me that SBR is clearly not impartial. I had a small recent issue with a book and a very large one many years ago with a different book and I felt that SBR looked to slander me and protect the paying book in both instances. I think that SBR needs to try and be the industry leader that it claims to be by judging fairly and informing a book when they are wrong and sticking to their guns, when a situation like that occurs. This would give them more respect with both the book & the posters. Unfortunately, given the current online gaming climate, SBR seems to feel that they need to protect their client. Given the evidence that I have, I would have declared to the public that 5Dimes needs to refund the player's balance, no questions asked. I do believe that the OP took a shot at past posting but 5Dimes is also guilty for leaving a line open way past its finality. Both parties are guilty, refund the player, close his account and be done with it.......my 2 cents.

**Killakrzydav** · 01-29-14, 04:20 PM

Why won't 5 dimes just give him his money back, close his account, and they both go separate ways? Having to admit to something the OP states he did not do seems like bologna.

**blacktownjames** · 01-29-14, 04:21 PM

I did not read kiss his ass. You did bet something after it started?

**SBR_John** · 01-29-14, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

Email from Matt:

We have spoken with 5Dimes management.

All you have to do is connect to live help, request Becky or Tony, acknowledge past-posting, request to be paid your actual balance (not derived from said attempts).

Denying it, trying to keep your account open, engaging in a circus isn’t going to solve anything any quicker. Just own up and be on your way.

Regards,
Matt

OK. This is kind of like the wife who walks in on her husband screwing the neighbor. Afterward the husband denies it and says; who are you going to believe? your husband or your lying eyes???

The times confirm you past posted. There is not soul in this thread that thinks otherwise. So do what you have to do and move on. You are not the first guy that tried this.

**orisbumplut** · 01-29-14, 04:22 PM

I remember when Bet Phoenix was the Greatest Book Ever in the world of BTJ. Anyway, I agree that you need at least 2 solid books at all times but you can't compare youwager to 5d. You should work it out with Tony.

**Killakrzydav** · 01-29-14, 04:26 PM

Is the consensus that he past-posted? Or the other way around?

**Killakrzydav** · 01-29-14, 04:27 PM

And just to be clear, is "past posting" wagering after a game has started or completed?

**allabout the $$$** · 01-29-14, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

OK. This is kind of like the wife who walks in on her husband screwing the neighbor. Afterward the husband denies it and says; who are you going to believe? your husband or your lying eyes???

The times confirm you past posted. There is not soul in this thread that thinks otherwise. So do what you have to do and move on. You are not the first guy that tried this.

if he says he didnt knowingly past post why should he admit to it? close the account give him his deposit and move on.

**blacktownjames** · 01-29-14, 04:34 PM

Sorry BTJ there was a guy named some McIrish who it was about you saying you support stiffing posted by the shrink..

**JayMoney24_7** · 01-29-14, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

OK. This is kind of like the wife who walks in on her husband screwing the neighbor. Afterward the husband denies it and says; who are you going to believe? your husband or your lying eyes???

The times confirm you past posted. There is not soul in this thread that thinks otherwise. So do what you have to do and move on. You are not the first guy that tried this.

More like the wife that gives the husband permission to screw the neighbor, and then acts shocked when she finds them in bed. 5D left a line on a fight with with what appeared to be the correct and fair play time, which fights we know never happen according to schedule, active on their site. I have extensively made it clear I didn't get a chance to see the fight or have the TIME to look up details. I saw an active line with every indication it was still good. The time said start time 10:45pm, line is still up on 5D, fights never start as scheduled, if it's still up must not have started yet. Locked it in at 10:56pm. 5D is almost fully responsible for basically setting a trap. I fell into it due to a time constraint(busy at work), and not having the option to watch the event. I won't get into this again because I already said I wouldn't get sucked back into this sh#t. If I'm guilty of anything it is not being aware that the event had already started, aka not researching the event.

**tb1984** · 01-29-14, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by allabout the $$$

if he says he didnt knowingly past post why should he admit to it? close the account give him his deposit and move on.

Originally posted by tb1984

Easy, did you register an email with 5dimes? I'm sure, yes. Then, just go to that email account, there should be a deposit confirmation for your $1000 cc deposit?

Well, he's been ignoring our requests for posting the time stamp of his $1000 cc deposit.

**Killakrzydav** · 01-29-14, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by tb1984

Well, he's been ignoring our requests for posting the time stamp of his $1000 cc deposit.

Ya, I've noticed that. I'd like to see those as well.

On the other hand, and in all fairness to the OP, I've deposited into an account with a zero balance at started "firing" away at games as soon as the funds hit my account.

**BEANTOWNJIM** · 01-29-14, 04:51 PM

TONY IS THE REAL SHOT TAKER WE ALL KNOW IF THIS BET HAD LOST 5 DIMES WOULD HAVE JUST SAID NOTHING AND KEPT THE MONEY.BUT SINCE THE BET WON TONY SAYS THE GUY PAST POSTED

LENNY FROM CASCADE SPORTSBOOK DID THE SAME THING TO ME AND SBR JOHN THOUGHT THAT WAS FINE BACK IN 2003 SO I GUESS HE STILL THINKS ITS O.K. FOR SPORTSBOOKS TO TAKE SHOTS AT PLAYERS

WHAT IS TONT TRYING TO PROVE HERE JUST GIVE THE F UCKING GUY HIS MONEY HE IS MAKING HIMSELF LOOK LIKE THA ASSHOLE HE REALLY IS

GOOD LUCK DOING BUSINESS WITH TONY AND 5 DIMES YOU SUCKERS

**JayMoney24_7** · 01-29-14, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by tb1984

Well, he's been ignoring our requests for posting the time stamp of his $1000 cc deposit.

You don't know what this thread is about. You continue to bring up a deposit when that has no bearing on the original topic. WHAT PART OF MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN LOCKED FROM DAY 1 DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? I can't get a copy of the deposit time because I don't have access to it. I don't have any emails from 5dimes from deposits. Even if I did I don't get your f'n point. When you make a deposit it's because you want to bet on something. The length of time between your deposit and your bet does not constitute guilt. If it did I've been guilty on every deposit I have ever made. You're trying to attribute guilt to a tendency or way of going about things. Your habits with your br are not my habits or how I manage my br. Read the thread and understand the context of the dispute first please. Not even Tony is disputing my deposit, so it is not a point of conflict. This dispute is basically over, as SBR has passed their ruling, so there is no sense in going on and on about it which is why you never got a response. Now I'm just focused on getting my money back and preserving my dignity in the process. How you go about things and how I go about things are different. That doesn't signify guilt like you say. If you compare my previous deposits and length of time before making a wager, it would be the same. Which means that although I might not match what is NORMAL to you, is perfectly normal and matches my account habits for me. If I had a deposit confirmation with a time stamp I would post it. I've posted everything else. Why would I hide the deposit? Doesn't make sense to me.

**Optional** · 01-29-14, 04:58 PM

You talked your way into looking guilty enough for some (most?) people to no longer believe you. Whatever the truth is. Your refusal to see that just adds to all the other suspicious stuff you have said and (not)done.

Charging back (which I am guessing you have found is not as easy as you hoped) is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Both the bank and anyone that shares a C C risk database with 5D will have you flagged as an increased risk.

If you can't see a way to do what has been asked of you without begging or admitting anything, then you are either a moron or just don't want to comply with anything asked of you, like some bratty child. In which case enjoy your noseless face...

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**chilidog** · 01-29-14, 05:05 PM

I've been away from my house, just having my wife's iphone and wanting to place a bet, and I have unknowingly past-posted before. Granted, we're talking minutes after the football game starting, but past-posting nonetheless. I wasn't aware that I was doing it, as I wasn't in front of a TV to verify if the game had started yet. I just kinda assume that the book is on top of things and if they're letting me bet on the game, then the game hasn't started yet (or so I assume).

**JayMoney24_7** · 01-29-14, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Optional

You talked your way into looking guilty enough for some (most?) people to no longer believe you. Whatever the truth is. Your refusal to see that just adds to all the other suspicious stuff you have said and (not)done.

Charging back (which I am guessing you have found is not as easy as you hoped) is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Both the bank and anyone that shares a C C risk database with 5D will have you flagged as an increased risk.

If you can't see a way to do what has been asked of you without begging or admitting anything, then you are either a moron or just don't want to comply with anything asked of you, like some bratty child. In which case enjoy your noseless face...

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If telling the truth and sticking to it and being adamant about your position is indication of guilt, then so be it. I find it funny you represent everyone. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. If anything bettors are supposed to support eachother which is why I came on here to make it public. When you have a problem, you will seek support too. i hope you receive the same skepticism and lack of support from SBR. When your credit is excellent and you have never had a chargbk in your life on your account, your cc takes up for you for being an honest cardholder. If you like to bow down to another man that is your choice. Like I said in the previous post, everyone is allowed to go about their decisions differently. I refuse to admit to being wrong when I'm not. To each their own.

**Optional** · 01-29-14, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

When your credit is excellent and you have never had a chargbk in your life on your account, your cc takes up for you for being an honest cardholder. If you like to bow down to another man that is your choice. Like I said in the previous post, everyone is allowed to go about their decisions differently. I refuse to admit to being wrong when I'm not. To each their own.

I value integrity myself. You don't act like someone with integrity. You act like a demanding brat who will just keep up the story no matter what.

Seriously, if you are so unreasonable you can't see why 5D might think you are a shot taker, whatever the truth and however Tony chooses to deal with with people he is suspicious of, then you deserve all you get.

You want 100% complete absolution. That's unreasonable however honest you were in those bets.

But it usually takes a genuinely honest person to think reasonably in these situations. Shot takers always dig in their heels to the bitter end from what Ive seen here over the years. ;-)

**JayMoney24_7** · 01-29-14, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Optional

I value integrity myself. You don't act like someone with integrity. You act like a demanding brat who will just keep up the story no matter what.

Seriously, if you are so unreasonable you can't see why 5D might think you are a shot taker, whatever the truth and however Tony chooses to deal with with people he is suspicious of, then you deserve all you get.

You want 100% complete absolution. That's unreasonable however honest you were in those bets.

But it usually takes a genuinely honest person to think reasonably in these situations. Shot takers always dig in their heels to the bitter end from what Ive seen here over the years. ;-)

Since we're throwing people in a box and generalizing based on previous experience, I won't bother responding to an obvious troll and judgemental scumbag. Enjoy your day buddy.

**relaaxx** · 01-29-14, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

Email from Matt:

We have spoken with 5Dimes management.

All you have to do is connect to live help, request Becky or Tony, acknowledge past-posting, request to be paid your actual balance (not derived from said attempts).

Denying it, trying to keep your account open, engaging in a circus isn’t going to solve anything any quicker. Just own up and be on your way.

Regards,
Matt

there is nothing to own up to. believe it was just an honest mistake. just as 5dimes' honest mistake of leaving the line up. if i did this and was in his shoes i would connect to live help-ask for becky-acknowledge i did past post by mistake-request my actual balance(assuming we agree on that balance already,everything except profiting for past post bets)- and move on. this is just the easiest and fastest way to end this. whatever you decide to do is also fine. you are the one that went through this bad adventure. i would be on your side. good luck again jay.

**tb1984** · 01-29-14, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

You don't know what this thread is about. You continue to bring up a deposit when that has no bearing on the original topic. WHAT PART OF MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN LOCKED FROM DAY 1 DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? I can't get a copy of the deposit time because I don't have access to it. I don't have any emails from 5dimes from deposits. Even if I did I don't get your f'n point. When you make a deposit it's because you want to bet on something. The length of time between your deposit and your bet does not constitute guilt. If it did I've been guilty on every deposit I have ever made. You're trying to attribute guilt to a tendency or way of going about things. Your habits with your br are not my habits or how I manage my br. Read the thread and understand the context of the dispute first please. Not even Tony is disputing my deposit, so it is not a point of conflict. This dispute is basically over, as SBR has passed their ruling, so there is no sense in going on and on about it which is why you never got a response. Now I'm just focused on getting my money back and preserving my dignity in the process. How you go about things and how I go about things are different. That doesn't signify guilt like you say. If you compare my previous deposits and length of time before making a wager, it would be the same. Which means that although I might not match what is NORMAL to you, is perfectly normal and matches my account habits for me. If I had a deposit confirmation with a time stamp I would post it. I've posted everything else. Why would I hide the deposit? Doesn't make sense to me.

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

Alright so the challenge is simple. I'm going to try to bubble to $10,000 from $150 in less than 6 months. If I reach that amount early, then I will cashout and start over with $150. If I go broke, then I will be done with gambling for atleast the remainder of that 6 month period. I just cashed out a $1000, which is what remained from the $7,000 I made last week over the bowl games. I gave it all back through poor money management(aka 75% in bets). So the objective is to bubble from $150 to $10,000 in 6 months or less. Win or lose my picks will be posted here.

I don't recommend any one tail my picks. I'm not a great. If anything I might prove to be better fade material. Goodluck and let's get this money!

Start Date: 1/12/14 End Date: 7/12/14 or $10,000
Starting bankroll: $150
Record: (0-0-0)

You posted that in your thread http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...ut-thread.html
You lost your bankroll on the 01/20/14.

That's one of the reason that I want you to post your deposit. From the 01/20 - 01/23, you did not put in any bets. Then, on the 01/24, you saw this opportunity for past-posting, you made the deposit.

**capone1899** · 01-29-14, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by JayMoney24_7

More like the wife that gives the husband permission to screw the neighbor, and then acts shocked when she finds them in bed. 5D left a line on a fight with with what appeared to be the correct and fair play time, which fights we know never happen according to schedule, active on their site. I have extensively made it clear I didn't get a chance to see the fight or have the TIME to look up details. I saw an active line with every indication it was still good. The time said start time 10:45pm, line is still up on 5D, fights never start as scheduled, if it's still up must not have started yet. Locked it in at 10:56pm. 5D is almost fully responsible for basically setting a trap. I fell into it due to a time constraint(busy at work), and not having the option to watch the event. I won't get into this again because I already said I wouldn't get sucked back into this sh#t. If I'm guilty of anything it is not being aware that the event had already started, aka not researching the event.

You're a freaking moron. Just because a line is up it mean the fight hasn't started... get the f out of here! If you had the IQ of more than a rock you might think to turn the fight on to see if it had started yet. NO ONE believes your BS. You tried to bet past post and got caught.
Now pull your panties up and go admit it to 5dimes so you can get your money back....or be a little bitch and try to do a charge back .