SBR MODS I need your help. 5D/Tony are criminals!

[23Edler_Salo6]

Fair criticism. Except for the fact there were many pages asking for an SBR comment and in any case I have nothing to do with complaints. I offered my opinion and prefaced it with "If the facts are close to as (you) stated" clearly meaning I do not know them. So fair enough but I felt a comment would not be inappropriate.

As far as bookmakers behavior, this is not JP Morgan, this is an offshore bookmaker. They all are pretty rough. Even the Euro books are rough. BetFair is brutal as well. If we rated books on their conduct of how they handled scammers they would eventually all be an F. Most guys sorta inherently understand that if you scam a bookie you won't be talking to a geek in a bow tie. So until the poster poll has 5Dimes somewhere other than #1 I would not expect a rating change.

Thanks for the reply. I agree with your analysis as a result of the circumstantial evidence in this thread that the player likely acted with malicious intent and is likely due most of the guilt.

I think that referring to the player ratings as a basis for your ratings is fallacious. Player poll ratings are anecdotal and non-scientific, we can't account for the analysis that went in to the results. I think this is evidenced by what happened with bet islands. Player poll should not be a major indicator for SBR ratings, if any at all.

While your knowledge of offshore business is unquestionably greater than mine, I don't think that discounting my point because "they're all bad" is fair in any sense. I mean, your mission is as a watchdog, to advocate for players. I think that providing information on customer service is an important aspect to this. I also don't believe that "all books would be f" is a fair evaluation. I think if you see a pattern of disrespectful customer service, it cannot harm you to make a point of communicating it to the players you are acting as a watchdog for. Poor csr doesn't need to result in massive, widespread downgrades, but why can't it be apart of your equation when you are mediating a case, and if enough case history indicates that better csr could result in a book having less complaints filed against it, I don't see why this should be discounted so heavily when it can provide efficiencies for all parties.

Typing this on mobile as well as last post. Probably due for several edits again.

[Rangers901]

Fair criticism. Except for the fact there were many pages asking for an SBR comment and in any case I have nothing to do with complaints. I offered my opinion and prefaced it with "If the facts are close to as (you) stated" clearly meaning I do not know them. So fair enough but I felt a comment would not be inappropriate.

As far as bookmakers behavior, this is not JP Morgan, this is an offshore bookmaker. They all are pretty rough. Even the Euro books are rough. BetFair is brutal as well. If we rated books on their conduct of how they handled scammers they would eventually all be an F. Most guys sorta inherently understand that if you scam a bookie you won't be talking to a geek in a bow tie. So until the poster poll has 5Dimes somewhere other than #1 I would not expect a rating change.

You, sir, are not a very bright individual.

In reality, the book is rated #1 because SBR is 99% penny pushers, nothing more, nothing less.

If you honestly think that any other book, other than ones blacklisted, treat customers like this, EVEN the ones who attempted to scam them, then you're far less intelligent than I originally gave you credit for, which wasn't much to begin with.

I can't wait until gambling is regulated in North America, only about 5 major offshore books remain solvent, and SBR becomes a distant memory.

One more question that constantly goes unanswered, since the cheques you were accepting from BetIslands were mainly funds stolen from your customers, why didn't you offer the people anything?

Nothing will ever change here, much like what happened with Covers and BetEd.

[bostonboss]

not to mention they knew betislands was going down and kept them at b+ just so they could get every dollar they could.

[JayMoney24_7]

why won't you show deposit timestamp?

I had to come back to answer this one as I have tried to be as transparent as possible in 9 pages of this thread. Yes I'm pissed off now, no I'm not Tony JR. I'm just frustrated and fed up with telling the truth over & over and still being called a liar. To answer your question, there is no way for me to get or have gotten a copy of the deposit time because my account was locked the next morning as soon as I woke up. If I could just log in I would have gave everyone access to log in and see my transactions and wagers themselves. Or even posted monthly pdfs of my wagers and deposits with the time so you can see my behavior and tendencies. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE OR LIE ABOUT! Damm! If I'm still here it's because obviously I feel strongly about what I am saying. I mean I'm not asking SBR for help nomore. I'm not begging Tony. I already have my situation being addressed in a different way. So the only reason for me still being here is because I'm sticking up for myself. Whether you believe me or not what do I gain from it? Nothing. Yet I care only because I am 100% sure I'm telling the truth and it hurts to see the insults. When you make a deposit you don't anticipate a problem so I didn't take a snapshot of it. I just checked my cc transactions and they list the date not the the time. If I could post a screenshot I would. I've posted screenshots of everything else, why would I obscure a deposit pic? Even if I did make picks right after or near the time after the deposit, isn't that acceptable since when you make a deposit it was with the intention of betting and your mind is focused on it at that moment?

SBR John if you claim to be uninformed and and not fully aware of everything going on, why do you keep calling me a scammer? That is a strong accusation. Biased as hell even. The scammer is Tony and you are just saving face and sticking up for him because you know where the checks come from. I'll send a check too if it buys me some representation.

[Wulfman14]

After review of the evidence and discussion with the sportsbook as well as the player, this is much simpler than what he lays out.

His balance was 0. He deposited $1K solely to take advantage of erroneously listed UFC matches. All his play was staked on matches where outcomes were already known, in other words, about as blatant of a shot as can be took.

He needs to stop trying to obfuscate what happened, own up, ask for his deposit back and go on his way. Trying to sensationalize or keep his account open won't resolve this any sooner. Taking shots like this is a good way to burn a good out.

shocking decision

[Wulfman14]

obfuscate.. i got a good vocabulary but thats a new one i learned

[captrobey]

I had to come back to answer this one as I have tried to be as transparent as possible in 9 pages of this thread. Yes I'm pissed off now, no I'm not Tony JR. I'm just frustrated and fed up with telling the truth over & over and still being called a liar. To answer your question, there is no way for me to get or have gotten a copy of the deposit time because my account was locked the next morning as soon as I woke up. If I could just log in I would have gave everyone access to log in and see my transactions and wagers themselves. Or even posted monthly pdfs of my wagers and deposits with the time so you can see my behavior and tendencies. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE OR LIE ABOUT! Damm! If I'm still here it's because obviously I feel strongly about what I am saying. I mean I'm not asking SBR for help nomore. I'm not begging Tony. I already have my situation being addressed in a different way. So the only reason for me still being here is because I'm sticking up for myself. Whether you believe me or not what do I gain from it? Nothing. Yet I care only because I am 100% sure I'm telling the truth and it hurts to see the insults. When you make a deposit you don't anticipate a problem so I didn't take a snapshot of it. I just checked my cc transactions and they list the date not the the time. If I could post a screenshot I would. I've posted screenshots of everything else, why would I obscure a deposit pic? Even if I did make picks right after or near the time after the deposit, isn't that acceptable since when you make a deposit it was with the intention of betting and your mind is focused on it at that moment?

SBR John if you claim to be uninformed and and not fully aware of everything going on, why do you keep calling me a scammer? That is a strong accusation. Biased as hell even. The scammer is Tony and you are just saving face and sticking up for him because you know where the checks come from. I'll send a check too if it buys me some me some representation.

Are you sure the only reason you are still here is because you feel strongly about what your saying? Or could there be more ? More in the sense of a delicious meat By-Product with a bun?

[SBR_John]

Thanks for the reply. I agree with your analysis as a result of the circumstantial evidence in this thread that the player likely acted with malicious intent and is likely due most of the guilt.

I think that referring to the player ratings as a basis for your ratings is fallacious. Player poll ratings are anecdotal and non-scientific, we can't account for the analysis that went in to the results. I think this is evidenced by what happened with bet islands. Player poll should not be a major indicator for SBR ratings, if any at all.

While your knowledge of offshore business is unquestionably greater than mine, I don't think that discounting my point because "they're all bad" is fair in any sense. I mean, your mission is as a watchdog, to advocate for players. I think that providing information on customer service is an important aspect to this. I also don't believe that "all books would be f" is a fair evaluation. I think if you see a pattern of disrespectful customer service, it cannot harm you to make a point of communicating it to the players you are acting as a watchdog for. Poor csr doesn't need to result in massive, widespread downgrades, but why can't it be apart of your equation when you are mediating a case, and if enough case history indicates that better csr could result in a book having less complaints filed against it, I don't see why this should be discounted so heavily when it can provide efficiencies for all parties.

Typing this on mobile as well as last post. Probably due for several edits again.

The point I was making is even the publicly traded booking companies turn vile when they get scammed. Otherwise we do of course consider customer service.

Jay I apologize if I called you a scammer directly. I don't have any knowledge of your case outside of this thread. I tried to speak of scammers in general and how they are treated at most places.

Here is a tweet from a PM. Not sure what it is or if it helps.

https://twitter.com/BoxingForecast/status/426913184579354624

[bostonboss]

was that time 7 04 eastern/central/mountain/or pacific?

[SBR_John]

was that time 7 04 eastern/central/mountain/or pacific?

I did some research about this fight, and found the result, NOT the start but the end was tweeted by a boxing fanatic at 7:03pm (10:03 PST)

This accompanied the link.

[JayMoney24_7]

This accompanied the link.

Alright so do you want to see what my twitter looks like? It has 4 posts in 3 years following 5 people and orgs total put together. Do you think I use it much?

[relaaxx]

jay - i believe you were not trying to take shot at 5dimes. looks bad. but that's it. good luck in the future. this is one of those threads that has legs on it's own. how much more of your time do you want to lose. again - good luck wish it had turned out more to your liking.

[bostonboss]

moral of this thread is steer clear of 5 dimes...tony leaves lines up to take shots at the customer and there is no way to get any help from sbr.

[SBR_John]

You, sir, are not a very bright individual.

In reality, the book is rated #1 because SBR is 99% penny pushers, nothing more, nothing less.

If you honestly think that any other book, other than ones blacklisted, treat customers like this, EVEN the ones who attempted to scam them, then you're far less intelligent than I originally gave you credit for, which wasn't much to begin with.

I can't wait until gambling is regulated in North America, only about 5 major offshore books remain solvent, and SBR becomes a distant memory.

One more question that constantly goes unanswered, since the cheques you were accepting from BetIslands were mainly funds stolen from your customers, why didn't you offer the people anything?

Nothing will ever change here, much like what happened with Covers and BetEd.

I'm sorry I don't meet your standards of intelligence. But thank you for being part of the site.

SBR has said many times and include it in the TOS that we don't guarantee player funds with any advertiser. Three sponsors have gone under that advertised on SBR Forum. As unfortunate as it is it does happen.

There is a certain irony for you to call someone unintelligent and then claim 5Dimes is number one because 99% of the voting posters are penny pushers.

I would love to see gaming regulated as well. So at least we share one common thought. SBR has not relied on growth or focused in that region for a long time.

[JayMoney24_7]

jay - i believe you were not trying to take shot at 5dimes. looks bad. but that's it. good luck in the future. this is one of those threads that has legs on it's own. how much more of your time do you want to lose. again - good luck wish it had turned out more to your liking.

I wish I had you as a life coach bro...lol. Like really. You have been providing words of wisdom from the beginning. Me being young, dumb, and hardheaded enough to think I can finally have everyone reach that "Oh so he was telling the truth all along" moment is even possible, was stupid on my part to assume. It's impossible to get everyone's approval, and you're also right that I will be here forever literally trying to prove my case as this is an endless thread if I keep responding. Oh well. With that said, thank you for being a voice of reason throughout this whole thing. You come accross as a genuinely good person and that is truely in the 1%. Each time I tried to follow your advice. I promise. I guess maturity and mental fortitude comes with time. No hard feelings to SBR even though it is frustrating. You're a company. Money talks, bs walks. I'm bs in this case because I bring nothing to the table. Genuinely f Tony though. In closing I stand by everything I said day 1, and it won't change because it was the godamn truth. BOL on your bets!
(If I have to close my account to stop responding I will. Hopefully my brain doesn't fail me this time..lol)


Adding one more thing: I challenge Tony to post pdf's of every single deposit slip with the time stamp for it posted and every single wager from day 1 on this thread. I authorize and give consent to that. As long as he doesn't exclude any parts of it. Put every record aside from my cc#'s, name, and other personal info on this thread. I have nothing to hide. Let's see if I "strayed" from my norms. I deposited many times and went all in right after, much less should it be questioned about a mere 40% of the deposit. Call me a stupid bettor if you'd like, but I'm not a liar or a cheater or a scammer.)

[Rangers901]

I'm sorry I don't meet your standards of intelligence. But thank you for being part of the site.

SBR has said many times and include it in the TOS that we don't guarantee player funds with any advertiser. Three sponsors have gone under that advertised on SBR Forum. As unfortunate as it is it does happen.

There is a certain irony for you to call someone unintelligent and then claim 5Dimes is number one because 99% of the voting posters are penny pushers.

I would love to see gaming regulated as well. So at least we share one common thought. SBR has not relied on growth or focused in that region for a long time.

Not surprised at all that you dodged the BetIslands point completely.

I'll ask again, knowing that 95% of BetIslands business came from SBR, why would you not offer your customers something, considering that the cheques that BetIslands was handing you was made up almost entirely of the funds they stole from your customers? Also, why did SBR allow posters to deposit there for weeks, knowing full well that they were going under and were a deposit only book?

You won't answer these questions for one simple, yet significant reason, because it would require you to admit that money is #1, and the player is far done the priority list.

[SBR_John]

Actually Rangers I did answer it. "By playing or signing up under any of the online gambling links posted on this website you assume full responsibility for your actions and will not hold the websites of www.sportsbookreview.com or any associated or affiliated websites or the creators or employees responsible for any losses."

OK, so now you have; 99% of all players voting for 5 Dimes are "penny pushers" and; SBR has to admit its #1 priority is money. No wonder Tony flies off the handle at times. Did you think this was a non profit or gov agency? Do you go to work so you can talk to clowns such as yourself for free? Butch up please. And again, thank you for your participation!

[bostonboss]

so wasn't what sbr did regarding betisdlands unethical? you knew they were going under and still pumped them up and took the money?

[bostonboss]

at least john answered that the money is everything to sbr...(not that we didn't know that already)

[HuskerExpat]

For those that believe this guy, my question for you is what more info would you need to believe this was an intentional past posted bet on his part? The only thing more there could be is his confession, which no one will ever get.

[JayMoney24_7]

For those that believe this guy, my question for you is what more info would you need to believe this was an intentional past posted bet on his part? The only thing more there could be is his confession, which no one will ever get.

This guy would give a newborn the electric chair for a murder that happened in Wyoming based on he was breathing on the day it happened. Thank God he's not a judge. Paranoid schizo to the max. This guy doesn't trust his mother.

[onemoregoal]

u get paid yet?

[Rangers901]

Actually Rangers I did answer it. "By playing or signing up under any of the online gambling links posted on this website you assume full responsibility for your actions and will not hold the websites of www.sportsbookreview.com or any associated or affiliated websites or the creators or employees responsible for any losses."

OK, so now you have; 99% of all players voting for 5 Dimes are "penny pushers" and; SBR has to admit its #1 priority is money. No wonder Tony flies off the handle at times. Did you think this was a non profit or gov agency? Do you go to work so you can talk to clowns such as yourself for free? Butch up please. And again, thank you for your participation!

The BetIslands situation has nothing to do with your "answers." Now, on top of everything that was already covered, you've confirmed you're also an incompetent moron.

[SBR_John]

The BetIslands situation has nothing to do with your "answers." Now, on top of everything that was already covered, you've confirmed you're also an incompetent moron.

Well, considering you are spending a great deal of time on the site I created then let's call it even.

[chilidog]

Well, considering you are spending a great deal of time on the site I created then let's call it even.

[orisbumplut]

10 pages of this is beyond crazy. Anyone with a half a quarter of a brain could see that this guy was trying to scam 5d from the start. And worse was he didn't own up. If I would take exception with Tony it wouldn't be with his conduct to this crook Jay. It would be with his banning of Beantown Jim. Sure Beantown is incredibly annoying and had no right to come to the boards to hurl baseless accusations at 5d and the staff. But BTJ is not a crook and he is so incredibly entertaining, that should have counted for something.

[robmpink]

Lou, subterfuge and obfuscate? You do have an understanding of your primary audience, right? About 1-9 odds he hit the thesaurus when writing that. Swell words and all but it is rather comical.

[onemoregoal]

10 pages of this is beyond crazy. Anyone with a half a quarter of a brain could see that this guy was trying to scam 5d from the start. And worse was he didn't own up. If I would take exception with Tony it wouldn't be with his conduct to this crook Jay. It would be with his banning of Beantown Jim. Sure Beantown is incredibly annoying and had no right to come to the boards to hurl baseless accusations at 5d and the staff. But BTJ is not a crook and he is so incredibly entertaining, that should have counted for something.

NO. He is not a crook and this isnt a scam.
This happens many times at euro books 9/10 they will simply VOID the bet (failry quickly, not DAYS). Occasionally they will honor the bet (wrong odds - not past post)....
Willhill/Paddypower/Ladbrokes - dont hold funds dependent on an apology, either. Or call themselves GOD.

A crook/scam would use fake ************/fake id/maniulate software etc etc.
Not take a bet that is being offered.

[tb1984]

Adding one more thing: I challenge Tony to post pdf's of every single deposit slip with the time stamp for it posted and every single wager from day 1 on this thread. I authorize and give consent to that. As long as he doesn't exclude any parts of it. Put every record aside from my cc#'s, name, and other personal info on this thread. I have nothing to hide. Let's see if I "strayed" from my norms. I deposited many times and went all in right after, much less should it be questioned about a mere 40% of the deposit. Call me a stupid bettor if you'd like, but I'm not a liar or a cheater or a scammer.)

Easy, did you register an email with 5dimes? I'm sure, yes. Then, just go to that email account, there should be a deposit confirmation for your $1000 cc deposit?

[Parlayplayer]

So are all the players who voted 5Dimes the top sportsbook in 2013 and 2014 frauds too?

You, the fellow that never even played there and have zero first hand experience about 5Dimes?? But somehow you think a micro small book with 1/100th the selection and higher juice is better??? I don't want to insult you but your argument is very weak.

John
give me a break man! Really, r u serious? All those players who voted huh. Well let's see, the book gets like 6 pts for a first place vote and a few for second and whatever. With 5dimes getting a whopping 250-300 pts in ur little poster poll, that means they got a grand total of 50 people voting for them give or take. Maybe a total of 80 votes putting them as a top three book to get those pts as ur number one book of the posters. Whooptie freakin doo. Ur site has run it's course, nobody cares and or wastes there time voting except shills and ghosts. That vote Carrys no weight. U get a few us posters to vote cuz that's their only out! Int national players don't need sbr or five dimes so they don't vote for the most part. Lets be real ur sample size her is pathetic just as sbr is becoming. When u advertise that number one poster poll spot, make sure u announce that it's based off a total of 100posters opinion or less so everyone can lol!!

[Parlayplayer]

I'm a business owner too and would agree with you there. But you named a couple of books with just as animated guys at the top. They have stiffed industry folks and paid players in lonnnng drawn out payment plans. Ask them and quote me if you like. And while Tony is no angel he has never stiffed or had anyone on a payment plan.

If you don't want to play there because he roughs up scammers that is one thing. But to say they are not a great book when you have never even tried them is another. They are in a class by themselves when it comes to selection and price.

http://sportsbettingsites.org/news/5dimes-confiscates-over-32k-balance-2500/

Weigh in on this one then! Tony was an outright thief here and ur best mod agreed? Where were u during this fiasco? This was theft period and that's according to Tony's own rule! Love to here ur thoughts!

[SBR_John]

John
give me a break man! Really, r u serious? All those players who voted huh. Well let's see, the book gets like 6 pts for a first place vote and a few for second and whatever. With 5dimes getting a whopping 250-300 pts in ur little poster poll, that means they got a grand total of 50 people voting for them give or take. Maybe a total of 80 votes putting them as a top three book to get those pts as ur number one book of the posters. Whooptie freakin doo. Ur site has run it's course, nobody cares and or wastes there time voting except shills and ghosts. That vote Carrys no weight. U get a few us posters to vote cuz that's their only out! Int national players don't need sbr or five dimes so they don't vote for the most part. Lets be real ur sample size her is pathetic just as sbr is becoming. When u advertise that number one poster poll spot, make sure u announce that it's based off a total of 100posters opinion or less so everyone can lol!!

Most of those guys voting have been around for years and have had accounts at a lot of books. That's a decent sample of experienced players.

I would also not agree SBR has run its course. If you are in London next week you will see SBR battling Oddschecker.com for the top sportsbook marketing site around. A few years ago we were not even in the top 10. BTW, folks have been saying that for years, its a great fade.

5 Dimes gets a lot of intl players these days so your opinion is out dated. They offer as many events as the euros at a better price. I know many of the top Euro marketers and they will tell you 5 Dimes is one of their best converting books.

List the books you think are better and by all means vote if you haven't already.

[onemoregoal]

Who is playing at 5dimes outsdie of US?
Not UK......or asia......
Uganda? They like to gamble.

[bostonboss]

5 dimes owns some Asian bookie.....vietbet or something like that...so maybe some Asians that's it.

[onemoregoal]

yeah i think you are right. Vietbets site looks as shit as 5 dimes.