Large Money Mia From Betfair Account

[simmmy]

If i were the hacker i would of also done this >>>

What is self-exclusion?
Self-exclusion means that your Betfair account will remain closed for a minimum period of six months, and will not be reactivated under any circumstances during the exclusion period (unlike a standard account closure request).

Sorry i had to post that

[aston]

I am still waitng for betfair to email me a update and clear my block to my account so I can see the punts THAT CLEANED OUT MY ACCOUNT! betfair said they would doe this by friday and still have not

[aston]

Orth but I would not wager 160K in 30minutes please go to betfair and see what you have to be considered at PREMINUM pay comm% punter which means that I was the top 0.5% of the best punters in the largest gambling exchange in the world!! (my juice or com% was 20% of my profits I make...I know the fourm will think that this is number is BS what I am saying but go to the website and please verify for yourself gents about the rates charged to thei best gamblers) also again I have to comeback to the fact that betfair has blocked my account and so did the credit card company and why would I waste 5 years of profit and very hard work in 30 mintues. Also if I myself lost this money I would not have filed complaints with Canada Police ,UK police and Interpol.. trust me I do not want to go to jail

[aston]

also betfair has blocked my account in the past due to a odd bet but this time they did not!

[aston]

just to verify the horses were layed

[aston]

I will give betfair until next week to contact me or I will try to contact the mainstream press In UK as I sure they will be interested in my shocking story so far I have found over 80 press contacts that I can email in UK who I think this story is at least worth looking into

[Ortho]

I will say this very, very, very slowly because you don't seem to be understanding.

No bookmaker, not one, zero bookmakers in the world are going to refund even a dollar of your money if your account was accessed from outside and all your money lost, whether you were hacked or not. Not now, not ever. If they did, they would open themselves up to every shot taker in the universe. You can take it to the regulatory authority if you like, but they will side with the bookmaker.

Instead, they are going to say that even if it were someone else that it was your responsibility to keep your passwords and information secure.

If, however, you could argue that your credit card had been fraudulently used, then you might be able to claim with the credit card company.

If you were able to prove that your exclusion limits were exceeded, you might have a case against betfair.

Stop thumping your chest about what a good punter you are. It is totally irrelevant whether you would've done this, or even whether you or someone else did it. It's not going to matter.

If you take this further with a fuzzy story about a hacker entering in the night and joyriding all your money, you will lose, even if the story is true. You need to look at the other ways you might approach this before you lose.

And, write better. If you can't write better, hire someone. It is sad but true that it affects your credibility. Start writing things in reasonable English if you have six figures at risk here, and stop with all the "mate"s and "to be honest"s. It makes you sound like a somewhat poorly educated Brit when you are claiming to be from Canada.

[aston]

Ortho I am just telling the truth about my story ..What other steps can I take? besides the truth I have on my side?? all I am saying is betfair security should have noticed my punting patterns from my history and blocked my account as they have done in the past. Also I am not thumping my chest what a a great punter I am....just stating the facts that I have been on betfair fair for over 5 years and do pay 0.5% comm just to let the fourm know that I would not waste 161K in 30 minutes and I do think that is does matter even if you do not

as for my English I think I am getting my point across but you are correct it can be better but Ortho you do not know the* hell *I have been through

also I am from canada

[Ortho]

Hacker gains control of aston's account. Hacker offers 50,000-1 on a dead cert from aston's account. Hacker's real account places a $1 bet at 50,000-1. Bet wins. Money in hacker's account. Hacker withdraws.

No. Hacker gains control of aston's account. Hacker offers 1 million-1 on dead cert. Bet matched at market price. Bet wins. Money in random person's account.

There aren't any horse racing markets dead enough to pull this off. Antarctic team handball or something, maybe, but BF would've found it. But even unpopular horse racing is never this dead imo (he says the money was all lost quickly, indicating relatively close-to-post). Besides, if the bets were all matched by the same person, BF would've found it.

[Ortho]

Ortho I am just telling the truth about my story ..What other steps can I take? besides the truth I have on my side?? all I am saying is betfair security should have noticed my punting patterns from my history and blocked my account as they have done in the past. Also I am not thumping my chest what a a great punter I am....just stating the facts that I have been on betfair fair for over 5 years and do pay 0.5% comm just to let the fourm know that I would not waste 161K in 30 minutes and I do think that is does matter even if you do not

as for my English I think I am getting my point across but you are correct it can be better but Ortho you do not know the* hell *I have been through

also I am from canada

If I were you I would get some professional advice. Not because you are going to win if you sue anyone, because I don't think you will. But you need to find someone who understands how to frame these things and can organise your complaints for you. If you have this much money at stake you should stop talking in public until you figure out what you want to say. You should demand that betfair give you all the info you need, and you should craft an argument based on the facts that happened that has a reasonable chance of success.

If Betfair shut your account down in the past based on some weird pattern and you told them it was ok and they turned it back on, it weakens your argument that they should've done it this time.

But in general, I think that you should step back from this for a little while, work behind the scenes so that when/if you go public and on the attack your story makes sense and is told clearly.

Get the specific info from betfair. Download your other betting history. If you insist on making the losing argument that this isn't like you and that that somehow matters, at least show all the bets you've ever made and how you've never made bets like this.
If you want to make the argument that betfair should've stopped your bets, explain how and why it should be anyone else's problem to protect your details. I'd think Racing Post gets 20 of these kinds of letters per week. You have to make yours stand out and make sense.

Edited to add: And take Data's advice regarding forsensic analysis of your computer. I don't think it's that helpful, but it can't hurt.

You've got to come up with convincing answers to all these questions before you have a chance. We're a pretty sympathetic forum here compared to IBAS, who are always going to look for a way to side with the bookmaker.

[aston]

I am sure racingpost does get letters similar to mine but not sure about the amount ($161,000)and time (30 minutes) that it took clean out my account also by me going to the Canada police,UK police and Interpol should give me credibilty with the UK Press

[Data]

I am sure racingpost does get letters similar to mine but not sure about the amount ($161,000)and time (30 minutes) that it took clean out my account also by me going to the Canada police,UK police and Interpol should give me credibilty with the UK Press

I think that "30 minutes" time interval gives you very little credibility as if that was done by somebody else that would almost certainly take less time. Actually, no detail you provided thus far gives you any credibility. That is why the results of your computers analyses are so important. This is your only source that can add to your credibility and point the investigation to the right direction.

[aston]

data thay why would I contact Canada Police UK police and Interpol? and we will get the results back for my labtop next week and why did the credit card company block the card? as for the time I think it is VERY IMPORTANT because to bet that amount in that small amount is almost impossible ....because there is time between horse races and it did not raise any red flags with betfair...when my betting history is not even close to that over the last 5 years!

[uneducated Brit]

You're flogging a dead horse with the "I never bet like that" line, this forum is full of hardened gamblers who will know of people who have done very well for long periods of time and then gone on tilt, some of them may even have done it themselves!

If somebody has never lost 10K before, you don't know really how they'll react 'till they do so, and similarly somebody who has lost 30K chasing 10K, we're not machines.


I'm not saying I don't believe you, just stating it is a spurious argument that adds no weight or credibility to your position.

[kiwi]

Orth but I would not wager 160K in 30minutes please go to betfair and see what you have to be considered at PREMINUM pay comm% punter which means that I was the top 0.5% of the best punters in the largest gambling exchange in the world!!

Come on, these 0,5 % are a joke invented by Betfair to appear less greedy. In reality far more people have to pay the premium charges.

Apart from that sorry to hear that you lost so much money.

[chance]

Aston,

I would also write to the Aussie newspapers. Betfair is a very contentious issue in Aussie racing circles.

Also write to onthepunt.com.

How about posting what these bets were from your account when betfair gives you access again.

[uneducated Brit]

**I pay $1000.00 a day on average on commission on betfair everday because of the preminum charge and my turnover rate on punts***


You've become a premium charge player since it was recently introduced, the most anyone pays is 20%, so this would indicate a gross profit of $5,000 a day, ie net of $4,000 a day, I'm not sure if you were exagerating to give weight to your argument but if not that would be $1,460,000 a year, which would make the $161,000 significant but hardly the end of the world.

As per earlier advice in earlier posts you really need to get your story nailed down, have you totally ruled out the possibility of someone you physically know accessing your comp, BF have indicated that the bets were made from your computer as well as your PC, you need to challenge them on this.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

[I]
As per earlier advice in earlier posts you really need to get your story nailed down, have you totally ruled out the possibility of someone you physically know accessing your comp, ....

This is why I asked about wireless encryption - although got no answer. If somebody nearby was snooping that, they'd get everything they need to access the account, use the credit card...... and any access would appear to come from the same IP.

[uneducated Brit]

You interpret BF as saying "The punting got real odd after the 29th", and they are saying "deposits were made after the 29th", when are you saying the half hour of madness took place, you're a day to day player, i can't rem the last time i went even half a day without logging into BF, and I'm not even a pro, can you provide a time line of events?

[simmmy]

I might as well throw this 1 in....

Have you gave access to your PC remotely using Windows remote desktop connection or Go to my PC

http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/affgb/ukkeyword/g25af_uklp?Location=en_GB&Target=mm/g25af_uklp.tmpl&WID=GB&AID=10367558&PID=1785515&SID=M-remote+access+to+pc

[englishmike]

It makes you sound like a somewhat poorly educated Brit when you are claiming to be from Canada.

Solid post. Fvckin Brits.

[Halifax]

data thay why would I contact Canada Police UK police and Interpol?

I don't know a single person here in Canada who would refer to our police as the 'Canada Police'.

We either call them the 'Mounties' or the 'R.C.M.P.'

There's a very, very slight possibility that if we were addressing an international audience, who might not know who the 'Mounties' are, that we would use the term 'Canadian Police' ... but we'd never call them the 'Canada Police'.

[englishmike]

As I've already stated, the problem I feel the poster has is there is nothing that he is alledging happened that he couldn't have done himself....not that I'm suggesting he did, just stating fact. If somebody cleaned their own account out and immiedietly regretted it, this is the story they would invent. Assuming he's telling the truth, that's his biggest problem.

[fiveteamer]

I always call the Canada Police when my bike gets stolded.

[Apologist]

Hi Aston,

sorry to hear about your sudden loss, hope everything works out for you

I have some industry insight, and in my personal opinion, your strategy of somehow finding fault with Betfair (even if thats not your intention, it comes off as just that) will work against your case. Even if someone hacked into your account, Betfair arent responsible for this as they provide acceptable abd the same security to all customers. Betfair will look at the accounts of people on the other side of your unusual bets and if they are "normal" punters with bets matched at typical market prices, they (and any neutral third party) will conclude that no thieves or hackers were involved. You are probably confusing Betfair's exposure limit with some imaginary protection they apparently provide. To the best of my knowledge, betfair will never conclude that a particular bet is not part of your typical betting pattern, prevent that bet and then notify you. This was just the exposure limit issue in the past when you WERE notified, and nothing else. Suppose you place ten thousand $10 bets and then suddenly a $20k bet - if the cash is there and your exposure limit is $20k the bet will go through, you will not be notified, stopped or protected - so this is also not a valid argument to pursue with IBAS or Betfair, in my humble opinion. Also, I didnt understand why your credit card company blocked your credit card. Did you make some large withdrawals back to the card after noticing those strange bets?

Is it may be possible that you actually placed those bets and have somehow forgotten about it? Its known to happen... try to think again, what was the last bets you placed before this happend and whether you were actually trying to get these mug bets on? Any deja vus there?

My two cents anyway, I dont know all the facts (didnt read every post on this thread even). Once again, sorry about the loss and I'm really hoping you get it all back.

[wtf]

i think, if and when bf lets him in again to see the actual wagers that caused this catastrophe a lot of questions will be answered.

hard to beleive anyone would forget wagers of that magnitude.

[JoshW]

I know that Bet Fair security team is looking into the issue. SBR has also had contact with the Bet Fair Canadian account manager who is going to look into this situation.

None of this points to any outcome, but Bet Fair is at least looking specifically at this player's account issues.

[fiveteamer]

That is the intended outcome for the O.P.?

Does he want betfair to give him his money back???

[aston]

Hello I was away most of yesterday evening to watch the Canucks play just to clear my head.

1. ENGISHMIKE I would not have filed complaints with police in vancouver and UK if I was crying wolf *PERIOD* do you think I want o go to jail!!!!!!!!

2.APOLIGIST The block was put on my credit card due to the fact that high amount was tryin to be charged and also betfair has blocked my accounto due to a odd bet.

3.HALIFAX I am from canada a big canucks and lions fan and I did contact RCMP also I could have contacted the vancouver poilce but where I live the RCMP have jurisdiction

4.HEEEHAW From what I I know nobody has has acces to my passowords to my PC and for the Labtop wireless I do not know what your trying to say my wireless is by D LINK and I am not sure exactly what the encryption is?

4.UNEDUCATED BRIT I was away with my wife for a few days that why I did not login in ( was in TOFINO) also I ahve lost money before but that goes with what I do for the last *5YEARS* in all that time I have learned how to lose and win .. also for my comm preminum costs I just started to pay them over tha last few weeks I was betting


5.CHANCE Thank you that info I will contact onthepunt.com

6.JOSH W thank you for trygto help me very much appreciated (you have my email if you need to contact me for more info.


5.ORTHO I have posted in above post of where betfair has had problems please read Sir and your right betfair should have caught them


6.WTF when I get acces to the wagers bet I will post for all to see

7.

[aston]

here another post where BETFAIR ADMIT TO MISTAKE BUT LEAVE CUSTOMERS ON THE HOOK
Re: Bet fair fraud
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw2082
Hi a friend of mine recently had his betfair account used by an unknown person. His account was totally emptied via one bet that was won in full by another player. Bet fair are refusing to help as the person that did the bet logged in first time meaning they knew the password.

This cannot be right that there must be a security fault somewhere, the guy in question dose not use this password for anything else and is not using a wireless network. Also the bet itself was very unlike anything he normally would do ( he is a bookie by trade so he knows his stuff i.e. takes very little risk).
Anyone in the know about where he stands on this matter ?

2 of us have just been cleaned out for over 10000 ten thousand euro.A bet placed on ireland v georgia on 6 sept 2008. somehow they had passwords log in details and cedit card incl cv2 numbers.the money taken from credit cards will be refunded but the ballance of over 3000 that was in our betfair account is gone .Betfair refuse to refund even thouge they concede in an email that unauthorised was gained to both our accounts.Is this part of a wider scam.DONT LEAVE MONEY IN BETFAIR ACCOUNTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aston]

found the above artice at http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...d-betfair.html

[HeeeHAWWWW]

4.HEEEHAW From what I I know nobody has has acces to my passowords to my PC and for the Labtop wireless I do not know what your trying to say my wireless is by D LINK and I am not sure exactly what the encryption is?

Basically when you use your wireless link, anyone outside your home could be listening in (and with a good antenna, that could mean several hundred metres away). If they manage this, everything you send over wireless is potentially compromised.

Thus, you turn on encryption to try block that - if you have this, you will need to enter a password on your laptop when trying to connect to wireless (at least the first time). Then the question becomes whether you're using beyond basic encryption (wep), which is nearly useless nowadays and easy to crack.

[noyb]

this thread is going on and on in annoying circles, it's pointless. the same arguments over and over again, new posters every time that point out how irrelevant your arguments really are and you should come up with a different much better strategy to have any chance of getting a small portion of your money back, despite of this you post the same arguments again and again and again, etc etc etc

the only thing that will breathe new life into this topic is the results of betfairs investigation, the rest is absolutely pointless imo.

[aston]

NOYB if you can think of a better strategy I am more than open to listen and yes you are correct the betfair investigation will bet very important

[Ortho]

No offense, but you're an idiot. If you truly have $160,000 at risk here and you are going to pursue this through a DIY PR campaign and message-board discussion where you write semi-literate screeds every once in a while and don't listen to anything that anyone tells you, you are simply destroying your chance to get your money back. If you have $160k at risk and you don't spend a thousand or two in legal advice getting someone to help you organise your arguments and write your messages to the world on this topic in coherent English, you're being stupid. It's not like you're writing one-line garbage in response to the good points people are marking in this thread but then expressing yourself with clarity when you're talking to Betfair. The smart money is that you aren't making any more sense to them than you are to us and they're soon going to tell you to go away. If you have truly been ripped off here, that's sad.

You're not listening to a word that people (who are mostly willing to be on your side) are telling you. You're just sticking with your stupid story about how this isn't like your betting pattern and you are such a good bettor and blah blah blah that no one but you is ever going to care about. What you are doing is destroying whatever chance you had to get your money back, assuming that you had one to begin with.

I'd write more, but no time--I have to go perform open-heart surgery on myself!