Religious Questions for any Religious people. Thank You.

[QuantumLeap]

There is changing in frequencies of alleles within a population, therefore evolution is a fact. There is variation in traits and variation in reproductive success, therefore evolution is a fact. In optimal conditions, populations will grow beyond that which is necessary to sustain their numbers, because there are checks to such scenarios (famine, fever, fighting), there is competition for resources, therefore evolution is a fact. Novel proteins are integrated by random mutations in the genome which then undergo selection pressure, therefore evolution is a fact.

Not convinced yet?

The Acarophenax is a parasitic mite where incestuous fertilization occurs within the womb of the mother. The haploid son impregnates the daughters, again inside the womb of the mother, and then the brother is eaten by the daughters who proceed to eat their mother from the inside and out. Each mother gives birth to one or few sons and many daughters? Why? Sperm is cheap, the threat of parasites and diseases is minimal because fertilization occurs within the womb and mites have short life cycles, so recessive genes are a non-factor. One haploid son can mate with hundreds and hundreds of daughters, while gene replication in females is tethered to child-bearing, not just releasing eggs. Therefore it pays to have unbalanced sex-allocation ratios in favor of females.


Therefore, evolution is fact.

You've done an excellent job at explaining why evolution exists. However, I think even most religious people believe what you are saying here. I believe what the OP is saying about evolution deals with single cell organisms developing into a complex creature like humans. That hasn't been proven yet.

[nyed1010]

No proof of god

#1. speaking in tongues is practiced by an estimated 100 million Christians in the world today and the number engaging in this practice is growing at a massive rate every year. That is approximately 20% of all Christians.

#2. Nearly everyone acknowledges Karma. Even most non religious people speak of Karma. What is Karma ??? Is it the fish that crawled out of the ocean and became you who brings Karma about ?

#3. What of faith healers like Benny Hinn ? Are they all frauds ?

#4. How did the first organism come about. You know, the one that eventually became you. How did the first one come about ?? And exactly how was is so lucky that this first organism had reproductive organs, a brain, the ability to avoid danger, to eat, to swim, etc. There is clear design in nature. Things diodnt just happen, evolution or not

WTF are #1, #2, and #3 about and how the f*uck does that prove that God exists? Speaking in tongues? Do you mean different languages and dialects. Verbal communication existed long before religion. Karma? Because people believe in a fairly simple concept that is vaguely related to religion, therefore God exists? WTF? And #3??????? I guess you actually believe in this crap:

#4: I am a 2nd year human biology major and don't nearly have the knowledge to explain to you the current hypothesis on the origins of matter and species, so I would advise you to google "the big bang theory" and you could get far better information in the plethora of scholarly papers on this topic, rather than me explaining it. One thing I will say is that there is simply no definite answer to that question. See this is where you get it all wrong. You jesus freaks claim that science is the arrogant one, while science is based on evidence and science isn't ashamed or afraid in saying "we don't know how this or that happened because we do not have the evidence for it", while religion says "this happened for sure and this is exactly what this and that is, we don't have a shred of evidence to back our claims, but we can assure you that this happened this way". That is the arrogance of religion.

[nyed1010]

HMMM. So science was wrong about the world being flat and laughed at the guy who first said it was round ( HOW DID HE KNOW ??????? ). But lets forget about all that, after all there wasnt enough tech and info ( HOW DID HE KNOW ???????). so if 100 years from now, there is new tech and info to make it clear that evolution didnt exactly happen like you think then thats to just be forgotten about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism

I advise you to read up on the matter before you make such inane comments about it. What else were these people supposed to think. When they stood on flat ground, they didn't tilt to a particular side indicating the Earth was anything but flat. They didn't have any special scientific instruments other than their 5 senses. Of course they were going to believe the Earth was flat, but once they began to have a better understanding of the Earth, location of the stars and the planets and they way they moved during the day and night, gravity etc. It's all a moot point because the comparison between believing the Earth was flat and the theory of evolution is just comical. One had minimal evidence and was just based on default logic and the other is supported by mountains of evidence.

[JBT]

And trust me Im not trying to make some christians mad or start a fight. I will say it now, even though i do have questions I would much quicker believe the Bilble/God than Evolution/Darwin.

So what's so wrong with the evolution theory that you would rather believe in a fairytale?

[JBT]

You've done an excellent job at explaining why evolution exists. However, I think even most religious people believe what you are saying here. I believe what the OP is saying about evolution deals with single cell organisms developing into a complex creature like humans. That hasn't been proven yet.

It's not like it happened over night, there were millions of mutations required during course of billions of years for a single cell organism to evolve into the sophisticated beings that we are here to witness today... so while it's hard to imagine something so amazing, especially knowing how complex our bodies are (as well as those of other living organisms), I don't see why anyone would find it unimaginable (not necessarily referring to you).

[nyed1010]

You've done an excellent job at explaining why evolution exists. However, I think even most religious people believe what you are saying here. I believe what the OP is saying about evolution deals with single cell organisms developing into a complex creature like humans. That hasn't been proven yet.

You have to be kidding me. Have you seen the fossil record? People that know nothing about the subject should not comment on it. There is a pretty clear line of evolution from a single cell organism to the complex species of today. Of course, there are certainly holes in this long line for obvious reasons, but the evidence is still pretty substantial. Here is a nice little video:

[JBT]

NYED,

Can you tell me some things. If there is no god and evolution is correct,

Why did Humans not evolve to another species ? Why is there not half fish/half frogs ?

Perhaps because it takes slightly longer than about 200,000 years (anatomically modern humans) for one species to evolve into another?

While evolution is taking place all the time (and all around us), a humanly perceivable difference in humans and other mammals just takes much too long to be witnessed in a human lifetime. At least as far as humans and other slowly reproducing living beings are concerned - after all, reproduction is the key, as we don't usually just grow new limbs and abilities during a lifetime. It takes lots and lots of generations for evolutionary changes to occur, and the more generations in a short span you have, the more quickly evolution happens... There's also a matter of complexity of the organism, where organisms of lesser complexity will obviously take less generations to be influenced by incremental changes in their DNA (as even the slightest change will have a proportionally greater influence on the makeup of such an organism).

Stick around for another several millions of years and you just might be surprised... Might not even take us that long with all the bullshit and world of hurt we are inflicting upon our mother Earth and ourselves. Atmospherical changes are just one of the potential factors that will eventually over a long span have an influence on our future evolution... that is, if we manage to survive that long / don't kill ourselves first.

[JBT]

Hey genius, perhaps you will enlighten us with your devine wisdom by explaing the origins of water on our planet?

You mean the two atoms of Hydrogen and one atom of Oxygen?

"The most abundant element in the universe is Hydrogen. When the earth began to coalesce, there was a lot of hydrogen, oxides of iron, manganese and other rock forming minerals.

As the earth cooled, solidified hydrogen and either free oxygen gas or oxygen from mineral forms reacted to form water. (water is the third most abundant compound in the universe, behind hydrogen and helium)."

It only took a few billion years after that for God to be created But of course, it's much easier to write it off to God and his almighty, never to be questioned power, than to understand the basics of chemistry...

[pronk]

Is that so meathead! Whatever happened to your most abundant elements- two atoms of Hydrogen and one atom of Oxygen on earth's satellite called Moon? If its so abundant, how come H20 isn't there professor

[nobs]

Perhaps because it takes slightly longer than about 200,000 years (anatomically modern humans) for one species to evolve into another?

While evolution is taking place all the time (and all around us), a humanly perceivable difference in humans and other mammals just takes much too long to be witnessed in a human lifetime. At least as far as humans and other slowly reproducing living beings are concerned - after all, reproduction is the key, as we don't usually just grow new limbs and abilities during a lifetime. It takes lots and lots of generations for evolutionary changes to occur, and the more generations in a short span you have, the more quickly evolution happens... There's also a matter of complexity of the organism, where organisms of lesser complexity will obviously take less generations to be influenced by incremental changes in their DNA (as even the slightest change will have a proportionally greater influence on the makeup of such an organism).

Stick around for another several millions of years and you just might be surprised... Might not even take us that long with all the bullshit and world of hurt we are inflicting upon our mother Earth and ourselves. Atmospherical changes are just one of the potential factors that will eventually over a long span have an influence on our future evolution... that is, if we manage to survive that long / don't kill ourselves first.

He said it took 10,000 years,
another evolution freak said humans were millions of years old, now the last evolution freak said humans were 200,000 years old so now you say evolution takes "slightly over 200,000 years". LOL. You guys just make up whatever numbers you need to justify your incorrect theory, and when those numbers are proven wrong, you just make up new numbers.

[nobs]

WTF are #1, #2, and #3 about and how the f*uck does that prove that God exists? Speaking in tongues? Do you mean different languages and dialects. Verbal communication existed long before religion. Karma? Because people believe in a fairly simple concept that is vaguely related to religion, therefore God exists? WTF? And #3??????? I guess you actually believe in this crap:

#4: I am a 2nd year human biology major and don't nearly have the knowledge to explain to you the current hypothesis on the origins of matter and species, so I would advise you to google "the big bang theory" and you could get far better information in the plethora of scholarly papers on this topic, rather than me explaining it. One thing I will say is that there is simply no definite answer to that question. See this is where you get it all wrong. You jesus freaks claim that science is the arrogant one, while science is based on evidence and science isn't ashamed or afraid in saying "we don't know how this or that happened because we do not have the evidence for it", while religion says "this happened for sure and this is exactly what this and that is, we don't have a shred of evidence to back our claims, but we can assure you that this happened this way". That is the arrogance of religion.

You know good and well what speaking in tongues is.

[teddyd]

seems like the wrong place to be asking these questions...

[mrtomk]

The science community mocked the guy who said the world was round, until it was proven beyond a doubt, and then the idea was accepted. Science acknowledges its own flaws. It openly admits it has been wrong in the past and strives for truth. Religion doesn't.

A book written by his fans saying Jesus healed the sick isnt proof, a book saying he walked on water isnt proof, people seeing these things in the same way people see magic tricks isnt proof, the fact he was a great man isnt proof, followers arent proof (Hitler had millions of followers and will be talked of for millenia, right-wing facists will still salute, it doesnt mean he was right), speaking in tongues isnt proof, the fact people acknowledge karma (more as an approach to life, than a scientific fact, and unrelated to Christianity) isnt proof.

Personally, whilst I am a skeptic with regard to if the stories of the bible took place, I think there is a lot to take from its teaching on how to live your life. I think Jesus was likely a great man, with great intentions, and had a kindness that people should try to emulate for another 2,000 years. I just don't think he was the son of God, because nobody has shown me evidence.

I am truly happy for anyone who has had their life improved by the teachings of the Bible, it just doesn't prove anything...

[mrtomk]

One thing I will say is that there is simply no definite answer to that question. See this is where you get it all wrong. You jesus freaks claim that science is the arrogant one, while science is based on evidence and science isn't ashamed or afraid in saying "we don't know how this or that happened because we do not have the evidence for it", while religion says "this happened for sure and this is exactly what this and that is, we don't have a shred of evidence to back our claims, but we can assure you that this happened this way". That is the arrogance of religion.

This...

[kiln]

#4: I am a 2nd year human biology major...

This impugns your qualifications for the serious discussion of science rather than substantiates them.
But, you are wise beyond your education.

See this is where you get it all wrong. You jesus freaks claim that science is the arrogant one, while science is based on evidence and science isn't ashamed or afraid in saying "we don't know how this or that happened because we do not have the evidence for it", while religion says "this happened for sure and this is exactly what this and that is, we don't have a shred of evidence to back our claims, but we can assure you that this happened this way". That is the arrogance of religion.

You speak the truth.

[JBT]

He said it took 10,000 years,
another evolution freak said humans were millions of years old, now the last evolution freak said humans were 200,000 years old so now you say evolution takes "slightly over 200,000 years". LOL. You guys just make up whatever numbers you need to justify your incorrect theory, and when those numbers are proven wrong, you just make up new numbers.

I believe he said tens of thousands of years... or something to that extent. If you had read all that has been written in this thread, you would've understood by now what is being said here, instead of taking things out of context. All this, of course, assuming the level of your intelligence is capable of comprehending things more complex than the easiest explanation floating around, which has been systematically abused for the last 2,000+ years by a certain establishment in order to control and brainwash simple minded people like you seem to be, based on your responses.

Some organisms take longer and some take less to evolve... take bacteria for example! Can you deny evolution in this case? What about viruses and germs growing resistant of modern day medications every day? Can you deny that? My 200,000 years was referring to the human race and when a being, anatomically most similar to us came to be (mind me, not out of thin air), but of course there will always be people like you who just can't comprehend that evolution is an everlasting progress happening all the time and it's not like it just stopped 200,000 years ago (for humans), just because you and I can't see it due to it's slow progress... As has been said already, some organisms take longer, some take less. One of the main factors, on which the speed and course of evolution depend on, apart from those already mentioned in previous posts (speed of reproduction, etc) is the change of the environment we live in and consequently our living conditions to which we have to ADAPT. One evolves because of the need to adapt to the new obstacles it faces and the change in the last 200,000 years so far apparently just hasn't been substantial enough to warrant a more aggressive evolutionary progress. There is no constant pace at which organisms evolve, there are just too many variables involved! But don't feel depressed for not understanding a thing I am saying, there always were and always will be people who prefer "magic" to science and are content with the easiest explanation of them all, even if it's there just to make them follow the herd and not question the powers that be (and I am not talking about God here). Now go find a witch to burn...

[JBT]

There is nothing wrong with being religious (having faith) if that is what you need to get through the burdens of life. If it's a story that gives you a peace of mind and makes you feel better that's one thing, but when it puts you on an offensive front, calling people who believe in science and verified empiric facts "evolution freaks", if it makes you burn scientific books and sends you on crusades to foreign countries to impose your own beliefs and your own "God" onto other cultures with force, that's just inexcusable...

[valaub04]

you guys with science as your basis seem to be getting really upset. i'm also surprised no one has advocated instanton theory in addition to big bang. i;m on the jesus freak team, btw,

[N.O.S.]

There is nothing wrong with being religious (having faith) if that is what you need to get through the burdens of life. If it's a story that gives you a peace of mind and makes you feel better that's one thing, but when it puts you on an offensive front, calling people who believe in science and verified empiric facts "evolution freaks", if it makes you burn scientific books and sends you on crusades to foreign countries to impose your own beliefs and your own "God" onto other cultures with force, that's just inexcusable...

Also there is nothing wrong with being stupid.

[JBT]

Is that so meathead! Whatever happened to your most abundant elements- two atoms of Hydrogen and one atom of Oxygen on earth's satellite called Moon? If its so abundant, how come H20 isn't there professor

Are you guys kidding me with these questions? What is this, elementary school? Don't you guys have a thing called education in your neck of woods? Because these are pretty basic things you bunch are "asking", thinking there is no answer to it... and I must admit I find it pretty sad. I guess it makes more sense now though why some of you are so fast in attributing everything to Gods almighty power, since you know no better and appear to not even care enough to educate yourself about it. Pretty scary when you think about it.

While for a long time there has been no physical evidence of water detected on the Moon, recent history did suggest the likelihood of it being there. It's form and amounts have been a subject of discussion for a long time, but before I make a revelation that will apparently shock you and turn your apprehension of the world and life in general upside down, let me first take you a few billion years back into our history...

Just like the Earth in it's early history, Moon had to be bombarded with water-bearing comets and asteroids (which are believed to have brought at least part of the water to the Earth - whether in form of ice (water itself) or as its main components), so at some point in time there must've been water on the Moon as well. Other possible sources are not excluded.

You don't have to be a genius to realize that since the Moon has only a tiny fraction of Earth's gravity (and as a result a very low atmospheric pressure), most of it's water supply should probably have evaporated and drifted off into space long time ago, which is part of the reason why we could not see it upon landing nor using the telescopes.

I say most, because that does not necessarily mean ALL. In fact - by now we already know that there IS in fact water present on the Moon as has been reported by NASA in 2009. If my memory serves me right, some 100 liters of "water" have been released from the Moons "surface" as a result of an intentional crash of part of a crater observation satellite into a permanently shadowed region of a crater near the Moons south pole that never saw sunlight (we are talking about billions of years here!).

This was no small discovery and your approach to the matter and the fact that you have no idea about it unfortunately speaks for itself...

[JBT]

Also there is nothing wrong with being stupid.

Keep telling yourself that my friend
I myself prefer being on the other side of the equation, but to each its own...

[princecharles]

very good questions...any good answers other than from here?

[pronk]

JBT, you're starting to talk like Adolf

[JBT]

JBT, you're starting to talk like Adolf

Is this the best reply you could come up with? Because if you are done insulting me, you could perhaps take a second to actually thank me for trying to educate your sorry ignorant ass. I might be expecting too much though, seeing as education is apparently not all that high on your priority list.

I guess when all your delusional arguments fail, comments like this one are all you are left with...

[JohnGalt2341]

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah:

[pronk]

Is this the best reply you could come up with? Because if you are done insulting me, you could perhaps take a second to actually thank me for trying to educate your sorry ignorant ass. I might be expecting too much though, seeing as education is apparently not all that high on your priority list.

I guess when all your delusional arguments fail, comments like this one are all you are left with...

"To each its own" or "Jedem das Seine" is a very famous Nazi slogan from Buchenwald concentration camp pal. And until you and your well educated pinko scientists can explain the origins of water on our planet and lack of it on Moon- please: SHUT THE HELL UP!

[pronk]

BTW, your silly theories suck and try keeping them to yourself.

[JBT]

"To each its own" or "Jedem das Seine" is a very famous Nazi slogan from Buchenwald concentration camp pal. And until you and your well educated pinko scientists can explain the origins of water on our planet and lack of it on Moon- please: SHUT THE HELL UP!

I obviously meant it as an english proverb meaning that an individual has a right to his own preference and/or belief, no matter how stupid it might be/seem to me. I guess I could also say "different strokes for different folks", not quite the same, but close enough. Let me know if you need any further explanation...

As far as me explaining the "lack" of water on the Moon, lmao you delusional troll... I just did like eight posts above this one in my reply to you, post #90 (let me link that for you). Are you illiterate as well? Because you do seem to be able to write, even if it often makes little to no sense... Seriously, I don't want to have to resort to insults, but your replies are ******* embarrassing.

[uva3021]

You've done an excellent job at explaining why evolution exists. However, I think even most religious people believe what you are saying here. I believe what the OP is saying about evolution deals with single cell organisms developing into a complex creature like humans. That hasn't been proven yet.

It only took you nine months.

Tell me, at what point does god step in and say "hold it right there fruit fly, that's enough change out of you"

[LegitBet]

Evolution vs creation is not the same as certitude of G-d vs not believing

[danso]

a lot of funny cartoon videos posted in here lol

[pronk]

As far as me explaining the "lack" of water on the Moon, lmao you delusional troll... I just did like eight posts above this one in my reply to you, post #90 (let me link that for you). Are you illiterate as well? Because you do seem to be able to write, even if it often makes little to no sense... Seriously, I don't want to have to resort to insults, but your replies are ******* embarrassing.

Answer these questions dummkopf (try not to blow your only fuse):

Random mutation, the heart of Darwin's theory, has been shown to be severely limited in evolving new functional genes. There is no known example of the formation of a new species. The slow steps of evolution through selection cannot explain the irreducible complexity of the 40-piece rotary motor in the bacterial flagellum. If just one part of the motor is not in place, the motor won't work.
Darwin said, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
Can you answer what is the original cause of the relative positioning of the sun, moon and earth?????
You and your Neo Darwinist patsies have yet to propose a solid theory for the beginning of life. What environment and mixture of minerals, water, sunlight, temperature and atmosphere caused the first living cell to develop?
If evolution were a fact, then humans at the top of the evolution process should be the most advanced of all the species in all areas.
If evolution - and its survival of the fittest is true - why didn't the fastest runner, highest flyer, fastest fish, or the specie that produces the most offspring, or the specie that is the largest and strongest, evolve to dominate and wipe out their competitors?
What caused human beings to be the only “kind” to have a lumbar curve in their lower backbone, enabling us to stand and sit in an upright position, and carry heavy loads while walking?
Evolutionists say there are 15 million insect species, 2 million marine species, more millions of bird and animal species. Yet, only one- humans - developed language. If evolution is true - that species evolve continually higher and better - why haven't other species developed language?

How did the sexes come to be?

What was in the beginning? If the universe was entirely empty space except for a small mass of matter that created the universe by spontaneously exploding and steadily expanding throughout empty space. What caused that small mass of matter to explode?
Why there is order in all of creation? How did nothing create everything? Why does every sane person have a conscience?

[nobs]

I was just asking some religious questions.

I only brought up evolution in the OP, because I didnt want someone to think i was slamming religion.

The only reason I brought up Evolution was to say that I have questions about both evolution and religion.

I guess its Ok to have questions about religion but not about evolution.

Everyone has a right to their opinions.

[QuantumLeap]

You have to be kidding me. Have you seen the fossil record? People that know nothing about the subject should not comment on it. There is a pretty clear line of evolution from a single cell organism to the complex species of today. Of course, there are certainly holes in this long line for obvious reasons, but the evidence is still pretty substantial. Here is a nice little video:

I have seen the fossil record. Your comment about not knowing about a subject is a lame attempt to discredit my point.

I think what is really telling is your point about holes being in the long line of evolution. When you are talking about billions of years of change there are hundreds of millions of years that are not accounted for. This is not a logical way to make a point. It's piecemeal progression.

There are many people who have solid arguments against the line of evolution and no, it is not clear. That 7-minute Youtube video only explains a very little part of change. Take a look at pronk's post above to see that there are intelligent contradictions to the theory of evolution. Many other intelligent refutations can be found for the theory of evolution. There's a reason it's still called a "theory", because it hasn't been proven.

[pronk]

Nobs, atheists and evolutionists are very touchy and angry australopithecines