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  • BriGuy
    SBR MVP
    • 12-06-11
    • 1556

    #10466
    Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
    I'm not defending anyone, especially law enforcement, who sometimes fukk up bigly. But, I don't see the outrage. They apologized, asked her how could they make it better. Why people have to get triggered by every little thing is beyond me.
    And it is beyond me how someone can be perfectly cool with law enforcement breaking and entering into a private business, taking her property without permission, laughing about it, and then issuing a completely empty apology the following week.
    Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
    and I've had law enforcement over my house many times. Eat my barbecue, lounge by the pool and yes, use my bathrooms. That's what good citizens do.
    Your comparison is completely moronic. Tell us: Were you home when they came over and were you hosting them as a friend? Or did they abuse their authority to break into your house without your knowledge and without your permission and stay there for hours and cook some BBQ and use your pool and help themselves to your personal possessions while your alarm went off?

    But you go ahead and defend disgusting, unlawful abuse of powers. We're headed toward a totalitarian state anyways, so congrats on being a POS taking part in that.
    Last edited by BriGuy; 08-13-24, 09:59 AM.
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    • khicks26
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 09-16-06
      • 45546

      #10467
      Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
      I'm not calling anyone that works a freeloader. You work, you get paid. You get paid less than the federal taxable minimum, you don't pay taxes. You get paid over the allowed amount, you should have to pay taxes just like everyone else. Many jobs simply are not going to get you rich. Most people waiting on tables know that.


      I totally agree we have a debt problem. So, why do you want to make it worse with this? Politicians on both sides make promises they know the bill will be paid later. This topic is one of them. Promise a handful of people (service people of which we're talking about just 3% of the population) to not tax them, when in reality more than half of these workers don't pay taxes anyway. Then allow a loophole for the wealthy to exploit, which will cause $200 Billion in excess debt per year. Why wouldn't Taylor Swift just get paid in tips at her tens of millions of dollars concerts.
      Josh is a lying POS that lives off the backs of workers, he produces nothing and lives on economic rents. He will surely be one of the assclowns saying he's paid in tips.

      Neoliberalism is a fuking lie and clowns like Josh perpetuate that lie for personal gain, then accuse everyone else of doing the same.

      As for tips, make the min wage a living wage. Tipping followed slavery when black people were paid nothing but tips.
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      • DwightShrute
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-17-09
        • 102869

        #10468
        Originally posted by Hareeba!
        Trump slams immigrants.

        In interview with immigrant.

        While married to an immigrant.

        With 4 kids born to two different immigrants.

        Who's VP is married to daughter of immigrants.

        Make it MAKE SENSE.
        A condom would have prevented this post above ^

        Hey everyone, let's just pretend there is no difference between legal and illegal immigrants. Let's post a silly tweet from a lunatic activist to SBR and see how many lunatics will fall for it.

        If its not a mental disorder, than what would you call it?
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        • DwightShrute
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-17-09
          • 102869

          #10469
          Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
          Trumps grandaddy was an immigrant. This country was built on immigrants. We need immigrant talent to move forward innovation. Elon Musk is a fukking immigrant. Silicon Valley is all immigrants. The sad truth is that our kids are too dumb to create, invent. Very few are going for masters and PhDs. So companies have to import talent from elsewhere. This country has outpaced every other company because we've welcomed immigrants. Trump understands this but also knows he can play both sides by stoking fear.
          Legal immigrants.

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          • BOA12
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 02-19-12
            • 20622

            #10470
            Originally posted by khicks26
            Josh is a lying POS that lives off the backs of workers, he produces nothing and lives on economic rents. He will surely be one of the assclowns saying he's paid in tips.

            Neoliberalism is a fuking lie and clowns like Josh perpetuate that lie for personal gain, then accuse everyone else of doing the same.

            As for tips, make the min wage a living wage. Tipping followed slavery when black people were paid nothing but tips.

            Piano man a man of We The People Again.

            Right on my black and true blue brother.
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            • Mac4Lyfe
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 01-04-09
              • 48368

              #10471
              Originally posted by BriGuy
              And it is beyond me how someone can be perfectly cool with law enforcement breaking and entering into a private business, taking her property without permission, laughing about it, and then issuing a completely empty apology the following week.
              Your comparison is completely moronic. Tell us: Were you home when they came over and were you hosting them as a friend? Or did they abuse their authority to break into your house without your knowledge and without your permission and stay there for hours and cook some BBQ and use your pool and help themselves to your personal possessions while your alarm went off?

              But you go ahead and defend disgusting, unlawful abuse of powers. We're headed toward a totalitarian state anyways, so congrats on being a POS taking part in that.
              We must have read two different things. Where are you reading that they broke into her salon? Where does it say that they stole property? Of course I would not agree with that but I didn't see either in what was posted here.
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              • Mac4Lyfe
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 01-04-09
                • 48368

                #10472
                Originally posted by DwightShrute
                Legal immigrants.
                Legal to who? You? Republicans? Dems? American Indians? You don't even live in the US. Who are you to tell me who's legal? Every person in this country got here undocumented, except the Indians who were here first. America was formed by millions of undocumented immigrants from the beginning. You do know that grandpa Trump entered the US illegally? He was an undocumented immigrant who left Germany, to dodge the fukking military. Trumps dad lied for years that they were from Scandinavia instead of Germany so that they could work with Jews.


                On October 7, 1885, Friedrich Trump, a 16-year-old German barber, bought a one-way ticket for America, escaping three years of compulsory German military service. He had been a sickly child, unsuited to hard labor, and feared the effects of the draft. It might have been illegal, but America didn’t care about this law-breaking—at that time, Germans were seen as highly desirable migrants—and Trump was welcomed with open arms. Less than two weeks later, he arrived in New York, where he would eventually make a small fortune. More than a century later, his grandson, Donald Trump, became the 45th president of Friedrich’s adopted home.
                Trump is the son, and grandson, of immigrants: German on his father’s side, and Scottish on his mother’s. None of his grandparents, and only one of his parents, was born in the United States or spoke English as their mother tongue. (His mother’s parents, from the remote Scottish Outer Hebrides, lived in a majority Gaelic-speaking community.)

                Friedrich Trump came to the United States amid a flood of Germans—that year alone, an estimated 1 million made the journey to settle in America. It was, the Times reported, “the start of an adventurous life as a barber, restaurateur, saloonkeeper, hotelier, entrepreneur, gold rush prospector, shipwreck survivor and New York real-estate investor.”


                He married a woman from his German hometown, Kallstadt, where his parents had owned vineyards, and attempted to return home with his fortune. But when his draft dodging came to the fore, the couple lost their Bavarian citizenship and were obliged to return to America for good. There, they had three children: Trump’s father, Fred, was the middle child. Born in the Bronx borough of New York City in 1905, Fred Trump was an all-American child who spoke no German. Later, he would become one of the city’s most successful young businessmen, amassing a fortune even as many around him slumped into financial ruin.


                Trump’s international origins make him relatively unusual among American presidents. Of the last 10 presidents, only two—Trump and Barack Obama—have had a parent born outside of the United States. Trump’s own immediate family has been similarly international: Two of his three wives were naturalized American citizens, originally from the Czech Republic and Slovenia. Only one of his five children, Tiffany, is the child of two American-born citizens, while his daughter, Ivanka, is the first Jewish member of the First Family in American history.
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                • ByeShea
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 06-30-08
                  • 8079

                  #10473
                  Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

                  Friedrich Trump came to the United States amid a flood of Germans—that year alone, an estimated 1 million made the journey to settle in America. It was, the Times reported, “the start of an adventurous life as a barber, restaurateur, saloonkeeper, hotelier, entrepreneur, gold rush prospector, shipwreck survivor and New York real-estate investor.”
                  A frontier barber, restauranteur, saloon keeper, hotelier, entrepreneur ... in other words, he was a pimp.
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                  • Mac4Lyfe
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 01-04-09
                    • 48368

                    #10474
                    Guys like Dwight should really read up on history. How ironic that Trumps grandad fled Germany because he was a coward, entered the US as an illegal immigrant in one of the largest illegal mass migrations of immigrants ever, he tried to go back to Germany but they kicked him out for not paying taxes and not serving his country, so he came back to the US and died due to a pandemic (Spanish influenza) that killed millions of people. Yet his grandson, who married illegal immigrants wants to deny other immigrants and denied a global pandemic. You really can't make that shit up.
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                    • Optional
                      Administrator
                      • 06-10-10
                      • 61163

                      #10475
                      Originally posted by Hareeba!


                      And now NYT writes a whole ass article on Trump/Musk Spaces and didn’t mention his slurring mush mouf once but they did find it possible to write 1500 articles on Biden’s age in 3 weeks!!!
                      It did not happen for all listeners.

                      My son is a bit of a Trumptard and listened to it all.

                      Neither of us noticed anything strange about Trump's voice.

                      It was fun being able to needle my son in real time about what a dumbass his literal words make him sound like though.

                      Son's only response was the same as Dwight's default deflection. "Oh he does not mean what his words just said. Obviously he really means XYZ"
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                      • Optional
                        Administrator
                        • 06-10-10
                        • 61163

                        #10476
                        Originally posted by jt315

                        Imagine turning down a platform that drew over 1 billion views because your policies are so inept and not even sitting for a “home field” interview three weeks after your coronation . But she’s working on it .


                        But let’s put out another statement about how dangerous Donald Trump is . She’s the pants suit version of the forgetful old man they kicked to the curb .
                        Smart people recognize when it's smart for them to keep their mouth closed.

                        Then there is Donald Trump, who appears about to lose the unlosable election by a landslide because he can't stop words like low-IQ, crazy and radical leftie tumbling out of his mouth in answer to any sort of question


                        Harris camp is letting Donald look even more age impaired in comparison to her, than he made Biden look compared to him in the past.

                        Imagine being such a terrible strategist to have bullied the non-opponent out of the race. I'm sure he and MAGA found it hilarious as they did it though.
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                        • Mac4Lyfe
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 01-04-09
                          • 48368

                          #10477
                          Originally posted by ByeShea
                          A frontier barber, restauranteur, saloon keeper, hotelier, entrepreneur ... in other words, he was a pimp.
                          I ain't mad at him. He made generational wealth for his family.


                          When young Friedrich arrived in New York in 1885 he joined around 200,000 of his compatriots who had already settled in the metropolis, forming a distinct “Little Germany”. After working for six years as a barber, he was caught by the Gold Rush, moved west and opened up a chain of restaurants and hotels in Washington State and British Columbia. Hospitality did not only include food and lodging, but also alcohol and prostitution. Friedrich anglicised his name to Frederick and became a US citizen.
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                          • BOA12
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 02-19-12
                            • 20622

                            #10478
                            Originally posted by Optional
                            It did not happen for all listeners.

                            My son is a bit of a Trumptard and listened to it all.

                            Neither of us noticed anything strange about Trump's voice.

                            It was fun being able to needle my son in real time about what a dumbass his literal words make him sound like though.

                            Son's only response was the same as Dwight's default deflection. "Oh he does not mean what his words just said. Obviously he really means XYZ"
                            Kids today, who can understand them?
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                            • jt315
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 11-12-11
                              • 21817

                              #10479
                              Originally posted by Optional
                              Smart people recognize when it's smart for them to keep their mouth closed.

                              Then there is Donald Trump, who appears about to lose the unlosable election by a landslide because he can't stop words like low-IQ, crazy and radical leftie tumbling out of his mouth in answer to any sort of question


                              Harris camp is letting Donald look even more age impaired in comparison to her, than he made Biden look compared to him in the past.

                              Imagine being such a terrible strategist to have bullied the non-opponent out of the race. I'm sure he and MAGA found it hilarious as they did it though.
                              So you’re saying she’s not dumb enough to let people know how dumb she is .

                              That worked for three and a half years with the man she replaced and then something called a debate happened .

                              Good luck this this time around . I hear she’s “evolving” on key campaign issues . Lol ! Can’t wait to hear that word salad .
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                              • Mac4Lyfe
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 01-04-09
                                • 48368

                                #10480
                                Originally posted by BriGuy
                                And it is beyond me how someone can be perfectly cool with law enforcement breaking and entering into a private business, taking her property without permission, laughing about it, and then issuing a completely empty apology the following week.
                                Once again, I didn't see anything that showed that SS broke into her salon. She said the lock looked like it was picked but even if it was, how could she be sure it was SS? Something in her statements don't add up for me. She said nothing was taken. Only thing was an untidy bathroom. No mention of property being stolen or people laughing about it. I'm not trying to take up for SS. But I find it hard to blame the entire Secret Service for this. Maybe there was a handful of bad, above the law officers? I don't know. But I don't see this as some threat to national security.

                                Why was the apology empty? She said she was going to take them up on their offer. Please share more information if you have it. Like I said before, I'm not one to just give the police a pass.
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                                • Optional
                                  Administrator
                                  • 06-10-10
                                  • 61163

                                  #10481
                                  Originally posted by jt315

                                  So you’re saying she’s not dumb enough to let people know how dumb she is .

                                  That worked for three and a half years with the man she replaced and then something called a debate happened .

                                  Good luck this this time around . I hear she’s “evolving” on key campaign issues . Lol ! Can’t wait to hear that word salad .
                                  Yes, exactly.

                                  Do you have the same mental deficiency as Donald to have not understood that without needing clarification?

                                  Not sure you should be concerned about anyone else's IQ JT :\
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                                  • jt315
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-12-11
                                    • 21817

                                    #10482
                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                    Yes, exactly.

                                    Do you have the same mental deficiency as Donald to have not understood that without needing clarification?

                                    Not sure you should be concerned about anyone else's IQ JT :\

                                    LMAO ! Just keep her muzzled is the strategy .

                                    I just wanted to make sure you are dumb enough to believe it will work as well as it did with the senile fool .
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                                    • Optional
                                      Administrator
                                      • 06-10-10
                                      • 61163

                                      #10483
                                      Originally posted by jt315


                                      LMAO ! Just keep her muzzled is the strategy .

                                      I just wanted to make sure you are dumb enough to believe it will work as well as it did with the senile fool .
                                      Well, I don't recall saying it would work in the end.

                                      Just that she is obviously not quite as dumb as you to be thinking it's dumb to be shutting up and letting The Donald hang himself whilst he is so eagerly doing that daily.

                                      Do you need us all the use smaller words like bigly to help you get it jt?
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                                      • jt315
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 11-12-11
                                        • 21817

                                        #10484
                                        Originally posted by Optional
                                        Well, I don't recall saying it would work in the end.

                                        Just that she is obviously not quite as dumb as you to be thinking it's dumb to be shutting up and letting The Donald hang himself whilst he is so eagerly doing that daily.

                                        Do you need us all the use smaller words like bigly to help you get it jt?
                                        Where is he hurting himself ? In the mainstream media ? Polls ? In your tiny little mind ?
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                                        • slewfan
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 10-01-15
                                          • 15864

                                          #10485
                                          Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                          Once again, I didn't see anything that showed that SS broke into her salon. She said the lock looked like it was picked but even if it was, how could she be sure it was SS? Something in her statements don't add up for me. She said nothing was taken. Only thing was an untidy bathroom. No mention of property being stolen or people laughing about it. I'm not trying to take up for SS. But I find it hard to blame the entire Secret Service for this. Maybe there was a handful of bad, above the law officers? I don't know. But I don't see this as some threat to national security.

                                          Why was the apology empty? She said she was going to take them up on their offer. Please share more information if you have it. Like I said before, I'm not one to just give the police a pass.
                                          They have a picture of the woman who taped up the camera. I'll ask you this. What if it was Trumps bodyguards who did the exact same thing. Would you blame Trump, the whole detail.?.

                                          The fact that nothing was taken is irrelevant. If you are not taking up for the SS, and you're not one to give the police a pass. How come you are not outraged that a government agency entered someone's closed business illegally.?. Just curious.
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                                          • jt315
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-12-11
                                            • 21817

                                            #10486
                                            Dan Bongino gives his opinion on the EU’s Thierry Breton’s letter to Elon Musk

                                            “Thierry Breton…GO F*CK YOURSELF !





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                                            • Mac4Lyfe
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 01-04-09
                                              • 48368

                                              #10487
                                              Originally posted by slewfan
                                              They have a picture of the woman who taped up the camera. I'll ask you this. What if it was Trumps bodyguards who did the exact same thing. Would you blame Trump, the whole detail.?.

                                              The fact that nothing was taken is irrelevant. If you are not taking up for the SS, and you're not one to give the police a pass. How come you are not outraged that a government agency entered someone's closed business illegally.?. Just curious.
                                              The Secret Service will usually tape up cameras for security reasons. They don't want citizens to be able to track the whereabouts of the people they are protecting. That is not unusual. I doubt she wasn't taping up the camera to steal a bunch of shit.

                                              The SS is a bipartisan Federal organization sworn to protect US political leaders and their families. The secret service was established by Lincoln, ironically on the same day he was assassinated in 1865. Trumps bodyguards are the Secret Service. They blew it when he almost got killed.

                                              I'm not outraged because I have not seen any evidence that they broke into her salon. Maybe if you can show some proof? So it looks like a misunderstanding, not some illegal hair raid.
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                                              • Optional
                                                Administrator
                                                • 06-10-10
                                                • 61163

                                                #10488
                                                Originally posted by jt315

                                                Where is he hurting himself ? In the mainstream media ? Polls ? In your tiny little mind ?
                                                Oh, you can't even see that for yourself. Betting odds changes over the last few weeks should have given you a clue what was happening.

                                                But carry on with more of the same if you think the crazy radical leftie whore rhetoric is working well for you.
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                                                • Optional
                                                  Administrator
                                                  • 06-10-10
                                                  • 61163

                                                  #10489
                                                  Originally posted by slewfan

                                                  They have a picture of the woman who taped up the camera. I'll ask you this. What if it was Trumps bodyguards who did the exact same thing. Would you blame Trump, the whole detail.?.

                                                  The fact that nothing was taken is irrelevant. If you are not taking up for the SS, and you're not one to give the police a pass. How come you are not outraged that a government agency entered someone's closed business illegally.?. Just curious.
                                                  Can't secret service take control of whatever building they choose to protect an event?

                                                  And if they did that, wouldn't it look silly if they left film of their methods/activity there for the owner to post on social media?


                                                  Don't know the law, but that would be my first assumption of what happened here.
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                                                  • jt315
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 11-12-11
                                                    • 21817

                                                    #10490
                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                    Oh, you can't even see that for yourself. Betting odds changes over the last few weeks should have given you a clue what was happening.

                                                    But carry on with more of the same if you think the crazy radical leftie whore rhetoric is working well for you.

                                                    Jump on it now before she becomes the Hillary like overwhelming favorite .



                                                    Hillary Clinton's probability of winning the presidency hovered around 80% on the British betting market Betfair on Monday, the day before the election, staying at the same level it was on Sunday, when Clinton was officially cleared by the FBI after the agency examined newly discovered emails related to her private server.

                                                    Donald Trump was trading at about a 19% chance on Betfair
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                                                    • getaloadoffatso
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 03-14-23
                                                      • 608

                                                      #10491
                                                      Per usual, the ignorance on this forum is astounding

                                                      The whole story of what happened at the beauty salon, is readily available if someone took 5 minutes to look at multiple reports about it from the local news channels there

                                                      Maybe you guys could ask a 4th grader to do it for you
                                                      Last edited by getaloadoffatso; 08-13-24, 02:25 PM.
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                                                      • getaloadoffatso
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 03-14-23
                                                        • 608

                                                        #10492
                                                        Originally posted by getaloadoffatso
                                                        Per usual, the ignorance on this forum is astounding

                                                        The whole story of what happened at the beauty salon, is readily available if someone took 5 minutes to look at multiple reports about it from the local news channels there

                                                        Maybe you guys could ask a 4th grader to do it for you
                                                        Oh BTW, most of the national media has picked it up now as well

                                                        Astounding
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                                                        • Optional
                                                          Administrator
                                                          • 06-10-10
                                                          • 61163

                                                          #10493
                                                          I don't know any 4th graders. What happened?
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                                                          • getaloadoffatso
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 03-14-23
                                                            • 608

                                                            #10494
                                                            Originally posted by Optional
                                                            I don't know any 4th graders. What happened?
                                                            Just what you would expect
                                                            Donald Trump broke into the salon to have his hair styled so he looked better than Kamala

                                                            You've been right about him all along
                                                            Can't fool you
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                                                            • jt315
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 11-12-11
                                                              • 21817

                                                              #10495
                                                              Originally posted by getaloadoffatso
                                                              Just what you would expect
                                                              Donald Trump broke into the salon to have his hair styled so he looked better than Kamala

                                                              You've been right about him all along
                                                              Can't fool you
                                                              Lol
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                                                              • guitarjosh
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 12-25-07
                                                                • 5769

                                                                #10496
                                                                Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                                Ah! that bullshit "trickle down" nonsense!!
                                                                totally false
                                                                the shareholders in the main are the super wealthy
                                                                just take a look at how much wealthier the billionaires have become since 2017 compared to the working classes

                                                                You pay taxes to subsidize tax cuts for others. Namely businesses. Warren Buffett said “If 800 other (top) companies had done the same thing (pay their share of taxes), no other person in the United States would have had to pay a dime of federal taxes, whether income taxes, no social security taxes, no estate taxes.” But there are always business tax cuts being put forward. Large business tax cuts only benefit shareholders. Small business tax cuts help out owners. As most businesses want to pay you the lowest negotiated wage. Now imagine if you taxed places of worship on top of businesses. Individual taxes would look different. Yes, things would get more expensive. Because businesses need to reach sales/profit goals for their shareholders/owners. Not to mention a lot to what you buy isn’t even made in this country anymore. Paying for tax cuts for large businesses that employ fewer Americans. You’re paying taxes for someone else’s job overseas.

                                                                and those tax numbers you quote can't possibly be accurate but I can't be bothered spending the time looking up the rates and will leave it to someone else to debunk it for you
                                                                You agree with trickle down economics, but since you’re more interested in being a free loader, you have to claim to be against it. Let’s look at where we all agree. Corporations are outsourcing, sending jobs, factories, and investment to places like Mexico and China. They’re doing this because the cost of business is lower in Mexico and China than America. Those lower costs mean bigger, fatter corporate profits. All we want to do is lower costs in America and undercut Mexico and China, along with other countries like Canada, England, Germany, Japan, Korea, etc, and have those jobs, factories, and investments sent back over here.

                                                                I pay taxes to subsidize bad government policies. What Warren Buffett said was
                                                                Berkshire was lucky, was here. If we send in a check like we did last year, we sent in over $5 billion to the US federal government. And if 800 other companies had done the same thing, no other person in the United States would have had to pay a dime of federal taxes, whether income taxes, no Social Security taxes, no estate taxes
                                                                Mathematically he’s right, that’s 4 trillion. The problem is that there aren’t 800 other US companies that can pay 5 billion in taxes. Not all companies in the S&P 500 are profitable, and if all 500 had to pay 5 billion a year, in 1-2 years, a lot would cease to exist. Go ahead and prove large business tax cuts only benefit the shareholders. It certainly can benefit the shareholders, but if a business is smart, they’ll use it to attract better workers and undercut their competitors’ prices.

                                                                Do you ever go to Nevada to the casinos? I would suggest if you do, you ask the servers next time they bring you a drink. I’m not in that business so I don’t have first hand knowledge, but I’ve asked multiple people in the past month, and they’ve all had a similar story, depending on the property. All of them told me that they start every hour in the negative, somewhere in the -$10 to -$15 range. I guess that’s a good thing though, right? Tax a cocktail server to the point that they have to start every hour in the hole, then give them food stamps so she and her family can eat, then tell us that if it wasn’t for government programs, she and her family wouldn’t have enough food.

                                                                Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                                                Where are you getting that? What kind of job do these workers work? Who starts a shift in the negative? That's not how it's done. Why would someone be getting taxed by the hour? That makes no sense. You work a shift, you get paid every 2 weeks, your company will withhold a percentage based on what you stated on your W-4. None of this may matter to what you really owe at the end of the year.

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                                                                First, the money that is taken out of every check is not you “paying your taxes” it’s actually tax withholdings, which simply means that your employer withholds some of your money and sends it to the IRS. Then, at the end of the year, you fill out your tax return and if they withheld too much, you get a tax REFUND. You paid your taxes all year but you paid too much, so you get a little back.
                                                                The amount that is withheld is determined by information on your w-4 form, which you filled out when you got hired. You can request a new w-4 form, adjust it and they will withhold less money. That being said, if they withhold too little, you won’t get a tax refund next year, you’ll get a tax bill.
                                                                So when you take cash home every night, there’s no withholdings on that money, so more money has to withheld from your hourly rate. You’re getting paid $15/hr, but money is sent to the IRS. You’ve got to pay your taxes.
                                                                The second and more important point is that if you take home cash every night, you need to record every dollar and compare it to your paystub numbers. Because you aren’t declaring it yourself, ie typing it into the POS, you need to make sure it’s accurate. There should be a line item “tips” or “tipped wages” or “gratuities” and that number has to match (or be less than) what you took home during the pay period. If the paystub number is too high, it means you’re paying taxes on income you didn’t receive. Start a google doc or smartphone note and write down every dollar you walk with.
                                                                If you’re in the “next tax bracket” you only pay the higher rate on the number of dollars above the threshold. It’s marginal. That said, tax brackets don’t have much to do with withholdings, that’s just your w-4 form.
                                                                From cocktail servers in Las Vegas. After Trump made his claim, I was in Vegas and I asked one how much her taxes were. She told me she started every hour in the hole. I was shocked and asked several others and got the same story. They all claimed that they were taxed so much that they needed to make $10-$15 an hour in tips just to break even. I'm not claiming they're taxed by the hour, but that their taxes are so high they claim it breaks down to $10-$15 an hour.
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                                                                • ByeShea
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 06-30-08
                                                                  • 8079

                                                                  #10497
                                                                  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“What media bias?” <a href="https://t.co/80u5iFQRoT">pic.twitter.com/80u5iFQRoT</a></p>&mdash; Sophie Louise Delquié (@SophieDelquie) <a href="https://twitter.com/SophieDelquie/status/1823028663987671196?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >August 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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                                                                  • guitarjosh
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 12-25-07
                                                                    • 5769

                                                                    #10498
                                                                    Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                                                    Tell me you're not wealthy without telling me you're not wealthy. Overtaxed? LOL. Stop listening to Trump lies. He paid like $400 in taxes over 4 years. $400

                                                                    You obviously have never sat in a boardroom. I've sat in several. There is very little trickle down. Corporations buy back their stocks, line their pockets and pay out their executives millions of dollars. Meanwhile, they decide to cut US jobs and send them to Asia and India where they can get cheap labor. I've heard CEOs say, "We can hire 40 of them for what it cost us 1 US worker". So yes, workers in the Philippines have more money to spend, while US workers get fukkked.
                                                                    Most corporations in America aren't publically traded and have no stock to buy back. A lot will be put into paying off debt, making a rainy-day fund, passing it to the customer, or employee retention.
                                                                    Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                                                    I'm not calling anyone that works a freeloader. You work, you get paid. You get paid less than the federal taxable minimum, you don't pay taxes. You get paid over the allowed amount, you should have to pay taxes just like everyone else. Many jobs simply are not going to get you rich. Most people waiting on tables know that.


                                                                    I totally agree we have a debt problem. So, why do you want to make it worse with this? Politicians on both sides make promises they know the bill will be paid later. This topic is one of them. Promise a handful of people (service people of which we're talking about just 3% of the population) to not tax them, when in reality more than half of these workers don't pay taxes anyway. Then allow a loophole for the wealthy to exploit, which will cause $200 Billion in excess debt per year. Why wouldn't Taylor Swift just get paid in tips at her tens of millions of dollars concerts.
                                                                    So you have no problem that someone who works full time gets hit with such a high tax bill that they need to be on food stamps?

                                                                    The IRS defines tips, and unless Taylor Swift is going to only take donations, she can't call her income tips.
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                                                                    • getaloadoffatso
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 03-14-23
                                                                      • 608

                                                                      #10499
                                                                      Originally posted by ByeShea
                                                                      <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“What media bias?” <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/80u5iFQRoT">pic.twitter.com/80u5iFQRoT</a></p>&mdash; Sophie Louise Delquié (@SophieDelquie) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/SophieDelquie/status/1823028663987671196?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >August 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
                                                                      And yet the brain dead still don't realize they are being herded like sheep

                                                                      It literally couldn't be more obvious
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                                                                      • mjsuax13
                                                                        Moderator
                                                                        • 03-14-15
                                                                        • 25058

                                                                        #10500
                                                                        Originally posted by Optional
                                                                        It did not happen for all listeners.

                                                                        My son is a bit of a Trumptard and listened to it all.

                                                                        Neither of us noticed anything strange about Trump's voice.

                                                                        It was fun being able to needle my son in real time about what a dumbass his literal words make him sound like though.

                                                                        Son's only response was the same as Dwight's default deflection. "Oh he does not mean what his words just said. Obviously he really means XYZ"
                                                                        OPTI, please stream you and your son talking about this. Hilarious. I have TWIN buddies that go back and forth all day and it’s funny. Brothers, business partners, friends, TWINS and they couldn’t be more different and they can’t even get personal because they are both ugly. lol
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