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my heart and mind tells me to believe in facts, not fiction... denying there were dinos/neanderthals/earlier humans etc on a ridiculously old earth, a ridiculously long time before any god/bible/jesus bullshit was ever invented, is denying that a black piece of paper is black... its as simple as that ... no matter how much you pray for it or have faith in it, the god , in the bible, is not real ... if you have a rational thought in your mind, use it here...its really very cut and dry
the fossil/archeological/scientific proof are irrefutable ... it completely debunks the premise of all holy books and their main fictional characters ... believing in the teachings and some of the actual historical events in said books, is fine, but believing in an All creator from the bible, creating the earth in 6 days and less than 10k yrs ago, the performed miracles and unrealistic acts, that science explains or laughs at, is a serious mental problem... no idea why smart people refute the evidence ...Comment -
Yeah, I gave the verse in #2210, I agree that eternity to God and our time are different. I don't agree with billions of years though, when God said let there be light, there was light.. I take the Genisis account literally, so a literal seven days God made the earth and everything with it and He rested on the seventh.Comment -
Awesome story, thought I'd share...
The 'miracle' girl who 'came back to life' in her mother's arms: Doctors amazed after three-year-old awakes with no injuries after drowning in a pool and losing her heartbeat for 12 minutes
Dr Garrett added: ‘For her brain to come through this and be as functional as possible is astounding. Prayer and luck and divine intervention were the key factors.'
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Wait a minute. raydog accuses you of being so blinded by faith that you’ll grasp at anything to justify it.
Then he makes up a concept in the Bible about 120 years and man’s longevity. He tells you it’s in the Bible and you, because there would be no other way since it isn’t true to the Bible, make something up to justify what he made up.
So you grasp at some shit about 120 years meaning up to 130 years, and what not, even though it has nothing to do with the biblical concepts, in order to defend your faith.
In this instance, you essentially prove raydog right.
I step in to correct the concepts and that’s your response in bold? Not only are you dangerous in your lack of validation of scriptural concepts, but you’re kind of a dick. Stick to scripture and scripture alone.
It seems you aren’t willing to take a moment for due diligence about the Old Testament and yet keep posting shit from all over the internet.
Dangerous…
I still admire your efforts to do battle in such a harsh arena, but perhaps you aren’t cut out for it or simply have a lot to learn.
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Checking back into the thread I can see this thread continues to have those attacking Christian beliefs to often times misconstrue the basis of those beliefs to begin with or lay false assumptions like “people never talk about bad things that happen in the bible” to somehow further an attack.
In my opinion, the essence of faith is constantly being attacked here because some just can’t have God on faith. There truly is no need to pit science against faith, yet when those who understand science and believe in its tenets try to understand the nature of faith and heed its tenets, they continue to bring the rules of science along. It’s not necessary. Faith and spirituality are a different ballgame than science, with different rules.
When I use the term juvenile discussion, I often use it to frame the discussion that pits science against God.
Faith and obedience to the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament is not a have it your way type of thing. There are rules to faith. One, obviously, is the requirement of faith.
While some posters want to argue the history of the Old Testament and some don’t want to follow the New Testament, most can agree the wisdom literature has its value. Some of this wisdom is ancient, and when you read it, and its sources, you start to realize even though times and knowledge have both changed, people, and the way they operate, stays very much the same.
The wisdom literature, of course, also addresses God. In it we have what could be considered a rule, or at least some guidance to faith. In chapter 3 of Proverbs it says to “trust in the Lord with all your heart, do not lean on your own understanding.”
Brainfreeze and others have encouraged all of you to read the scripture and consider following it. Could some of you “try faith?” What I mean is could some of you “logical thinkers” who consider God and the Bible “debunked” actually, meaningfully, seek God? Could you delve into scripture and the Bible, openly consider things like trusting the Lord and setting aside your own understanding? Ask yourselves, could you? I suppose for many that can be a life changing question.
And for those who truly lay down the hate and name calling nonsense that couldn’t imagine being capable of enduring such a challenge let’s consider this. Somewhere, some person waits on an operating table for a lifesaving surgery. This person waits because the surgeon, who’s relied on techniques and knowledge, gained from things like the theory of evolution, for every step from diagnoses to even the surgical procedure has to pause.
The surgeon, who’s completed a medical school in which many main principles are based on things like the theory of evolution, among other theories, has to pause because before every surgery the surgeon prays to his Lord and Savior.
That is very realistic scenario and should offer at least something to think about when it comes to what we know, and what we don’t know about the capability of people and spirituality.
Just something I was thinking about as I caught up on some of the posts in this thread.
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dude your confused ... I don't know what u believe in, and it's none of my business really, I'm sure your words are more useful in other threads...Wait a minute. raydog accuses you of being so blinded by faith that you’ll grasp at anything to justify it.
Then he makes up a concept in the Bible about 120 years and man’s longevity. He tells you it’s in the Bible and you, because there would be no other way since it isn’t true to the Bible, make something up to justify what he made up.
So you grasp at some shit about 120 years meaning up to 130 years, and what not, even though it has nothing to do with the biblical concepts, in order to defend your faith.
In this instance, you essentially prove raydog right.
I step in to correct the concepts and that’s your response in bold? Not only are you dangerous in your lack of validation of scriptural concepts, but you’re kind of a dick. Stick to scripture and scripture alone.
It seems you aren’t willing to take a moment for due diligence about the Old Testament and yet keep posting shit from all over the internet.
Dangerous…
I still admire your efforts to do battle in such a harsh arena, but perhaps you aren’t cut out for it or simply have a lot to learn.
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Every hebrew letter in psalms has a musical note, color, and a meaning. Every letter of the hebrew alphabet is like this. Well in psalms a woman took those letters changed them to notes letter for letter, word for word, and ended with musical piece that was clearly designed...
watch the first five minutes or so... and go on if you'd like, I'm sure a few people changed their tune after hearing this...
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I'm still wondering, why a week later you bring this up, you said all of this when what you only needed to say is in bold...so what are you again kvb, a theist?Wait a minute. raydog accuses you of being so blinded by faith that you’ll grasp at anything to justify it.
Then he makes up a concept in the Bible about 120 years and man’s longevity. He tells you it’s in the Bible and you, because there would be no other way since it isn’t true to the Bible, make something up to justify what he made up.
So you grasp at some shit about 120 years meaning up to 130 years, and what not, even though it has nothing to do with the biblical concepts, in order to defend your faith.
In this instance, you essentially prove raydog right.
I step in to correct the concepts and that’s your response in bold? Not only are you dangerous in your lack of validation of scriptural concepts, but you’re kind of a dick. Stick to scripture and scripture alone.
It seems you aren’t willing to take a moment for due diligence about the Old Testament and yet keep posting shit from all over the internet.
Dangerous…
I still admire your efforts to do battle in such a harsh arena, but perhaps you aren’t cut out for it or simply have a lot to learn.
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Proverbs 16:18
18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
2 Timothy
…15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.Comment -
I've addressed this in this thread and I have reason to disagree with you. I talked about Adam coming to us as a grown man in the Bible but that he may have the experiences of "growing up" within him. For example, he doesn't babble like a baby. Yet he speaks the language God gave him, as we all do when born in a culture until God gives some more languages.
To continue with the example, I understand many tenets of language development and if experts were to test Adam, and Eve, they could probably surmise that their brains successfully attained certain milestones of language development.
Think about.
I just thought of that example, but it could be one of many. But the Bible also gives us hints, before certain science could fathom. I think around the same time I posted about how the Bible says man came from dust and how, for decades, the leading thinking has been that every molecule in our bodies came from what we now call stardust.
Just because the old texts couldn’t expand on the details, mostly because of knowledge and audience, doesn’t mean they have to be at odds with science.
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A verse on this please, thanks...
here I have one for you,
Adam Names the Animals
…19Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.
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This is my point exactly. And so is your language, in so far as man is the sinner.
Any verse that uses the term "man" to refer to them would do. With the exception of their knowledge (before eating from the tree) is there any reason to believe Adam is unlike any other man of today?
I suppose one could say the need to acquire language, for example through the use of babble, is part of God's punishment on Man for eating from the tree. I suppose.
In the end my point is the same. Any man today, created in His image, that can name animals has, at one point in their young life, babbled.
If one were to take a scientific approach in examining Adam that's the conclusion they would reach. There really is no reason to believe otherwise because it is based on man's definitions and extensive knowledge of language development.
I can survive with that conclusion and recognize appreciate that many Godly people came before me and, using things like science, have given us things that many simply take for granted every day.
Sure, there are negative byproducts, but that would a be the case regardless of the secular doctrine. The negative byproducts became inevitable with the fall of Man.
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No scripture just more assumptions... Eve wasn't even created at this point of Adam naming animals, therefore your assuming Eve came into existence from Adams rib babbling..This is my point exactly. And so is your language, in so far as man is the sinner.
Any verse that uses the term "man" to refer to them would do. With the exception of their knowledge (before eating from the tree) is there any reason to believe Adam is unlike any other man of today?
I suppose one could say the need to acquire language, for example through the use of babble, is part of God's punishment on Man for eating from the tree. I suppose.
In the end my point is the same. Any man today, created in His image, that can name animals has, at one point in their young life, babbled.
If one were to take a scientific approach in examining Adam that's the conclusion they would reach. There really is no reason to believe otherwise because it is based on man's definitions and extensive knowledge of language development.
I can survive with that conclusion and recognize appreciate that many Godly people came before me and, using things like science, have given us things that many simply take for granted every day.
Sure, there are negative byproducts, but that would a be the case regardless of the secular doctrine. The negative byproducts became inevitable with the fall of Man.
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People laugh when they need to project dignity and control during times of stress and anxiety. In these situations, people usually laugh in a subconscious attempt to reduce stress and calm down, however, it often works otherwise. Nervous laughter is often considered fake laughter and even heightens the awkwardness of the situation.[4]
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2 people of the same religion (Christianity) who can't even agree on some pretty fundamental basics.
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Proverbs 3:
5Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.
Colossians 2:
. 8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Guess these verses escaped you kvb...
So you take the Genesis account to be funny ? At least we know where you stand there.
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Genesis 1:27.
You really need scripture from me that say God created man?
Freeze, I was laughing at you. Directly at you and your post. I was laughing at nothing but you. Not scripture, not stories, nothing but you. I was laughing at you.
Like I said a long time ago, stick to posting scripture. Even though you don't always understand what you are posting, stick to it alone.
Don't try to post about science, at all. You don't understand what you're saying. Just like the longevity issue. What's worse is that you refuse to admit you don't understand.
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Diversion, but you laugh, have a good time with that. You've still said nothing of value and have only confused yourself mixing evolution with God and science. Your trying to teach about God and you don't even trust His account on the creation of man or the earth.
Please don't tell me what to do or how to do it, I do as the Spirit guides me to and don't need your opinion on the matter. Just a few post back I posted a link of a man that studied " evolution " ten years, I would trust his opinion on the mater but heres the link again if it's just another thing that slipped by you.
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here i am still trying to figure out who god had populate the world after he supposedly killed everyone... he must have a better sense of humor these days because there is 0 fukking chance that mankind was worse back then... shit is so funny to me that adults really believe in these debunked as hell tales
zert, you should grasp the idea that the time frame is irrelevant when the entire story is complete fiction.
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I wrote a rather accidentally lengthy post on the Proverb you posted above. You should read it.
But there you go again just posting scripture out of context with no explanation to meaning. Again you've missed it. The passage in Colossians 2 is taken out of context and not relevant. It might sound like it is, but if you think so then you've missed Paul's message completely. Don't twist the scripture Freeze.
Dangerous...Comment
