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some sort of everlasting life is nothing more than another, in the long line of manipulative absurdities, the bible is loaded with... the idea that you will meet up with others, in a holy heaven, is another mindfukk attempt to create better morals...Comment -
Genesis 2
…16The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."
We all owe a death ray, just the way it is bro... but if we live by Gods word we live again, and beat death, only way to do that is beat this world and satan " our accuser " by accepting Christ, letting Him wash away our sin with His precious blood... He died for us ... Strangers, sinners, that we may accept Him, live a better life, and then let Him reign in our life in this world and the next..
Revelation 20:5
…5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
1"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.Last edited by brainfreeze; 05-02-15, 07:43 PM.Comment -
I'll say it again: that is the reason why Atheists have everything to live for and nothing to die for...Comment -
Recognizable humans.... I've asked you this quite a few times now, where the in between ? There is none, not a shred of evidence. For there to be a recognizable difference, one would have to see change...WHERE IS IT, none, zero, zilch, I understand the argument as I've said I've watched bill Nye and ham debate the issue, and I side with creation, so you belittling me, holds no weight...it's funny how on one side you say they've tested non organism becoming living ones, but then when I ask for proof of ape man, you tell me millions of years.. Always the perfect excuse right..
It is what it is, and probably will continue in some form for as long as we're recognizable human (people not believing in God but believing there are differences in largely identical political parties comes to mind). Appropriately enough, these biases are largely responsible for the gambling industry being able to turn a profit too, so perhaps we don't want them to go away entirely anyways
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Life without God is vain, living for nothing ... Nothing lost and nothing gained...if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything, and in this case your making a choice, and that's siding with atheist which is nothing but a stones throw from being a God hater " satanist " ...
If that's what you want to do, fine, I'd beg you not to do that to yourself, your one of Gods creations...your special zizou, God loves you... but we all have a choice, and there's one of two ways to go... With God and live by what's right and uphold His principals, ethic, and morals... or side with chaos and lucifer... denying GodComment -
Good book I'm starting to read.... " Fatima and the great conspiracy-Ning "
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Where's the science for this ? ... Do you believe in Angels ?
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You've asked before, and I've told you before: you lack basic knowledge about the core concepts of evolution,. We've tried explaining it to you (explaining how generations and years are different units of measurement and not interchangeable), and it simply doesn't get past your desire not to learn it. Can't help you until it does, but if/when you're ready, the facts are easily found.
Nye and Ham debate was anything but a debate. Nye presented facts and challenged literal interpretation of bible; Ham had no reply except to ignore that and claim a mangled version of evolution. Funny thing is Ham's been forced to change his tune over the years when his earlier theories were proven wrong by emerging technology...the guy's simply willing to make up anything to keep believing what he wants despite the facts.
The natural tendency for an uneducated human brain is to be "weak" in this sense; these cognitive shortcuts served a useful purpose when our worldview was much simpler. Now that it's more complex, they can often lead us astray unless we exercise conscious though , reason and logic. When we don't, and blindly cling to the superstition of the past...well, that's a not-insignificant cause of quite a few problems in the world, or at the very least is exacerbating them.
It's mind-boggling how someone can make up a declaration like "life without god is nothing", cite one unverified book as "evidence", and consider the matter closed. People stand for a wide variety of things, and if you stand for the above you may call it god; the rest of the world calls it mental laziness, an inability to critically think and grounds for doubting your ability to exercise rational thought in other areas of life
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In bold...You've asked before, and I've told you before: you lack basic knowledge about the core concepts of evolution,. We've tried explaining it to you (explaining how generations and years are different units of measurement and not interchangeable), and it simply doesn't get past your desire not to learn it. Can't help you until it does, but if/when you're ready, the facts are easily found.
I see you completely dodged my question... Where's the recognizable changes ?
Nye and Ham debate was anything but a debate. Nye presented facts and challenged literal interpretation of bible; Ham had no reply except to ignore that and claim a mangled version of evolution. Funny thing is Ham's been forced to change his tune over the years when his earlier theories were proven wrong by emerging technology...the guy's simply willing to make up anything to keep believing what he wants despite the facts.
Your joking, you must be... Because you know evolution has propagated lies, and have been caught doing such... I refer back to my question, where's the shift, where's the ones in the middle of this change, why do we only see, ape, and man... Nothing in between, you've got nothing, never will but some old bones you guys decorate, dress, and call them ancient, and mans ancestors ... I don't bite my man, there's plenty that will, I'm just not one of them..
The natural tendency for an uneducated human brain is to be "weak" in this sense; these cognitive shortcuts served a useful purpose when our worldview was much simpler. Now that it's more complex, they can often lead us astray unless we exercise conscious though , reason and logic. When we don't, and blindly cling to the superstition of the past...well, that's a not-insignificant cause of quite a few problems in the world, or at the very least is exacerbating them.
I might not be a scientist, but you couldn't do what I do, not trying to be prideful just give you some game, I'm not gullible, weak minded, silly, none of that... I'm dead serious when it comes to life and death, spirituality and God... You don't know me bro, or what I know, and I don't need to hear about ape to man, when I say show me, and you say can't ...takes millions of years..
It's mind-boggling how someone can make up a declaration like "life without god is nothing", cite one unverified book as "evidence", and consider the matter closed. People stand for a wide variety of things, and if you stand for the above you may call it god; the rest of the world calls it mental laziness, an inability to critically think and grounds for doubting your ability to exercise rational thought in other areas of life
Sounds like a personal problem, as I said my life has been good with God, and always room to be better, I enjoy living for God and doing good in life, and yes there's purpose, I get joy helping others, or when I see others helping others, or doing good things, on account of the Holy Spirit, beautiful thing...but I could call it spiritual laziness that you don't want exercise faith to find out... I've seen things others never do and probably never will, I'm just a messenger ... You can try to excuse it with your theories and explanations, you will never explain Gods work... His will be done, and no matter what, he'll be here until the end, the Omega .. I don't get why you guys keep saying rational either, when it's the most extreme thing to just exclude and deny without cause, because you want " proof " right now... Problem with this age.. To many choices and to much right now stuff, I hope you figure it out bud, time waits for no one..
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Short answer: evolution happens over generations, which are different in years for different organisms with different lifespans. For human changes the times required combined with the low probability of finding fossils has made it tough to show a continuous fossil record; nonetheless, there are plenty of links to the chain to show we've evolved, and it's not hard to fill in the gaps with the logical conclusions. You don't see many of the links in the chain alive today because the concept is evolving to survive, and the change propagating usually results in the non-adapting versions extinction. With shorter lifespan organisms, evolution can be demonstrated in much smaller time frames. FFS, many of the technological services you enjoy today are based on adaptive algorithms which use the tenets of evolution
The above has been explained to you before, but as I note: your continued assertions and questions indicate you don't understand the core concepts of evolution, and as a result you're stuck arguing against things evolution doesn't claim....a common fallacy used by many religions before you, who disprove things they made up and claim they've disproven the science. This isn't a sign of "weakness", but one of ignorance that you could fix if you cared to...but unfortunately, for most people adhering to a religion tends to close the mind off to competing information, out of necessity (otherwise the irrational beliefs and the "benefits" would disappear).
I'm not a scientist either, and I have no idea what you do, so don't know if I could do it? Depends really; like everyone else, I have areas of stronger and weaker talents. That's everyone else by the way, yourself included...how in the world can you accept an ancient books assertion that everyone's a sinner, but think you're somehow immune to the cognitive misfires that every single human being in existence has, especially when they're so easily demonstrable? Having these misfires doesn't make you "weak", at least not any weaker than any other member of the species; refusing to educate yourself about them and continuing to blindly follow the false conclusions they lead you to is a sign of weakness though...one that's simple to fix if/when you're ready.
I just don't get how you can demand to be shown proof on evolution, but insist the bible (something for which there is no proof except for a collection of fairy tales) is 100% accurate without proof? If your stories are proof, why aren't stories for evolution the exact same proof for it?
The "good" things you describe don't require an imaginary friend to accomplish, at least not in any way that is distinguishable from a god not existing. When you define spirituality as "ignoring the most likely explanation to believe what you want despite lack of proof", than I'll happily admit to being spiritually lazy!
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Crap man, my questions are reasonable ... and for you to " claim " extinction or millions of years is the cause we don't see anything in between man and ape today is bogus. I'm just not buying it dude, don't know how you do... I think it's foolish to believe that,Short answer: evolution happens over generations, which are different in years for different organisms with different lifespans. For human changes the times required combined with the low probability of finding fossils has made it tough to show a continuous fossil record; nonetheless, there are plenty of links to the chain to show we've evolved, and it's not hard to fill in the gaps with the logical conclusions. You don't see many of the links in the chain alive today because the concept is evolving to survive, and the change propagating usually results in the non-adapting versions extinction. With shorter lifespan organisms, evolution can be demonstrated in much smaller time frames. FFS, many of the technological services you enjoy today are based on adaptive algorithms which use the tenets of evolution
The above has been explained to you before, but as I note: your continued assertions and questions indicate you don't understand the core concepts of evolution, and as a result you're stuck arguing against things evolution doesn't claim....a common fallacy used by many religions before you, who disprove things they made up and claim they've disproven the science. This isn't a sign of "weakness", but one of ignorance that you could fix if you cared to...but unfortunately, for most people adhering to a religion tends to close the mind off to competing information, out of necessity (otherwise the irrational beliefs and the "benefits" would disappear).
I'm not a scientist either, and I have no idea what you do, so don't know if I could do it? Depends really; like everyone else, I have areas of stronger and weaker talents. That's everyone else by the way, yourself included...how in the world can you accept an ancient books assertion that everyone's a sinner, but think you're somehow immune to the cognitive misfires that every single human being in existence has, especially when they're so easily demonstrable? Having these misfires doesn't make you "weak", at least not any weaker than any other member of the species; refusing to educate yourself about them and continuing to blindly follow the false conclusions they lead you to is a sign of weakness though...one that's simple to fix if/when you're ready.
I just don't get how you can demand to be shown proof on evolution, but insist the bible (something for which there is no proof except for a collection of fairy tales) is 100% accurate without proof? If your stories are proof, why aren't stories for evolution the exact same proof for it?
The "good" things you describe don't require an imaginary friend to accomplish, at least not in any way that is distinguishable from a god not existing. When you define spirituality as "ignoring the most likely explanation to believe what you want despite lack of proof", than I'll happily admit to being spiritually lazy!
these misfires you speak of, idk about all that, I had to be attentive and paid good attention to detail all my life when necessary... especially when pressure was applied, for you to wave it off as a misfire when I've seen apparitions in the sky, along with the testimony I've given... It's your loss not to believe it but to excuse it with some crap theory...
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Asking where the proof is that people evolved from rocks (a claim evolution doesn't even come remotely close to making) is an unreasonable question that demonstrates a fairly complete lack of understanding on what evolution claims. Your claim that we don't see anything between man and ape demonstrates additional ignorance of the fossil and genetic evidence...you seem to have labeled the evidence you can see as "bogus" and dismissed the whole thing. I understand trying to protect your belief structure, but this is objective reality and concrete proof we're talking about. At the end of the day you can throw up your hands and say anything is possible, or you can accept that when faced with several assumptions, the one with overwhelming evidence is far more likely than the one with little to none.
These misfires happen to everyone...idiots and geniuses alike. You're not immune to them simply because you think you are, and it happens that one of the well-documented ones leads us to be more confident in our abilities than we should be. But yes, when you see things nobody else sees, and it just so happens we know how to cause hallucinations, and you partook of those substances for some time...science sure looks like it has the answer locked up on that one.
Funny how plenty of societies found morals without the Christian god, including the ones who preceded Christianity and from whom many of Christianity's fables are borrowed...but I guess it doesn't matter, because later on some guy said that some other guy who said he was God said "I was here first", so that explains that right?
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There is arguments on both sides, however there is not enough evidence to suggest that there is not a god/heaven etc. There are enough confimrd stories of psychic meduims reaching out to love ones and being correct. Before anybody says its all bs, well i have a first hand story myself actually 2 and they were spot on.Comment -
I don't know your particular story, but in general, the reported accuracy of psychics has been pretty well explained and wrapped up in the general topic of cold reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading Have a read and see if any of that might have applied, although to be fair, our memories aren't particularly reliable when it comes to this stuff. Sadly the human brain isn't wired for logic, we have to work at it and still don't always get it right.Comment -
Don't tell that to tripper, or it's a misfire lol...or he'll ponder up some theory to try and explain it away...
yes, that's real... but God forbids it, wouldn't mess with false spirits or mediums ...
Leviticus
. 31'Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am YAHWEH your God. 32'You shall rise up before the grayheaded and honor the aged, and you shall revere your God; I am YAHWEH…Comment -
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The "theory" being well known and reproducible (which is a text of validity used to verify whether or not a conclusion is correct, something the bible largely can't pass), it's not that hard to explain. If someone walks up to 100 people, asks them to pick a number between 1 and 100, and guesses it correctly once, is that person seeing visions?
And I thought you didn't pay attention to Leviticus since it's teachings contradict what you believe...or am I thinking about someone else? Regardless, it's pretty impressive that god commands people to stay away from mediums and spiritualists except the ones who claim they talk to him....sounds like a pretty good way of protecting against the competition, which is necessary when anyone can do what he does (write some stuff down and say he did it).
It certainly appears so...
Hah, I remember thinking I was going to bring that into the conversation at some point but must have lost my train of thought...thanks!
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I still think it's a reasonable question to ask, where is the transition pieces, where is this ape in it's period of transitioning to a human, or anything of the like, there isn't one, period... There's man, and there's ape, there's nothing in between showing a transition ...If evolution is happening before us as you claim, this should be observable .. It's not, therefore the best conclusion is it is not happening and never was, no common ancestors, we have a common Creator...Asking where the proof is that people evolved from rocks (a claim evolution doesn't even come remotely close to making) is an unreasonable question that demonstrates a fairly complete lack of understanding on what evolution claims. Your claim that we don't see anything between man and ape demonstrates additional ignorance of the fossil and genetic evidence...you seem to have labeled the evidence you can see as "bogus" and dismissed the whole thing. I understand trying to protect your belief structure, but this is objective reality and concrete proof we're talking about. At the end of the day you can throw up your hands and say anything is possible, or you can accept that when faced with several assumptions, the one with overwhelming evidence is far more likely than the one with little to none.
These misfires happen to everyone...idiots and geniuses alike. You're not immune to them simply because you think you are, and it happens that one of the well-documented ones leads us to be more confident in our abilities than we should be. But yes, when you see things nobody else sees, and it just so happens we know how to cause hallucinations, and you partook of those substances for some time...science sure looks like it has the answer locked up on that one.
Funny how plenty of societies found morals without the Christian god, including the ones who preceded Christianity and from whom many of Christianity's fables are borrowed...but I guess it doesn't matter, because later on some guy said that some other guy who said he was God said "I was here first", so that explains that right?
Other people do experience what I'm talking about, example: guy I know was in need of a few hundred bucks for something on his truck to fix, to travel to work and so fourth... He didn't have the 200, he said God will make a way.l sure enough in church, after the sermon a gentleman walked up to him, and said I feel led to give you this 200 dollars... Explain this scenario with your science ..it happens, it's real as you and me bud..
Sure they did, the mayans had good morals right, chopping up babies daily for human sacrifice, or how about the Druids, and Egyptians, sure they need that sun to rise right ? Awesome morals.. All through timeComment -
So the apes that humans evolved from are "extinct" because we are them now? And the apes that remain are not the type to evolve since they are still apes or are they the result of another species that evolved?Comment -
I said the Old Testament is that of the flesh, but still Gods Word.. The New Testament is of the Spirit, and the Gospels and the good news of the Messiah, Jesus Christ is what's necessary, no more burning turtle doves and lambs, we have the Lamb of God... Who takes away the sins of the world... Nonetheless, it's talked about all through the Bible old and new, soothsayers, sorcers, wizards, mediums, familiar spirits, so... That's that..
you just haven't experienced nothing of the like, you just think it's all some cold read, where they pluck individuals 1/100, smh... It's well beyond what you think it is trip, have you ever heard of FBI using them to find children or deal with a murder case ? They have and do...
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From your first link. YOUR LINK
A number of tests have been conducted on psychics detectives, using control groups, to try to establish any psychic ability relating to crime solving. One of the earliest was carried out by Dutch Police officer, Fillipus Brink in 1960. He conducted a year-long study of psychics, but found no evidence of any crime-solving abilitiesAnother study was conducted in 1982 where evidence from four crimes was given to three groups; psychic detectives, students and police detectives. The clues related to four crimes, two crimes that had been solved, and two that had not been. The study found no difference between the three groups in ability to indicate what crimes had been committed by looking at the evidence
A further test was conducted in 1997, this test focusing on improving on the scientific methods used in the previous tests. This study used two groups, one consisting of three students from the University of Hertfordhire, the other group consisting of three psychics (two Psychic Detectives, and another Psychic who had a media profile and had been endorsed by police due to his abilities). The two groups were shown three objects associated with three serious crimes. They then advocated theories, but once again, no difference was found in terms of the accuracy between the two groups.No psychic detective has ever been praised or given official recognition by the FBI or US national news for solving a crime, preventing a crime, or finding a kidnap victim or corpseLast edited by muldoon; 05-03-15, 08:18 PM.Comment -
I remember seeing an episode of forensic files where a little girl was murdered. There was an area the neighboorhood combed through thoroughly, right after they got a call from a lady who had a dream saying the girl was in the land they combed, they explained to her how they searched extensively but the lady insisted, they went back and sure enough found the girl. Got the killer soon afterwards, good thing they got him.Comment -
Three months after Kyle’s death, he communicated with a casual acquaintance of mine, Bennie Payne. Bennie’s family owns a successful business in Baton Rouge and her husband, Jerry and my husband, Jim, became friends during the years Jim coached football at LSU. Kyle gave Bennie pages of messages to give to me. The following morning, Bennie immediately phoned me with news of Kyle’s messages. One of Kyle’s messages to me was, “Tell Mom to quit kissing my ashes. I’m not in the urn!”
There is absolutely no way that Bennie could have known that I was kissing Kyle’s ashes every morning and every night. (She’s never even been to my house!)
http://quitkissingmyashes.com
I do not endorse this... but this type of stuff is real because the Spirit is real, but just like " science " facts are twisted, for the vulnerable mind... FactComment -
You ask for exact transition fossils without understanding that usable fossils of this kind are pretty rare to form let alone find. However, the fossil evidence that has been found shows a clear progression among divergent homo- species from a common ancestor, with both the fossil evidence and (recently even more telling) the genetic evidence showing we evolved from a common ancestor as apes. Your conclusion that evolution should somehow be happening right now, and that we should see every stage of evolution represented by living beings, again demonstrates a lack of knowledge on the core concepts of evolution, both how it happens and why it happens. To continue this discussion, you've simply got to read up on this stuff man...otherwise it's the equivalent of a guy trying to explain the earth is flat because he hasn't looked at any evidence except what his instincts and other people have told him who believe similarly
Yes, other people experience similar misfires; I did mention that everyone is affected by these right? As for your scenario, which is more likely: some divine being took the time out of his day to direct one guy to give another guy $200 (instead of, ya know, just making the guys car work miraculously, or maybe curing some kid's cancer)? Or that the guy overheard the dude talking about it and decided to be generous?
Plenty of pre-Christian societies with same or better moral stance than christianity, and their basis for belief certainly involved less documented deaths than the bible
In a sense, we are what our ancestors became, replacing them as better species replaced less-suitable ones. Apes and humans came from a common ancestor, dictated by adapting to different environments and ended up with similar but distinct species you see today. Most of the variants, as with the vast majority of variants we know about from history, suffered a similar fate...core concept of evolution is survival of the fittest, which means many of the less-fit don't survive.
Regarding leviticus, it's been rationalized different ways throughout history, with yours being one of the more popular ones recently...and I'm sure it will continue to be rationalized away as culture changes. However, you can't point to a source document as the infallible word of god, then go on to say "Well, except for those parts, we don't agree with those so, uh, they were superceded"I said the Old Testament is that of the flesh, but still Gods Word.. The New Testament is of the Spirit, and the Gospels and the good news of the Messiah, Jesus Christ is what's necessary, no more burning turtle doves and lambs, we have the Lamb of God... Who takes away the sins of the world... Nonetheless, it's talked about all through the Bible old and new, soothsayers, sorcers, wizards, mediums, familiar spirits, so... That's that..
you just haven't experienced nothing of the like, you just think it's all some cold read, where they pluck individuals 1/100, smh... It's well beyond what you think it is trip, have you ever heard of FBI using them to find children or deal with a murder case ? They have and do...
http://www.exploringpsychics.com/art...aw-enforcement
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Another thing, satan is the father of lies, so you don't know who is giving the conversation, I'm sure it is demonic, because God said not talk to the dead, I'd assume He said that with good reason. I know people are hurt after losing a loved one, but I wouldn't mess with that, could be someone real that does communicate " with familiar spirits " or a scam, either way... No good..Comment -
There's a reason anecdotes are the only kind of "evidence" of this sort of thing: the personal experiences that create them are highly subjective. Notably, you don't hear about the psychics who were wrong (although you can see them all over youtube messing up), and because our brain is wired to accept stories as more convincing than bare facts, people latch on to these things and say "See? This one time out of 100, science couldn't explain how he guessed her number correctly!"
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