Warning - Never play Blackjack on Pinnacle

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by isetcap

Oh Illusion, based on this guy's first post I'm not sure we want to welcome him.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt. He's just pissed he lost his money.

**isetcap** · 01-21-06, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by Illusion

That's why I do not play online. Welcome to SBR by the way.

Illusion, someday I'll get you to play!

**isetcap** · 01-21-06, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by Illusion

I will give him the benefit of the doubt. He's just pissed he lost his money.

That's no excuse for him going through life without ever using a dictionary.

**707782** · 01-21-06, 03:30 AM

Go deposit 2k and play the bodog blackjack, you will welcome me very soon, I didn't said that because I lost a lot of money, but because of a ton of search on the internet, and a real test by myself.

Obviously, I'm not the only one that has complaint about bodog's casino, but a lot of people also give warning.

BTW, their customer service is second to none.

Sports book is ok, not bad, but aint good either.

Poker is ok, but I sucked at poker at this moment, I'm still a beginner.

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by isetcap

Illusion, someday I'll get you to play!

I played at Pinnacle's casino, but had them disable it (which you should do 707)

Anyways I live 15 minutes from a casino, so there's no need for me to play online.

**isetcap** · 01-21-06, 03:34 AM

it's rtg buddy. i've tested it myself a million times over.

**isetcap** · 01-21-06, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Illusion

I played at Pinnacle's casino, but had them disable it (which you should do 707)

Anyways I live 15 minutes from a casino, so there's no need for me to play online.

you need to disable the land casinos and play the ones where you actually have an advantage...

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by isetcap

you need to disable the land casinos and play the ones where you actually have an advantage...

Online casinos don't offer me free buffets though, lol.

**imgv94** · 01-21-06, 03:58 AM

Talk about rigged casinos go to the Indian ones an hour away from
my house.

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

Talk about rigged casinos go to the Indian ones an hour away from
my house.

There are 4 within 15 minutes of my house and the only one I have had trouble with is the Horseshoe. Not that's unfair, it's just too damn crowded and they don't have as many table games.

**imgv94** · 01-21-06, 04:04 AM

All the Indian Casinos here are crowded and people are rude. Also
95% of the place is dedicated to slots and 5% to table games. And]
slots are for women and puss ies..

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 04:07 AM

Do any of them have a poker room?

Two of the four here do, but I prefer Trump (Majectic Star II now)

**imgv94** · 01-21-06, 04:10 AM

I have the Commerce Casino 15 mins up the 5. Indians I don't know??

but there is like 30 of them here. Most Famous is Commerce and Bicycle..

You a hold em player ILL. Or you like the 2 extra cards in omaha?

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 04:12 AM

I play them both, but prefer hold em. I really like no limit tournaments.

What about you?

**imgv94** · 01-21-06, 04:15 AM

No way, I am not much of a in person poker player. I show my emotions
too much, I played only 2 times and didnt like it cuz I was playing
$1/2 table and u know how it is. they raise no matter what they have?

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 04:20 AM

I either play $6/$12 or $200 no limit when I go. The $3/$6 games are a joke. You always have family pots in those games. Those guys play anything.

**L1amCasey** · 01-21-06, 11:17 AM

Hi,

There are a couple of above board 3rd party auditors that audit the RNG's and do deep level statistical analysis of software provider RNG's. The main one out there is TST Global.

They also measure land based state lotteries. If a Casino doesn't have it's RNG certified by a reputable 3rd party, avoid them.

I'd also recommend that you have a look at www.thewizardofodds.com - if you want to see information on the statistical breakdown of online casino activity.

Thanks,

Liam

**tacomax** · 01-21-06, 11:30 AM

Liam, on the basis of your location are you anything to do with the Gaming Commission?

**isetcap** · 01-21-06, 04:11 PM

That would be exciting. I would love to hear from an official of a gaming commission that happens to be legitimate! I can honestly say that when I first started playing I would run into "situations" that I thought were simply not possible so I would complain to operators. Then I started taking a good look at statistical analysis and began to realize how much of an idiot I was to claim that games were rigged.

**tacomax** · 01-21-06, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

I can honestly say that when I first started playing I would run into "situations" that I thought were simply not possible so I would complain to operators. Then I started taking a good look at statistical analysis and began to realize how much of an idiot I was to claim that games were rigged.

Good post.

Casino-based forums are full of people screaming how Software Provider X is rigged on the basis of a couple of hundred hands. As you've found out, all it takes is a bit of statistical knowledge to understand the variance of the game. People who blame the software for their losses are generally the people who blame their sports bets losing due to a rigged and bribe-laden game of football.

**quarm_** · 01-21-06, 08:11 PM

Iam 1 of the persons too who think online casinos aint fair - crazy streaks happen there, and you think to yourself "thats just not normal", even if it CAN happen.

Bottom line for me is that you just cant know if its fair or not, and because of that it is no fun playing BJ etc. online. Many better things to do with your time/money.

**quarm_** · 01-21-06, 08:21 PM

posted in wrong thread gnarf

**imgv94** · 01-21-06, 09:24 PM

I actually totally agree with quarm? how weird- crazy streaks can happen.
I started with $300 and ended up with $5,000 one nighton bodog. Lost 95% of
hands since.

**tacomax** · 01-21-06, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by quarm_

Bottom line for me is that you just cant know if its fair or not, and because of that it is no fun playing BJ etc. online. Many better things to do with your time/money.

I'll agree with that one. If it's a choice of playing a night of blackjack with a house edge of 0.5% at a real casino where they'll pump you full of drink or playing a night of blackjack with a house edge of 0.5% alone at home at an online casino then it's a no-brainer.

**Patrick McIrish** · 01-23-06, 06:41 AM

Yeah Pinnacle is taking 100k sides on the SuperBowl but rigged the casino to win $10 hands of blackjack from you people. Come on guys they don't need to do a thing in the casino to get your money. If you play long enough at something with a negative expectation you will go broke it's that simple. Only variables to when you go busted are how much you bet, how often you play and how big of a bank you started with. Live long enough and keep playing you will eventually go broke. It's not rigged, it's mathematics.