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  • mjsuax13
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    • 03-14-15
    • 24797

    #71
    Originally posted by thomorino
    Wrong. Embiid is the far better defender, its not close. Jokic got obliterated by a mediocre offensive team, Memphis. Memphis was scoring on nearly every possession.

    Embiid dominates games, Jokic fills the stat sheet up.

    Jokic isn't even the best player on his own team in the playoffs, that's Murray, and its not close. Jokic isn't even that good of a scorer when it matters, in the playoffs.

    Just stop, Embiid is a top 5 center all-time. Jokic is a good player for his era. Its not close.
    Of all time? WOW. Holy shit. You are just a fan boy. Nothing more.
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    • mjsuax13
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      • 03-14-15
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      #72
      Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Mikan,…to name a few. He’s never even played a full season.
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      • stevenash
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        • 01-17-11
        • 65154

        #73
        Originally posted by mjsuax13
        Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Mikan,…to name a few. He’s never even played a full season.
        That's before we get into the Robert Parrish's of the world.
        Ask that Larry Bird guy if Embid is better than The Chief.

        That opinion I'll respect.
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        • mjsuax13
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          • 03-14-15
          • 24797

          #74
          Originally posted by stevenash
          That's before we get into the Robert Parrish's of the world.
          Ask that Larry Bird guy if Embid is better than The Chief.

          That opinion I'll respect.
          Dude… I didn’t get into the Chief, McAdoo, Unseld, etc.. etc… Embiid hasn’t accomplished shit. He’s best known for being hurt on the bench.
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          • thomorino
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            #75
            Originally posted by mjsuax13
            Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Mikan,…to name a few. He’s never even played a full season.
            Malone didn't play center and Embiid is better than Ewing in every way, Mikan wouldn't score a point on embiid, he's better than Robinson, who never won anything without Duncan. Shaq couldn't shoot.

            You don't even mention Kareem, who shits on most of the players you mentioned.

            Top 5 center all-time.

            Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Embiid, shaq
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            • thomorino
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              #76
              Originally posted by stevenash
              That's before we get into the Robert Parrish's of the world.
              Ask that Larry Bird guy if Embid is better than The Chief.

              That opinion I'll respect.
              Robert Parrish couldn't score 20 points a game, just stop.
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              • thomorino
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                #77
                Originally posted by mjsuax13
                Dude… I didn’t get into the Chief, McAdoo, Unseld, etc.. etc… Embiid hasn’t accomplished shit. He’s best known for being hurt on the bench.
                The fact you thought Karl Malone played center disqualifies you from ever talking basketball again.

                Mark Eaton was one of the best defensive centers their was.
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                • Bostongambler
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by thomorino
                  The fact you thought Karl Malone played center disqualifies you from ever talking basketball again.

                  Mark Eaton was one of the best defensive centers their was.
                  He’s referring to Mosses Malone you dipshit with half a brain.
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                  • stevenash
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                    • 01-17-11
                    • 65154

                    #79
                    Originally posted by thomorino
                    Malone didn't play center and Embiid is better than Ewing in every way, Mikan wouldn't score a point on embiid, he's better than Robinson, who never won anything without Duncan. Shaq couldn't shoot.

                    You don't even mention Kareem, who shits on most of the players you mentioned.

                    Top 5 center all-time.

                    Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Embiid, shaq
                    Moses Malone.
                    And how many rings does Embid have?
                    Parrish?

                    Embid isn't top center in the league now.
                    I proved it.

                    Now disprove this, I proved my case.
                    You've yet to disprove it.




                    Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

                    More efficient?
                    Really.

                    Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
                    Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
                    ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

                    Question?
                    How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

                    Answer,
                    When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
                    He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

                    Efficiency?
                    Embid turned the ball over five times.
                    The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
                    One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

                    That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
                    That wasn't a MVP type pass.
                    MVP's don't choke like that.

                    Efficiency?
                    Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
                    Not very effecient.

                    Know what's effecient?
                    Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
                    That's a 12:0 ratio
                    That's how math works.

                    !2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
                    And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

                    There's a word that describes that performance.
                    FLAWLESS
                    (Perfect comes to mind too)
                    But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
                    Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

                    Steals?
                    That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
                    Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
                    That's right? Zero.

                    How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
                    Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
                    They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

                    OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
                    I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

                    Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
                    I just did.

                    What can you counter with?
                    That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
                    That's what you said the other day.
                    That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

                    What can you counter me with?
                    That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
                    Oh wait...

                    This is why I don't debate you anymore.
                    You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
                    And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
                    The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
                    If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

                    You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
                    You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
                    And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

                    Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
                    My opinions are backed with facts.
                    Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
                    That's one of my problems with you.

                    Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
                    I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
                    There's a word for that, it's called class.

                    When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
                    Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
                    There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


                    Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
                    Not you, not me, the NBA
                    Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
                    He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
                    Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
                    That's why he's the MVP favorite.
                    Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
                    They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


                    Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
                    That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

                    Rk Player Tm Opp MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/- GmSc
                    1 Nikola Jokić DEN MEM L 40:11:00 11 16 0.688 2 4 0.5 2 3 0.667 3 8 11 12 2 1 0 3 26 0 33.2
                    2 James Harden BRK @ SAS W 37:08:00 13 24 0.542 4 8 0.5 7 7 1 1 9 10 11 0 1 3 3 37 18 33
                    3 Joel Embiid PHI LAC L 36:32:00 15 25 0.6 3 3 1 7 10 0.7 5 8 13 6 0 1 5 4 40 -6 31.5
                    4 DeMar DeRozan CHI @ MIL L 38:27:00 9 18 0.5 0 3 0 17 18 0.944 1 5 6 3 0 0 1 0 35 1 28.9
                    5 Ja Morant MEM @ DEN W 37:26:00 15 26 0.577 2 6 0.333 6 8 0.75 3 3 6 6 2 0 6 1 38 -3 27.8
                    6 Jusuf Nurkić POR @ BOS W 37:51:00 9 16 0.563 1 1 1 10 13 0.769 6 11 17 6 1 1 5 4 29 20 27
                    7 Dejounte Murray SAS BRK L 37:11:00 8 20 0.4 1 3 0.333 8 8 1 4 8 12 10 1 0 1 3 25 -15 25.2
                    8 Rudy Gobert UTA DET W 32:18:00 8 11 0.727 0 0 8 11 0.727 4 10 14 1 0 4 2 4 24 -5 24
                    9 Fred VanVleet TOR @ WAS W 39:01:00 6 17 0.353 4 11 0.364 5 5 1 1 0 1 12 2 2 1 1 21 8 22.6
                    10 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC @ CHO L 33:14:00 10 23 0.435 1 3 0.333 8 9 0.889 2 3 5 6 1 1 1 3 29 -10 22.5



                    Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
                    I won't accept, don't do business with you.

                    Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

                    Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


                    Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
                    Intelligent facts that you can back up.

                    Can you do that?
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                    • thomorino
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Bostongambler
                      He’s referring to Mosses Malone you dipshit with half a brain.
                      Wrong, you are unintelligent.
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                      • stevenash
                        Moderator
                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65154

                        #81
                        Originally posted by thomorino
                        Wrong, you are unintelligent.
                        You're back to these responses.
                        That suggests you've got nothing left in the tank.

                        Bye
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                        • thomorino
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                          #82
                          Originally posted by Bostongambler
                          He’s referring to Mosses Malone you dipshit with half a brain.
                          And in addition to spelling Moses Malone's name wrong he was also a power forward, not a center. You are unintelligent.
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                          • Bostongambler
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                            • 02-01-08
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                            #83
                            Originally posted by thomorino
                            Wrong, you are unintelligent.
                            What do you mean wrong. 😂

                            I’m 100% right when he mentioned Malone he was referring to Mosses . You can’t even admit you were wrong. Ya, he was talking about Karl. 😂. You tool.


                            And when he mentions Robinson was he referring to Remeal Robinson?
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                            • clockwise1965
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                              #84
                              Great value but can he stay healthy? History says no.
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                              • thomorino
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                                #85
                                Originally posted by stevenash

                                Moses Malone.
                                And how many rings does Embid have?
                                Parrish?

                                Embid isn't top center in the league now.
                                I proved it.

                                Now disprove this, I proved my case.
                                You've yet to disprove it.




                                Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

                                More efficient?
                                Really.

                                Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
                                Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
                                ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

                                Question?
                                How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

                                Answer,
                                When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
                                He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

                                Efficiency?
                                Embid turned the ball over five times.
                                The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
                                One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

                                That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
                                That wasn't a MVP type pass.
                                MVP's don't choke like that.

                                Efficiency?
                                Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
                                Not very effecient.

                                Know what's effecient?
                                Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
                                That's a 12:0 ratio
                                That's how math works.

                                !2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
                                And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

                                There's a word that describes that performance.
                                FLAWLESS
                                (Perfect comes to mind too)
                                But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
                                Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

                                Steals?
                                That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
                                Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
                                That's right? Zero.

                                How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
                                Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
                                They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

                                OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
                                I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

                                Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
                                I just did.

                                What can you counter with?
                                That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
                                That's what you said the other day.
                                That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

                                What can you counter me with?
                                That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
                                Oh wait...

                                This is why I don't debate you anymore.
                                You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
                                And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
                                The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
                                If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

                                You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
                                You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
                                And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

                                Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
                                My opinions are backed with facts.
                                Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
                                That's one of my problems with you.

                                Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
                                I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
                                There's a word for that, it's called class.

                                When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
                                Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
                                There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


                                Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
                                Not you, not me, the NBA
                                Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
                                He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
                                Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
                                That's why he's the MVP favorite.
                                Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
                                They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


                                Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
                                That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

                                Rk Player Tm Opp MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/- GmSc
                                1 Nikola Jokić DEN MEM L 40:11:00 11 16 0.688 2 4 0.5 2 3 0.667 3 8 11 12 2 1 0 3 26 0 33.2
                                2 James Harden BRK @ SAS W 37:08:00 13 24 0.542 4 8 0.5 7 7 1 1 9 10 11 0 1 3 3 37 18 33
                                3 Joel Embiid PHI LAC L 36:32:00 15 25 0.6 3 3 1 7 10 0.7 5 8 13 6 0 1 5 4 40 -6 31.5
                                4 DeMar DeRozan CHI @ MIL L 38:27:00 9 18 0.5 0 3 0 17 18 0.944 1 5 6 3 0 0 1 0 35 1 28.9
                                5 Ja Morant MEM @ DEN W 37:26:00 15 26 0.577 2 6 0.333 6 8 0.75 3 3 6 6 2 0 6 1 38 -3 27.8
                                6 Jusuf Nurkić POR @ BOS W 37:51:00 9 16 0.563 1 1 1 10 13 0.769 6 11 17 6 1 1 5 4 29 20 27
                                7 Dejounte Murray SAS BRK L 37:11:00 8 20 0.4 1 3 0.333 8 8 1 4 8 12 10 1 0 1 3 25 -15 25.2
                                8 Rudy Gobert UTA DET W 32:18:00 8 11 0.727 0 0 8 11 0.727 4 10 14 1 0 4 2 4 24 -5 24
                                9 Fred VanVleet TOR @ WAS W 39:01:00 6 17 0.353 4 11 0.364 5 5 1 1 0 1 12 2 2 1 1 21 8 22.6
                                10 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC @ CHO L 33:14:00 10 23 0.435 1 3 0.333 8 9 0.889 2 3 5 6 1 1 1 3 29 -10 22.5



                                Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
                                I won't accept, don't do business with you.

                                Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

                                Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


                                Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
                                Intelligent facts that you can back up.

                                Can you do that?
                                Originally posted by stevenash

                                You're back to these responses.
                                That suggests you've got nothing left in the tank.

                                Bye
                                Rings are a team accomplishment. Parrish has more rings than wilt, he's not better.

                                Embiid is a top 5 all time center and he's elite defensively. Jokic barely plays defense and isn't even better offensively.

                                Just stop.
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                                • JIBBBY
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                                  • 12-10-09
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                                  #86
                                  Embiid is a game away from a season ending injury. That big goof is an injury waiting to happen. Couldn't pay me to bet a future on him.


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                                  • thomorino
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                                    #87
                                    Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                    What do you mean wrong. 😂

                                    I’m 100% right when he mentioned Malone he was referring to Mosses . You can’t even admit you were wrong. Ya, he was talking about Karl. 😂. You tool.


                                    And when he mentions Robinson was he referring to Remeal Robinson?
                                    Your still not spelling his name right and he was a power forward not a center. You are unintelligent.
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                                    • thomorino
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                                      #88
                                      Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                      Embiid is a game away from a season ending injury. That big goof is an injury waiting to happen. Couldn't pay me to bet a future on him.
                                      Disagree and injury risk is more than priced in at 16-1
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                                      • JIBBBY
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 12-10-09
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                                        #89
                                        Originally posted by thomorino
                                        Disagree and injury risk is more than priced in at 16-1
                                        I disagree, first he's gotta beat out all the best players to win the MVP award and then avoid injury also. He's up against it even at those odds.
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                                        • stevenash
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                                          • 01-17-11
                                          • 65154

                                          #90
                                          Originally posted by thomorino
                                          Your still not spelling his name right and he was a power forward not a center. You are unintelligent.
                                          This is what I mean by you don't do research.
                                          You don't do homework.
                                          What position did MOSES Malone play.
                                          And how many games in his career did he play center.
                                          And how many times did he lead the league in rebounding.
                                          He was after all the "Chairman of the Boards"

                                          Think man, think before you say stuff like Malone wasn't a center, that was 98 percent of his career, he jumped center.
                                          It's like when you told me Murray was the better player in last seasons playoff than Jokic.
                                          Murray didn't even play.
                                          You didn't think then either.
                                          You...Don't... Think...


                                          Checkout the latest stats of Moses Malone. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com
                                          Last edited by stevenash; 01-22-22, 02:03 PM.
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                                          • stevenash
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                                            • 01-17-11
                                            • 65154

                                            #91
                                            Read this too.
                                            Then tell me if Embid is a better center.
                                            Just stop. We're all begging you, you're exposing yourself.


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                                            • Bostongambler
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                                              • 02-01-08
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                                              #92
                                              Yes Thermaflu I did spell his name wrong . It’s Moses not Mosses. See how easy that was.

                                              Not admit that is who he meant and not Karl Malone, not Sam Malone, not Jeff Malone, but Moses. A CENTER!
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                                              • clockwise1965
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                                                #93
                                                Malone played the 4 position the vast majority of his career. The 4 position in basketball is the center position.
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                                                • Bostongambler
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                                                  #94
                                                  If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.
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                                                  • clockwise1965
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                                                    #95
                                                    Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                    If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.
                                                    Malone was so dominant he was the first player to successfully transition from high school straight to the pros.

                                                    Embid is a good player but not ev en in the same league as Malone imo.
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                                                    • stevenash
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                                                      • 01-17-11
                                                      • 65154

                                                      #96
                                                      Originally posted by clockwise1965
                                                      Malone played the 4 position the vast majority of his career. The 4 position in basketball is the center position.
                                                      I have one question, and one question only.
                                                      Why does Thom even do this to himself?
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                                                      • thomorino
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                                                        #97
                                                        Embiid is 7-4, Malone was 6-10

                                                        Embiid is bigger, stronger, and a better athlete. The athleticism of players int he NBA now shits on where the league was 20 years ago when Malone played.

                                                        Embiid would dominate Malone one on one, he almost 6 inches taller than him
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                                                        • thomorino
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                                                          #98
                                                          Originally posted by stevenash

                                                          This is what I mean by you don't do research.
                                                          You don't do homework.
                                                          What position did MOSES Malone play.
                                                          And how many games in his career did he play center.
                                                          And how many times did he lead the league in rebounding.
                                                          He was after all the "Chairman of the Boards"

                                                          Think man, think before you say stuff like Malone wasn't a center, that was 98 percent of his career, he jumped center.
                                                          It's like when you told me Murray was the better player in last seasons playoff than Jokic.
                                                          Murray didn't even play.
                                                          You didn't think then either.
                                                          You...Don't... Think...


                                                          https://www.basketball-reference.com...malonmo01.html
                                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                                          Read this too.
                                                          Then tell me if Embid is a better center.
                                                          Just stop. We're all begging you, you're exposing yourself.


                                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone
                                                          Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                          Yes Thermaflu I did spell his name wrong . It’s Moses not Mosses. See how easy that was.

                                                          Not admit that is who he meant and not Karl Malone, not Sam Malone, not Jeff Malone, but Moses. A CENTER!
                                                          Originally posted by clockwise1965
                                                          Malone played the 4 position the vast majority of his career. The 4 position in basketball is the center position.
                                                          Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                          If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.
                                                          Originally posted by clockwise1965

                                                          Malone was so dominant he was the first player to successfully transition from high school straight to the pros.

                                                          Embid is a good player but not ev en in the same league as Malone imo.
                                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                                          I have one question, and one question only.
                                                          Why does Thom even do this to himself?
                                                          Malone was a power forward most of his career, he was 6-10, not big enough to play center.

                                                          Embiid is a top 5 soccer rebounder and defender, he's the best center in the league, and it's not that close.
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                                                          • thomorino
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                                                            • 06-01-17
                                                            • 45842

                                                            #99
                                                            Originally posted by stevenash

                                                            This is what I mean by you don't do research.
                                                            You don't do homework.
                                                            What position did MOSES Malone play.
                                                            And how many games in his career did he play center.
                                                            And how many times did he lead the league in rebounding.
                                                            He was after all the "Chairman of the Boards"

                                                            Think man, think before you say stuff like Malone wasn't a center, that was 98 percent of his career, he jumped center.
                                                            It's like when you told me Murray was the better player in last seasons playoff than Jokic.
                                                            Murray didn't even play.
                                                            You didn't think then either.
                                                            You...Don't... Think...


                                                            https://www.basketball-reference.com...malonmo01.html
                                                            Originally posted by stevenash
                                                            Read this too.
                                                            Then tell me if Embid is a better center.
                                                            Just stop. We're all begging you, you're exposing yourself.


                                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone
                                                            Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                            Yes Thermaflu I did spell his name wrong . It’s Moses not Mosses. See how easy that was.

                                                            Not admit that is who he meant and not Karl Malone, not Sam Malone, not Jeff Malone, but Moses. A CENTER!
                                                            Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                            If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.
                                                            Originally posted by stevenash
                                                            I have one question, and one question only.
                                                            Why does Thom even do this to himself?
                                                            Unintelligent posters
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                                                            • chargers4222
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 01-16-10
                                                              • 4702

                                                              #100
                                                              Joel Embiid: the pride of "deleware county"
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                                                              • chargers4222
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-16-10
                                                                • 4702

                                                                #101
                                                                Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                Your still not spelling his name right and he was a power forward not a center. You are unintelligent.
                                                                You're*
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                                                                • chargers4222
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-16-10
                                                                  • 4702

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                  The fact you thought Karl Malone played center disqualifies you from ever talking basketball again.

                                                                  Mark Eaton was one of the best defensive centers their was.
                                                                  There*
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                                                                  • thomorino
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 06-01-17
                                                                    • 45842

                                                                    #103
                                                                    Originally posted by chargers4222
                                                                    Joel Embiid: the pride of "deleware county"
                                                                    Originally posted by chargers4222
                                                                    You're*
                                                                    Originally posted by chargers4222

                                                                    There*
                                                                    You are unintelligent. I own this tool, he does nothing but post trash in my threads.
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                                                                    • thomorino
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 06-01-17
                                                                      • 45842

                                                                      #104
                                                                      The average NBA player is far more athletic now than 39-40 years ago, Embiid still dominates every night on both h sides of the ball.
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                                                                      • stevenash
                                                                        Moderator
                                                                        • 01-17-11
                                                                        • 65154

                                                                        #105
                                                                        Who's having a better offensive season?
                                                                        (The guy listed on the top of ANY metric you use)






                                                                        Stats Ratings
                                                                        Player Team G MIN PTS REB AST STL BLK 3PM FG% FGA FT% FTA Overall PTS REB AST STL BLK 3PM FG% FT%
                                                                        1 Nikola Jokic DEN 39 1291 1011 541 294 54 31 60 57.2 689 78.7 207 1.34 1.98 3.05 1.84 1.09 0.29 -0.12 2.49 0.07
                                                                        2 Stephen Curry GSW 42 1459 1103 224 261 61 20 206 42 846 91.2 205 1.2 2.43 -0.06 1.45 1.58 -0.28 3.66 -1.48 2.29
                                                                        3 James Harden BKN 40 1480 918 322 401 52 29 96 42.1 639 86.6 328 1.1 1.53 0.9 3.1 0.95 0.19 0.82 -1.05 2.39
                                                                        4 Trae Young ATL 41 1426 1144 162 386 40 4 115 45.5 840 90.1 294 0.98 2.63 -0.67 2.92 0.12 -1.1 1.31 -0.44 3.04
                                                                        5 Kevin Durant BKN 36 1313 1053 267 207 28 34 67 52 729 89.4 255 0.86 2.19 0.36 0.81 -0.72 0.44 0.06 1.3 2.46
                                                                        6 Fred VanVleet TOR 40 1525 872 188 277 66 21 156 42.4 698 86.7 143 0.81 1.3 -0.42 1.63 1.93 -0.23 2.37 -1.08 1.01
                                                                        7 LeBron James LAL 34 1245 981 258 217 54 38 97 51.7 710 75.8 198 0.79 1.83 0.27 0.92 1.09 0.65 0.84 1.2 -0.45
                                                                        8 Chris Paul PHX 44 1419 617 189 440 85 15 42 47.9 489 84.3 127 0.77 0.05 -0.41 3.56 3.25 -0.53 -0.58 0.22 0.62
                                                                        9 Dejounte Murray SAS 41 1407 791 347 366 82 16 57 45 734 73.3 101 0.76 0.9 1.14 2.69 3.04 -0.48 -0.19 -0.49 -0.49
                                                                        10 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN 38 1313 924 350 141 41 45 84 51.9 636 80.7 223 0.76 1.55 1.17 0.03 0.19 1.01 0.5 1.14 0.46
                                                                        11 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 39 1276 1116 440 235 40 58 42 53.1 729 71.4 420 0.75 2.5 2.06 1.14 0.12 1.68 -0.58 1.58 -2.45
                                                                        12 Donovan Mitchell UTA 40 1340 1020 158 206 64 9 128 45 826 87.6 169 0.69 2.03 -0.71 0.79 1.79 -0.84 1.64 -0.55 1.34
                                                                        13 Domantas Sabonis IND 44 1534 834 523 214 44 19 34 57.7 537 74.4 242 0.68 1.11 2.87 0.89 0.4 -0.33 -0.79 2.08 -0.82
                                                                        14 Jayson Tatum BOS 43 1583 1085 368 164 41 33 109 41.6 900 84.1 271 0.67 2.35 1.35 0.3 0.19 0.39 1.15 -1.71 1.38
                                                                        15 LaMelo Ball CHA 39 1239 741 286 301 62 17 105 41.8 644 88.3 111 0.65 0.66 0.54 1.92 1.65 -0.43 1.05 -1.13 0.92
                                                                        16 Joel Embiid PHI 34 1117 965 362 143 35 47 45 49.8 624 81.4 366 0.65 1.76 1.29 0.05 -0.23 1.11 -0.51 0.67 1.03
                                                                        17 Rudy Gobert UTA 41 1328 658 615 46 32 95 0 71.4 325 68.8 282 0.62 0.25 3.77 -1.1 -0.44 3.58 -1.67 2.88 -2.32
                                                                        18 Miles Bridges CHA 44 1586 884 328 158 49 39 87 48.2 695 77 165 0.59 1.36 0.96 0.23 0.74 0.7 0.58 0.33 -0.22
                                                                        19 Jaren Jackson MEM 47 1294 775 269 50 47 104 82 41.4 637 81.7 202 0.58 0.82 0.38 -1.05 0.61 4.04 0.45 -1.19 0.58
                                                                        20 Tyrese Haliburton SAC 43 1463 591 167 304 71 31 88 46.7 475 81.9 72 0.58 -0.08 -0.62 1.95 2.28 0.29 0.61 0.04 0.17
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