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**chico2663** · 12-09-20, 10:41 AM

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**chico2663** · 12-09-20, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by RoyBacon

You know, Fidelity would not allow me to short these penny stocks.

But Schwab does. They also allow STOP - Open so I can place an order to sell short if the stock is dropping.

I'm actually starting to really like Schwab.

Sell Short

30,000 Shares

Stop $0.275
Limit $0.27

Day Only

10:33 AM 12/09/2020

Went on E trade to put sell order on cydy. Back in the black.

**RoyBacon** · 12-09-20, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by RoyBacon

You know, Fidelity would not allow me to short these penny stocks.

But Schwab does. They also allow STOP - Open so I can place an order to sell short if the stock is dropping.

I'm actually starting to really like Schwab.

Sell Short

30,000 Shares

Stop $0.275
Limit $0.27

Day Only

10:33 AM 12/09/2020

So this was filled at .275 and it just kept falling.

This is a great way to short. You can get whip-sawed though... and I probably will since I posted this. LOL

**Snowball** · 12-09-20, 11:09 AM

Roy it's still i think unusual to get pinksheet/bb stocks for shorting. The fact that Schwab had this stock available
for you to short says something. Have you ever entered an short order with Schwab (otcbb/pink only) - and gotten
the response that none is available to short? or HTB (hard to borrow) ?

If other Schwab customers are holding this stock in their cash accounts, I think they have to at least legally be offered the
option not to use their holdings for this lending purpose.

**RoyBacon** · 12-09-20, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Snowball

Roy it's still i think unusual to get pinksheet/bb stocks for shorting. The fact that Schwab had this stock available
for you to short says something. Have you ever entered an short order with Schwab (otcbb/pink only) - and gotten
the response that none is available to short? or HTB (hard to borrow) ?

If other Schwab customers are holding this stock in their cash accounts, I think they have to at least legally be offered the
option not to use their holdings for this lending purpose.

This was the first time at Schwab I tried.

There was a box to check that you agree to rent the short for .34 a day or whatever. I shorted 140k and it was $2 a day.

I had trouble at fidelity buying a preferred on ET. Tried it at Schwab, no problem-a.

BTW, I'm back from vegas. Closed out my tsnp short.

**chico2663** · 12-09-20, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Snowball

Roy it's still i think unusual to get pinksheet/bb stocks for shorting. The fact that Schwab had this stock available
for you to short says something. Have you ever entered an short order with Schwab (otcbb/pink only) - and gotten
the response that none is available to short? or HTB (hard to borrow) ?

If other Schwab customers are holding this stock in their cash accounts, I think they have to at least legally be offered the
option not to use their holdings for this lending purpose.

food for thought. Any stock in a 401k and certain retirement accounts can't be shorted. Any other can be unless a sell order in. i have 1500 in cydy with e trade. i put a sell order for 300 a share on cydy. i have 800 with td ameritrade that is a sep. i don't have to put an order in.

**RoyBacon** · 12-09-20, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by chico2663

food for thought. Any stock in a 401k and certain retirement accounts can't be shorted. Any other can be unless a sell order in. i have 1500 in cydy with e trade. i put a sell order for 300 a share on cydy. i have 800 with td ameritrade that is a sep. i don't have to put an order in.

Etrade invited me to take a long hike on a short pier after a few wires from Coinbase & Bitfinex. Fuggers rejected the last one.

I liked the old circa 1996 eTrade website. So easy finding stuff, tax records, transfers, etc.

**Snowball** · 12-09-20, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

food for thought. Any stock in a 401k and certain retirement accounts can't be shorted. Any other can be unless a sell order in. i have 1500 in cydy with e trade. i put a sell order for 300 a share on cydy. i have 800 with td ameritrade that is a sep. i don't have to put an order in.

I've heard that, and yet I've also heard it doesn't matter. What used to matter is held in cash or margin, or even if you don't have a margin account, but only a cash account - that your shares could not be lent. For example, if I owned a pinksheet that is not marginable but my account is a margin acct, they could lend it to Roy. But, if I only have a cash account, they could not. I feel like asking because it's been a long time since I was concerned about non-marginable "securities".

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 01:35 PM

Looks like we may have the makings of a reversal day. I've been waiting for things to go to shyt, and this may be the day it starts for a little while.

**RoyBacon** · 12-09-20, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Slurry Pumper

Looks like we may have the makings of a reversal day. I've been waiting for things to go to shyt, and this may be the day it starts for a little while.

I've squeezed the trigger several times on the way up thinking we have to fill in a little at least. Loser trades.

I have a hard time thinking we will make a lot of downside progress in the last 3 weeks of '20 against a backdrop of 20 million vaccinations and a trillion in stimulus coming eventually.

Looks more like good ole fashion profit taking.

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by RoyBacon

I've squeezed the trigger several times on the way up thinking we have to fill in a little at least. Loser trades.

I have a hard time thinking we will make a lot of downside progress in the last 3 weeks of '20 against a backdrop of 20 million vaccinations and a trillion in stimulus coming eventually.

Looks more like good ole fashion profit taking.

Yeah, you're right. I think the same as the Santa Claus thing is real. I'm going to take profits on my SPXU before the end of the day, and tomorrow the SPY will be back around 370. I may even buy UPRO into the close if things look right.

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 01:56 PM

Actually, we may just have a rip your face off rally into the close where the day goes down all day until there is about 20 minutes or so left in the day before the price magically rises to the gap we started at. Keep an eye out for that shenanigans as well.

**chico2663** · 12-09-20, 02:00 PM

i'm getting bludgeoned today.

**allabout the $$$** · 12-09-20, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

i'm getting bludgeoned today.

Me too anyone on glsi? If so congratulations on the homerun

**homie1975** · 12-09-20, 02:42 PM

i've been MIA but glad to see this thread is still rocking. tremendous knowledge in this thread.

**chico2663** · 12-09-20, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by allabout the $$$

Me too anyone on glsi? If so congratulations on the homerun

i wish

**RoyBacon** · 12-09-20, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

i'm getting bludgeoned today.

Started good. But green has turned to red. Nothing terribly bad yet.

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 03:01 PM

Just switched off the SPXU and went with the UPRO into the close for a scalper. I will not be holding after the close so this is just an hour thing.

Got it at 71.85. I'm wrong at $71.35 and will get out below that number. 1000 shares

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Slurry Pumper

Just switched off the SPXU and went with the UPRO into the close for a scalper. I will not be holding after the close so this is just an hour thing.

Got it at 71.85. I'm wrong at $71.35 and will get out below that number. 1000 shares

Trade is going my way so I moved a stop loss up to the entry point for now.

**Snowball** · 12-09-20, 03:17 PM

AMZN chart looks very weak.
The market is tired.

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Slurry Pumper

Trade is going my way so I moved a stop loss up to the entry point for now.

Where goes that idea. Still didn't lose anything.

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 03:31 PM

Trying it again at $71.35 (low of the day). 1000 UPRO

**Slurry Pumper** · 12-09-20, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Slurry Pumper

Trying it again at $71.35 (low of the day). 1000 UPRO

top out at 71.70 so I sold at 71.65. Whatever, I'll take the $300 and run.

**RoyBacon** · 12-09-20, 03:55 PM

Nasdaq down.... dbl gulp -300.

A little spotting going on...

**Crusherrr** · 12-09-20, 06:12 PM

Uhhhhh- TSNP down to .02 after hours. -95%. Did I really just lose $4,000 in one day on this.

**allabout the $$$** · 12-09-20, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Crusherrr

Uhhhhh- TSNP down to .02 after hours. -95%. Did I really just lose $4,000 in one day on this.

Lol it was a glitch. Did you watch the conference call

**kaliboyz** · 12-09-20, 06:53 PM

Conferences call was good.. Their Market place will be the Silkroad 2.0 in a legal version. Check out their site... The market place is up...

**Crusherrr** · 12-09-20, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by allabout the $$$

Lol it was a glitch. Did you watch the conference call

I was sweating bullets.

**chico2663** · 12-10-20, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by RoyBacon

Nasdaq down.... dbl gulp -300.

A little spotting going on...

Tsla shit the bed. Did they issue more shares?

**Madison** · 12-10-20, 09:06 AM

[QUOTE=chico2663;29948096]food for thought. Any stock in a 401k and certain retirement accounts can't be shorted. Any other can be unless a sell order in. i have 1500 in cydy with e trade. i put a sell order for 300 a share on cydy. i have 800 with td ameritrade that is a sep. i don't have to put an order in.[/QUOTE1

Regarding 401K etc and shorting. Can't you use Powershares etf's?

**allabout the $$$** · 12-10-20, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by chico2663

Tsla shit the bed. Did they issue more shares?

Accident with one of their cars in South Korea. Under investigation for faulty driving system. 1 fatality that supposedly happened when the car went out of control and burst into flames. Took over an hour to put the fire out

**kaliboyz** · 12-10-20, 10:06 AM

$TSNP updates:
retired 89mil shares of the OS...
$50mil warrants has been bought by the Advisor that owned Forwardly. 2 years term.

Cooking something good...

**Snowball** · 12-10-20, 10:29 AM

Breaking - Airbnb indicated to open at $150, IPO was priced at $68

this is literally a P/E Ratio of 300 based on 2020 earnings.

**Snowball** · 12-10-20, 10:31 AM

Breaking Natural Gas
stockpiles fell 91 bcf last week.
better than expected.

**Crusherrr** · 12-10-20, 10:34 AM

You boys are either going to make me a fortune- or lose a fortune.