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  • navyblue81
    SBR MVP
    • 11-29-13
    • 4143

    #4516
    Moderna killing me today. Should have sold after yesterday
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    • milwaukee mike
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      • 08-22-07
      • 26914

      #4517
      Originally posted by d2bets
      And another $22+ since. Earnings Thursday ATB should be interesting.
      between your NVDA call and my PENN call, someone could've made some serious coin!

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      • chico2663
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        • 09-02-10
        • 36915

        #4518
        fb inching to 220. Waiting til 300 to take some profits.
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        • chico2663
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          • 09-02-10
          • 36915

          #4519
          Originally posted by navyblue81
          Moderna killing me today. Should have sold after yesterday

          Trump put the lobbyist on his pandemic team. You knew he was going to sell his shares. He was supposed to sell when he took that govt job. But don't worry he is giving profits to cure cancer.
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          • navyblue81
            SBR MVP
            • 11-29-13
            • 4143

            #4520
            Originally posted by chico2663
            Trump put the lobbyist on his pandemic team. You knew he was going to sell his shares. He was supposed to sell when he took that govt job. But don't worry he is giving profits to cure cancer.
            So many mixed reports on it. Read articles where they expect it to peak at $120 in the next few weeks and then another article says to sell. Trying to hang in and just hope it’s an off day.
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            • Shafted69
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-04-08
              • 6412

              #4521
              Anyone listening to INO presentation today?
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              • homie1975
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 12-24-13
                • 15452

                #4522
                Originally posted by navyblue81
                Moderna killing me today. Should have sold after yesterday
                I hate pharma and biotech stocks. They trade like leveraged ETFs. I'd rather own a basket of companies in ETF than a pharma or biotech stock
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                • Slurry Pumper
                  SBR MVP
                  • 06-18-18
                  • 2811

                  #4523
                  Rough last hour for the market today as the S&P continues to be range bound in the I-Beam of bullshit chart. Usually a tanking in the last hour doesn't bode well for the next day, but we'll see. I expect the plunger boys to come in later tonight an put up some more scaffolding. Basically this market doesn't go higher without the financial participation. Until that happens, you can have all the vaccine and treatment news you like along with stories of the country opening up for bidness and it just won't matter until the banks show up and represent.
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                  • d2bets
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                    • 08-10-05
                    • 39994

                    #4524
                    Originally posted by Slurry Pumper
                    Rough last hour for the market today as the S&P continues to be range bound in the I-Beam of bullshit chart. Usually a tanking in the last hour doesn't bode well for the next day, but we'll see. I expect the plunger boys to come in later tonight an put up some more scaffolding. Basically this market doesn't go higher without the financial participation. Until that happens, you can have all the vaccine and treatment news you like along with stories of the country opening up for bidness and it just won't matter until the banks show up and represent.
                    The plunger boys lol

                    Lots of hopes and dreams and wishes and unicorns underpinning this market.
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                    • Shafted69
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 07-04-08
                      • 6412

                      #4525
                      Originally posted by Slurry Pumper
                      Rough last hour for the market today as the S&P continues to be range bound in the I-Beam of bullshit chart. Usually a tanking in the last hour doesn't bode well for the next day, but we'll see. I expect the plunger boys to come in later tonight an put up some more scaffolding. Basically this market doesn't go higher without the financial participation. Until that happens, you can have all the vaccine and treatment news you like along with stories of the country opening up for bidness and it just won't matter until the banks show up and represent.
                      My name is Jerome Powell. I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
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                      • Snowball
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                        • 11-15-09
                        • 30047

                        #4526
                        Don't worry about the S&P, Nasdaq, Dow so much as the news from your individual stocks.
                        The primary separation now - is between Covid stocks (pharma, streaming, shipping-based shopping)
                        and the growing appetite for buying back into the beaten down sectors who are only starting to emerge
                        from Covid decimation. Therefore, sector shifts and shifts away from macros into mediums and micros
                        can make the Big Averages appear to be stressed, but what's really happening is the shift from Covid stocks
                        to others that are not often represented in the Big Averages.
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                        • chico2663
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                          • 09-02-10
                          • 36915

                          #4527
                          Originally posted by KnuckleHeadz
                          Yes.... I work at the largest facility they own on the west coast and we’ve yet to slow down during this pandemic.. we have made significant moves in the last few weeks to put us in very good position to rebound here shortly. We also supply California with 25% of its gasoline
                          Buddies work at Ashland oil. I have owned mro.
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                          • homie1975
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-24-13
                            • 15452

                            #4528
                            Originally posted by d2bets
                            The plunger boys lol

                            Lots of hopes and dreams and wishes and unicorns underpinning this market.
                            that's right but DON'T FIGHT THE FED !!!
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                            • Snowball
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                              • 11-15-09
                              • 30047

                              #4529
                              ROKU looks like a short.
                              BA is a buy.
                              Rumor that GE may spin off its segments which would be VERY long term bullish for the stock.
                              June reopenings and back to work numbers are going to make visible in real terms
                              that the worst is over. And it IS over because the restrictions are TOO MUCH
                              and people are getting rightfully upset.
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                              • Slurry Pumper
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-18-18
                                • 2811

                                #4530
                                Originally posted by Snowball
                                Don't worry about the S&P, Nasdaq, Dow so much as the news from your individual stocks.
                                The primary separation now - is between Covid stocks (pharma, streaming, shipping-based shopping)
                                and the growing appetite for buying back into the beaten down sectors who are only starting to emerge
                                from Covid decimation. Therefore, sector shifts and shifts away from macros into mediums and micros
                                can make the Big Averages appear to be stressed, but what's really happening is the shift from Covid stocks
                                to others that are not often represented in the Big Averages.
                                I think I agree. As an engineer by trade, I don't partake in language that well. Are you saying that the stocks that were doing well right after the late March lows, are getting long in the tooth, and the new stocks sectors to look at would be the Oil, Financial, Air Line, Brick and Mortar Retail, and Restaurants along with the Russel 2000ish stocks? BTW what about gold mining stocks, I've made a killing in stocks like GDX and AUY? I think those keep going for a while, and when the fundamentals catch up to reality I think the gold miners soar again.
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                                • milwaukee mike
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 08-22-07
                                  • 26914

                                  #4531
                                  Originally posted by Snowball
                                  ROKU looks like a short.
                                  BA is a buy.
                                  Rumor that GE may spin off its segments which would be VERY long term bullish for the stock.
                                  June reopenings and back to work numbers are going to make visible in real terms
                                  that the worst is over. And it IS over because the restrictions are TOO MUCH
                                  and people are getting rightfully upset.
                                  things are starting to open at a rapid pace... once people realize there is no boogeyman out there, things will be moving... golf courses are packed, casinos, restaurants, etc will start being as busy as capacity allows
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                                  • d2bets
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 08-10-05
                                    • 39994

                                    #4532
                                    Originally posted by Snowball
                                    ROKU looks like a short.
                                    BA is a buy.
                                    Rumor that GE may spin off its segments which would be VERY long term bullish for the stock.
                                    June reopenings and back to work numbers are going to make visible in real terms
                                    that the worst is over. And it IS over because the restrictions are TOO MUCH
                                    and people are getting rightfully upset.
                                    Being upset doesn't make it "over". The virus doesn't care about your feelings of the restrictions. It is likely to abate some over the summer, but anyone who thinks it won't roar back come fall is delusional.
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                                    • Goat Milk
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                                      • 03-24-10
                                      • 25850

                                      #4533
                                      Is Moderna's vaccine gonna work? All stocks are relying on one company.... Strange feeling.
                                      Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                      • homie1975
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-24-13
                                        • 15452

                                        #4534
                                        Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                        Is Moderna's vaccine gonna work? All stocks are relying on one company.... Strange feeling.
                                        Probably not.

                                        not true.
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                                        • navyblue81
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-29-13
                                          • 4143

                                          #4535
                                          Going with Roku today. Early futures look good.
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                                          • chico2663
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 09-02-10
                                            • 36915

                                            #4536
                                            No they have many companies that are in trials to be the big winner.
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                                            • navyblue81
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 11-29-13
                                              • 4143

                                              #4537
                                              Originally posted by chico2663
                                              No they have many companies that are in trials to be the big winner.
                                              Losing faith with my Moderna stock. Was a gamble but looks like a failed one. Luckily my other stocks in oil and Roku are looking up thus far so I may be able to overcome the losses with Moderna.
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                                              • Goat Milk
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 03-24-10
                                                • 25850

                                                #4538
                                                Originally posted by homie1975
                                                Probably not.

                                                not true.
                                                If Moderna and some of the others, which are behind them now, fail, market will tank again. 5 on it?
                                                Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                • Goat Milk
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 03-24-10
                                                  • 25850

                                                  #4539
                                                  Originally posted by navyblue81
                                                  Losing faith with my Moderna stock. Was a gamble but looks like a failed one. Luckily my other stocks in oil and Roku are looking up thus far so I may be able to overcome the losses with Moderna.
                                                  F u mean, if you bought at 25 you're up huge. No point to invest after a biotech blowsup.
                                                  Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                  • navyblue81
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 11-29-13
                                                    • 4143

                                                    #4540
                                                    Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                    F u mean, if you bought at 25 you're up huge. No point to invest after a biotech blowsup.
                                                    Unfortunately I bought at 75 when It looked like it was heading towards 120, according to experts. Then yesterday afternooon happened. I actually technically bought at 60 but had problems with transfer and didn’t settle in til it was at 75.
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                                                    • homie1975
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 12-24-13
                                                      • 15452

                                                      #4541
                                                      Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                      If Moderna and some of the others, which are behind them now, fail, market will tank again. 5 on it?
                                                      in order to wager we have to define "fail". you mean retest the March 23 lows? No.

                                                      the market is being driven back up mainly by Big Tech and The Fed.

                                                      all the vaccine news and meds like Remdesivir do, are prop up the market with a small boost. if neg news comes out there is a mini sell off.

                                                      i am with D2 that the next Support point is SPX 2640.

                                                      i will be very surprised if we drop below this between now and 12/31/2020
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                                                      • Goat Milk
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                                                        • 03-24-10
                                                        • 25850

                                                        #4542
                                                        Originally posted by homie1975
                                                        in order to wager we have to define "fail". you mean retest the March 23 lows? No.

                                                        the market is being driven back up mainly by Big Tech and The Fed.

                                                        all the vaccine news and meds like Remdesivir do, are prop up the market with a small boost. if neg news comes out there is a mini sell off.

                                                        i am with D2 that the next Support point is SPX 2640.

                                                        i will be very surprised if we drop below this between now and 12/31/2020
                                                        So let's take a look at a possible chain of events.

                                                        - economies reopen.
                                                        - moderna and others continue to work.
                                                        - infection rate goes up.
                                                        - stocks go down
                                                        - we keep the economies open but the new numbers start to scare people again and they don't go out much besides work
                                                        - certain workplaces start to get corona employees and those companies shut down again
                                                        - cnn scares ppl even more now
                                                        - stocks plummet
                                                        - moderna and others continue to work
                                                        - fall comes
                                                        - hospitals become overhwhelmed with the cold weather, tons of ppl think they have corona
                                                        - stocks go down more
                                                        - we'll doing whatever we can to get the vaccine up and going, but more are dying

                                                        If you think this is a possible scenario, then this illustrates how the entire stock market is relying on moderna and other biotechs.
                                                        Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                                        • Enkhbat
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 04-18-11
                                                          • 3145

                                                          #4543
                                                          I don't know. It seems like moderna was pump and dump.
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                                                          • Snowball
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 11-15-09
                                                            • 30047

                                                            #4544
                                                            Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                                            things are starting to open at a rapid pace... once people realize there is no boogeyman out there, things will be moving... golf courses are packed, casinos, restaurants, etc will start being as busy as capacity allows
                                                            True, but there's still a lot to consider, and every company has its own set of vulnerabilities, such as what levels of revenue will return, how quickly, and the damages to the financial conditions of the companies is so different that no algorithmic traders are going to be able to predict fundamental analysis that will move the money according to responsibility to clients.
                                                            I know charting, but I don't like algorithms and high-speed trading network softwares that have been fed on easy money since 2010 or so. Why is because they made fundamentals basically irrelevant - fundamentals ARE NOW relevant again in a big way to the individual stock picker. They aren't as relevant to the index and sector traders, but the biggest gains and losses are in individual equities, so trust me when I say fundamentals are BACK - at least for a while.
                                                            anyway I sold the SPG calls and I'm up a solid 85% for May between SPG and USO alone. I didn't buy Draftkings warrants but I told a friend of mine about them at the end of April and he's up well over 100%.
                                                            I still like some sectors quite a bit but we can't just look at technicals because there is the big, bad quarterly reports coming up - not the most recent one, but the next one - which will fully imprint all the financial damage done to companies during their shutdowns. That's not coming up until August - and the numbers will be horrific for many, dilutions will occur - secondary offerings, debt downgrades, all sorts of balance sheet annihilations we haven't seen yet. The positivity to make investors overlook it will have to be just about perfect - full traffic, full school and sports schedules, and successful phase 2 vaccine results from more than one company.
                                                            Last edited by Snowball; 05-20-20, 09:31 AM.
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                                                            • MinnesotaFats
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 12-18-10
                                                              • 14758

                                                              #4545
                                                              Isn't Moderna under investigation by SEC for fleecing investors? Non COVID related stuff, but that's added risk
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                                                              • homie1975
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 12-24-13
                                                                • 15452

                                                                #4546
                                                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                So let's take a look at a possible chain of events.

                                                                - economies reopen.
                                                                - moderna and others continue to work.
                                                                - infection rate goes up.
                                                                - stocks go down
                                                                - we keep the economies open but the new numbers start to scare people again and they don't go out much besides work
                                                                - certain workplaces start to get corona employees and those companies shut down again
                                                                - cnn scares ppl even more now
                                                                - stocks plummet
                                                                - moderna and others continue to work
                                                                - fall comes
                                                                - hospitals become overhwhelmed with the cold weather, tons of ppl think they have corona
                                                                - stocks go down more
                                                                - we'll doing whatever we can to get the vaccine up and going, but more are dying

                                                                If you think this is a possible scenario, then this illustrates how the entire stock market is relying on moderna and other biotechs.
                                                                "stay at home stocks" such as AMZN and NFLX and so many others, have lifted the market FAR MORE than any single or group of biotech stocks has.

                                                                let's move on. We are surging higher in the market, thanks mainly to Big Tech (all employees can WFH no problem) and Stay-At-Home stocks. there are too many to name
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                                                                • homie1975
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-24-13
                                                                  • 15452

                                                                  #4547
                                                                  Originally posted by Enkhbat
                                                                  I don't know. It seems like moderna was pump and dump.
                                                                  Yes.
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                                                                  • homie1975
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 12-24-13
                                                                    • 15452

                                                                    #4548
                                                                    Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                                                    Isn't Moderna under investigation by SEC for fleecing investors? Non COVID related stuff, but that's added risk
                                                                    Yes. but Big Tech, Stay at Home Stocks, and let's add The Fed to that, are far more instrumental in the retrace since March 23 than anything in biotech
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                                                                    • d2bets
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                                      • 39994

                                                                      #4549
                                                                      Originally posted by homie1975
                                                                      Yes. but Big Tech, Stay at Home Stocks, and let's add The Fed to that, are far more instrumental in the retrace since March 23 than anything in biotech
                                                                      Nasdaq indices are within shouting distance of all time highs.
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                                                                      • Roscoe_Word
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 02-28-12
                                                                        • 3999

                                                                        #4550
                                                                        Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                        So let's take a look at a possible chain of events.

                                                                        - economies reopen.
                                                                        - moderna and others continue to work.
                                                                        - infection rate goes up.
                                                                        - stocks go down
                                                                        - we keep the economies open but the new numbers start to scare people again and they don't go out much besides work
                                                                        - certain workplaces start to get corona employees and those companies shut down again
                                                                        - cnn scares ppl even more now
                                                                        - stocks plummet
                                                                        - moderna and others continue to work
                                                                        - fall comes
                                                                        - hospitals become overhwhelmed with the cold weather, tons of ppl think they have corona
                                                                        - stocks go down more
                                                                        - we'll doing whatever we can to get the vaccine up and going, but more are dying

                                                                        If you think this is a possible scenario, then this illustrates how the entire stock market is relying on moderna and other biotechs.
                                                                        Shit. Quite possibly a scenario.
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