US Presidental Election at SBR, currently: Romney 46.7% Obama 53.3%

[CallMeChip]

Buried? LOL. not even close unless you are referring to yourself

Bush Called For Reform of Fannie/Freddie 34 Times Since 2001

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/bush-called-for-reform-of-fanniefreddie-34-times-since-2001/blog-16522/

I prefer facts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

HAHAHA, dude stop taking what I tell you and copy and pasting it into Google, do your own research lol. If you want to trade sub prime crisis quotes, I can break the forum's bandwidth allowance with articles. Do not even try to say George Bush avoided the crisis. LOL His Federal Reserve chairman was Alan Greenspan. I don't have to say anymore than that. If you know anything about Alan Greenspan you'd understand. How about a few more? Henry Paulson, CEO of Goldman Sachs. Ooh ooh I know, the biggest fuktard of all, R. Glenn Hubbard. Economic advisor and consultant for sale, who was Chairman of Council of Economic Advisors to George Bush, who advised George Bush that everything was fine six months before the collapse and has received in excess of a million dollars from former Bear Stearns, Lehman, Morgan Stanley, and AIG executives for "consulting" fees just prior to the crisis. FACT, they're noted on his tax return.

Also, when posting a youtube video make sure it doesn't start out with "THEY TRIED TO BAN THIS VIDEO..." in giant letters. Destroys any possible credibility. FFS did you hear the music?

I can post videos too. Wanna see Glenn Hubbard in action?

By the way, this guy is now the economic advisor to Mitt Romney's current political campaign and would be his first choice for fed reserve chairman or treasury secretary.

[DwightShrute]

I love how you guys say to stop copying and pasting stuff when you do the same. Like some how you get your so called facts from some magical source.

[CallMeChip]

I love how you guys say to stop copying and pasting stuff when you do the same. Like some how you get your so called facts from some magical source.

I get it from reading articles and books, not pasting things from here into Google, looking at their titles, then pasting the link here. Big difference.

[DwightShrute]

I get it from reading articles and books, not pasting things from here into Google, looking at their titles, then pasting the link here. Big difference.

wow. I just posted an article also and you only typed stuff that you read also. Not to mention a video. No difference at all. For ever book you claim to read and post stuff from that suites your argument I can do the same. Get off your high horse.

[King Mayan]

Dwight get a life you motherfukker..

You can't vote.. Obama wins, Mitt wins... Nothing will change... And especially your Canadian costa rican life won't change...

[DwightShrute]

Dwight get a life you motherfukker..

You can't vote.. Obama wins, Mitt wins... Nothing will change... And especially your Canadian costa rican life won't change...

maybe your best post. The same one btw over and over and over. Good job pal. Way ta show your intelligence.

[King Mayan]

Dwight I don't care for intelligence... My balls(testostorone) override my brain anyways..

And you still can't vote..And you don't pay American taxes..

[DwightShrute]

Dwight I don't care for intelligence... .

obviously

now go lift or inject yourself with something. Scoot.

[King Mayan]

ok I'll inject something in my ass..

But you need to go watch fox news talk about American politics while not being able to vote..ok????

[DwightShrute]

ok I'll inject something in my ass..

what's his name?

[King Mayan]

what's his name?

His name is Dwight

[CallMeChip]

wow. I just posted an article also and you only typed stuff that you read also. Not to mention a video. No difference at all. For ever book you claim to read and post stuff from that suites your argument I can do the same. Get off your high horse.

I actually read the article the minute you posted it. George Bush has lots of nice quotes in their but he failed to EVER propose legislation regarding regulation. He said a lot of things like "I want this and I want that", but he never even proposed a plan to implement regulation, I find the Greg Mankiw quotes hilarious since he was CEA Chairman and had more than enough power to advise Bush on the possibility of regulation. Guess who he worked for as economic advisor too? Mitt Romney. We're talking about a guy who said that outsourcing jobs will be of large benefit to the country in the long run. I will not argue that he "called" for reform of specifically F & F, but what's the use in saying something and not doing it? Did you know that George Bush was so in the dark about his own economy that when his economics team got together to discuss the global meltdown and gave him the capital loss figures he said, "It's just a rough patch, right?". The Bush administration basked in its praise for the rise in homeownership, then when the mortgage bubble burst they refused to acknowledge it until they all left office. How's that for integrity?

[DwightShrute]

I actually read the article the minute you posted it. George Bush has lots of nice quotes in their but he failed to EVER propose legislation regarding regulation. He said a lot of things like "I want this and I want that", but he never even proposed a plan to implement regulation, I find the Greg Mankiw quotes hilarious since he was CEA Chairman and had more than enough power to advise Bush on the possibility of regulation. Guess who he worked for as economic advisor too? Mitt Romney. We're talking about a guy who said that outsourcing jobs will be of large benefit to the country in the long run. I will not argue that he "called" for reform of specifically F & F, but what's the use in saying something and not doing it? Did you know that George Bush was so in the dark about his own economy that when his economics team got together to discuss the global meltdown and gave him the capital loss figures he said, "It's just a rough patch, right?". The Bush administration basked in its praise for the rise in homeownership, then when the mortgage bubble burst they refused to acknowledge it until they all left office. How's that for integrity?

fair enough sir. There's blame to go on both sides. Perhaps we can at least agree on that? Here is the main difference as I see it. I criticized the Bush administration for over spending just as I am for Obama but it seems liberals justify Obama's spending by blaming Bush. This seems stupid to me a millions of others. Like 2 wrongs make a right. You're not fooling anyone by deflecting bad policies by one guy by saying " well the other did this or that". It seems silly.

Listen, I have never claimed Romney is the answer to fix America, I just think he is a better solution to Obama. Are standards set so low nowadays that people enthusiastically want 4 more years of this? I think Gary Johnson is a better candidate than both Romney and Obama.

[CallMeChip]

fair enough sir. There's blame to go on both sides. Perhaps we can at least agree on that? Here is the main difference as I see it. I criticized the Bush administration for over spending just as I am for Obama but it seems liberals justify Obama's spending by blaming Bush. This seems stupid to me a millions of others. Like 2 wrongs make a right. You're not fooling anyone by deflecting bad policies by one guy by saying " well the other did this or that". It seems silly.

Listen, I have never claimed Romney is the answer to fix America, I just think he is a better solution to Obama. Are standards set so low nowadays that people enthusiastically want 4 more years of this? I think Gary Johnson is a better candidate than both Romney and Obama.

Very true, Obama is no saint. My point was that a large majority of his policies that have grown the deficit (from 10 to 16 trillion) were purely born from the stimulus package which with interest and extensions amounts to somewhere in the neighborhood of $2.5 trillion dollars. So it would be more appropriate to say he grew the deficit by $3.5 trillion, not 6. The stimulus package was a complete necessity born out of the mortgage crisis. With no stimulus, we would literally, and I mean no exaggeration, have 30% or more of the population not able to afford food or extended housing, basically homeless. If that had taken place, you'd be afraid to step out your front door because crime would skyrocket to nightmarish proportions. Of his $3.5 trillion added to the deficit that people could actually consider a waste, well that's an argument that is more appropriate. I like that the president took a chance on Solyndra and renewable energy, it didn't work out, but I think that kind of investment for research is appropriate. It's no mystery that Mitt would love to burn coal and all fossil fuels until the air is made of 99.9% CO2. I'm sorry, but I can't relate to that contingent, especially when they want to burn them for profit not for growth. I won't vote for Mitt because the guy refuses to divulge specifics of his plans and worst of all his cabinet will be filled to the brim with individuals responsible for the previous financial meltdown. But then again, Timothy Geithner isn't a genius either.

[Thor4140]

U do realise that without a group effort this place would never have gotten off the ground??

Sure, ive no doubt you put the ground work in but without a bunch of ppl smarter than yourself (and thats a compliment, im sure you understand y) to help make SBR what it is there's no way SBR would have what it does today.

i have tried 85 different ways to try to explain to him what Obama meant and he still doesn't get it. This is what the country is up against. Unreachable people.

[Thor4140]

Care to answer my question then you condescending prick?

I also don't think you're at liberty to call anyone retarded when you're about to vote for someone who LITERALLY believes he's wearing magical underwear.

You are trying to reason with a guy who is gonna vote for a guy who wants to cut his wages

[Thor4140]

Worse than buried. I'm done responding to these clueless fvcks.... blame the black guy, he must be the reason this country is so fvcked up....

it amazes me how dumb some are....

i put that ass hat on ignore six months ago. I started to feel like i was getting dumber just trying to reason with the nitwit.

[Thor4140]

The Bush administration basked in its praise for the rise in homeownership, then when the mortgage bubble burst they refused to acknowledge it until they all left office. How's that for integrity?

Oh that was the rallying cry and focal point for the two years until reelection. You would hear this everyday. Amazing how they forgot about this.

[DwightShrute]

i put that ass hat on ignore six months ago. I started to feel like i was getting dumber just trying to reason with the nitwit.

Imagine how I feel. How many forums are you known as the biggest moron? 4?

[InTheDrink]

it's funny that walker/lou have given up and they just round up to the nearest obama number

[ACoochy]

You're kidding right? You honestly take offense to that? Small minds think alike, countries going broke u.s dollars about to collapse lets talk about god and abortion though

Ok, I'll bite this one time.

Yes I do take offense to that. Surprised you wouldn't actually. What right does someone have to push their religious beliefs onto another person?

Small minds lol hey ur the one wanting to place every insecurity u have into something u can't even prove exists.

We also run a surplus on the budget.

U just make sure those debt ceilings continue to increase, otherwise the deck of cards will come falling down and nobody will be spared.

[SBR_John]

Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post

U do realise that without a group effort this place would never have gotten off the ground??

Sure, ive no doubt you put the ground work in but without a bunch of ppl smarter than yourself (and thats a compliment, im sure you understand y) to help make SBR what it is there's no way SBR would have what it does today.

Speechless. More sad than upset that Americans could actually harbor such a thought. So The Founders gave us a country to be free but I could not have built my business without the federal government taxing me and red taping me almost to death??? Unfreaking real and sad.

[Dark Horse]

Divided and conquered over virtual non-issues. While the banksters and their Wall Street cronies steal your wealth. Dumb and dumber doesn't begin to describe it. Imagine if you could print money out of thin air, charge a government (which should print the money) interest for doing so, and give an unlimited supply to your pals to make any bet, and also increase the credit limit of the regular guy who won't be able to pay off his home loan. When those bets and loans bankrupt the country that's ok. Because now you print more money out of thin air and buy up land, real estate, stocks, etc, for pennies on the dollar. And those lost bets? No matter. Your brothers are too big to fail. (New rule: Too big to fail! lol). Give 'm a fresh supply of cash. No questions asked. Don't worry about the People. Too busy bickering about 'abortion' to note what is going down. Highway robbery. Those presidential candidates, as the parties they represent, are already bought and paid for. They don't represent your interests. Rather, they betrayed your interests, and sold your vote to the highest bidder.

[rkelly110]

Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post

U do realise that without a group effort this place would never have gotten off the ground??

Sure, ive no doubt you put the ground work in but without a bunch of ppl smarter than yourself (and thats a compliment, im sure you understand y) to help make SBR what it is there's no way SBR would have what it does today.

Speechless. More sad than upset that Americans could actually harbor such a thought. So The Founders gave us a country to be free but I could not have built my business without the federal government taxing me and red taping me almost to death??? Unfreaking real and sad.

He's an Aussy.

[greenhippo]

Uneducated retards isn't accurate. There are plenty of intelligent Democrats out there. However a large percentage of people who make less than 15k to 20k a year vote democrat. Stereotypes usually derive from some sort of truth. Fat people like cake. Black people are good at basketball and can't swim. White people can't dance or jump. People with lower socioeconomic statuses/levels are perceived to be poor, uneducated...dumb. Same thing with Republicans. Not all R's are bible abiding crazies. And before anyone jumps to conclusions, I'm not a D or a R. I'm more of a moderate.

How odd, states like Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, West Virginia, Louisiana. States which are by FAR the poorest in the nation, they vote overwhelmingly Republican. Why is it the poorest states vote R but you say the poor people vote D? It's so weird, all of the wealthy states, mostly in New England area, all vote D. Say you're a moderate but don't even realize that poor states vote R? It would take you 20 seconds to figure these things out.

[KingJD31]

All those states excepg west virg have highest percent of black population, black people make up about 12% of us population and 38% of welfare so don't even make it about republicans

How odd, states like Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, West Virginia, Louisiana. States which are by FAR the poorest in the nation, they vote overwhelmingly Republican. Why is it the poorest states vote R but you say the poor people vote D? It's so weird, all of the wealthy states, mostly in New England area, all vote D. Say you're a moderate but don't even realize that poor states vote R? It would take you 20 seconds to figure these things out.

[RogueScholar]

I've lost a lot of respect for you throughout this political process John.

Not that you care, but your partisan hackery is borderline startling. Figured you'd be much more P.C. or keep a much lower profile given your position at SBR, but I guess not.

And again, this is coming from a registered Independent who has pulled the lever for more red than blue in my voting life.

Welcome to the club. It's hard not to dislike someone who believes his success in one narrow area of life makes him inherently superior to others, and thus believes his opinion matters more. That very mentality summarizes the conservative POV best: "I made the money, so I should decide how it's spent."

You would like to hope that through constant exposure to sports betting, John would be acutely aware of the fact that there is not a single special thing about him, he simply got a few lucky rolls of the dice, which places him at the top of the SBR pyramid rather than being just another bitter degen poster. Life is one big random number generator, and it's only when you truly accept that that you can formulate a responsible self-image and attitude towards humanity at large.

If John were one of the 47% who doesn't pay taxes, he would most assuredly hope that the 53% was intelligent enough to see that their continued prosperity hinged on making sure that his ability to prosper was reinforced and improved. Likewise, if he was gay, he'd hope that heterosexual gambling forum owners had enough universal respect for humanity to support equal civil rights for all people regardless of sexual orientation and had the balls to say so regardless of how popular the idea was.

Sadly though, John will likely never make it to that level of enlightenment. As soon as he found a way to measure himself against others using money and found himself in an exclusive percentile, he stopped caring. That goes for politics, posters, and most everything else. He'll hold those Romney shares until they're worth nothing, because he can afford to take the loss and wants people here to take notice of what his greed enables him to do.

People John's age are always whining about how nobody respects their elders anymore in Western culture, but wouldn't it be awesome if he cared as much about being an elder worthy of respect? Strangely enough the Democrats created this generation of Republicans, implementing Social Security and allowing old people to become douche bags without fear of alienating the people they're beholden to for care in their waning years.

[KingJD31]

It doesn't offend you, you are like all athiests looking to start a revolution to make a point about science. What are you offended of? You don't believe in anything nothing to be offended about

Ok, I'll bite this one time.

Yes I do take offense to that. Surprised you wouldn't actually. What right does someone have to push their religious beliefs onto another person?

Small minds lol hey ur the one wanting to place every insecurity u have into something u can't even prove exists.

We also run a surplus on the budget.

U just make sure those debt ceilings continue to increase, otherwise the deck of cards will come falling down and nobody will be spared.

[daneblazer]

How odd, states like Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, West Virginia, Louisiana. States which are by FAR the poorest in the nation, they vote overwhelmingly Republican. Why is it the poorest states vote R but you say the poor people vote D? It's so weird, all of the wealthy states, mostly in New England area, all vote D. Say you're a moderate but don't even realize that poor states vote R? It would take you 20 seconds to figure these things out.

Look at the demographics and electoral studies over years and years. People with low incomes vote D. People with low incomes also don't vote. You can't look at the total income of the state because the lower class doesn't make it to the polls. It skews the numbers.

[King Mayan]

How odd, states like Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, West Virginia, Louisiana. States which are by FAR the poorest in the nation, they vote overwhelmingly Republican. Why is it the poorest states vote R but you say the poor people vote D? It's so weird, all of the wealthy states, mostly in New England area, all vote D. Say you're a moderate but don't even realize that poor states vote R? It would take you 20 seconds to figure these things out.

greenhippo thats a lie..Rush told me it was a lie.. I believe him!!

[ACoochy]

It doesn't offend you, you are like all athiests looking to start a revolution to make a point about science. What are you offended of? You don't believe in anything nothing to be offended about

Presumption is the mother of all fukk ups.

I'm agnostic.

Y do u have to be the kind of yank that personifies the "dumberican" tag??

[ACoochy]

He's an Aussy.

How's that 15 trillion dollar decifit working for ya there pal??

[ACoochy]

Quote Originally Posted by ACoochy View Post

U do realise that without a group effort this place would never have gotten off the ground??

Sure, ive no doubt you put the ground work in but without a bunch of ppl smarter than yourself (and thats a compliment, im sure you understand y) to help make SBR what it is there's no way SBR would have what it does today.

Speechless. More sad than upset that Americans could actually harbor such a thought. So The Founders gave us a country to be free but I could not have built my business without the federal government taxing me and red taping me almost to death??? Unfreaking real and sad.

Nobody said it was perfect and ur always free to relocate if u don't like it.

Hang on, haven't you done so sometime ago??

Success isn't given, its earnt and nobody said it was easy.

Lol at the millionaire complaining that he pays too much

Utterly speechless...

Johnnie, how much is enough??

[CallMeChip]

All those states excepg west virg have highest percent of black population, black people make up about 12% of us population and 38% of welfare so don't even make it about republicans

Would love to see your numbers not from typing "blacks on welfare" into Google? Because blacks do not simply make up 38% of welfare. Do you know the definition of the term "welfare"? It's not a single entity. Welfare covers all personal government aid. There's no government fund just called "welfare". Don't start with the black stereotype please. Black single mothers make up 39%, while white single mothers make up 38.1% of AFDC only, not all welfare aid, almost no difference. On the flip side, food stamp recipients are 37% black and 46.2% white. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5% black and 48.5% white. That's right folks, WHITE PEOPLE get more government "welfare" aid than Blacks. I fukkin' hate stupid racial stereotypes.

[McBa1n]

*deleted as to respect the dialogue going on - well done*
Not sorry if you were offended by what I wrote (if you caught it) - but I read what was going on in the thread AFTER I posted - I like where this thread is going. REAL f'n dialogue. HOLY CRAP there is hope, afterall.
I don't want to fuel the fire. just hard having discussion with a peanut gallery that doesn't even try to do anything but repeat what you can hear on fox.