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Pshhhhhh....Mike Brown > Phil Jackson. That bum only has 10 rings and 12 Finals appearances.
Mo Williams WENT OFF ON BOSTON for 1 quarter in game 1 and 1 half in game 6. MO IS A PLAYOFF STUD > Pippen.
Boobie FOR 3 > Steve Kerr anyday. Steve Kerr?
A Jamison > Lamar Odom, Ron Harper.
Cavs Shaq > Lakers Shaq
and Obama is an Angel sent from Heaven
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Hoopster,
Anyone tuning into this argument would see your lack of NBA knowledge. I countered all your points, proved why the Lakers struggled in those years, and dismantled any rebuttal you had about the Shaq/Gasol statement.
Anyone that says "Kobe can't win without Shaq or Gasol" is seriously lacking in NBA knowledge. Even Williams22, the biggest Kobe hater of all, would never make this statement. Although he hates Kobe, he recognizes greatness when he sees it. You are a fool if you continue to believe this about arguably one of the best players ever to play the game.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
All these NBA guys on their high horse...sick of them, quite franklyComment -
kobe is one of the greatest all time, no question about it, but without shaq or gasol he would have zero rings right now, zero. lebron has not had even close to the talent around him that kobe has had. anyone who disagrees knows nothing about the nba and basketball at the highest levelComment -
incorrect. they had otis thorpe who was one of the best rebounding forwards in the league, if not the best. check his stats. they also had 4 excellent 3 pt shooters in kenny smith, sam cassell, vernon maxwell, and robert horry, oh yea, dont forget CLYDE FUKKEN DREXLER in 95 also. hakeem was surrounded by talent which is why they won back to back titles. hakeem and the rockets over the yrs were one of the only teams in the league who had a winning record against michael jordan and the bulls, which is why when jordan retired, they immediately went to the forefront to win the title, and they did both yrsComment -
Shaq would have 0 rings if he didn't play with the 2 best players on the planet.
That's why he failed in Orlando, he failed in PHX, and he couldn't even hold his own ground in Miami after Wade got injured.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
He had mutumbo who was an all star at the time. Offensively that was a weak team and the everything ran through Iverson but basically every player other than Iverson was a great defender. Ben Gordon could of took that team to the finals because of the way they played defense.Comment -
those of you questioning my opinion are getting fukken owned right now. i'm toying with your sorry assesComment -
That is correct. But remember that the league was much different back then. You could win a championship with 1 superstar on your team and a bunch of role players. It's not like that anymore. And comparitively (to the rest of the league at the time), the Rockets had more talent.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Also like williams22 said overall talent level was way down at the time, NBA superstars included guys like Antoine Walker, Steve Francis, Keith "the truth" Van Horn, Shareef Abdur Rahim etc.Comment -
Hoopster,
You have been getting owned all day in this argument with Kobe. I just made a Kobe hater admit that Kobe is one of the greatest of all time. Shut your trap boy.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Nobody else ever did? That Rockets team had almost nothing outside of Hakeem, every team has some players but I don't think they win 20 games without him There are a few names on the team, but Thorpe was way past his prime, Cassell was a below average player, and Horry is famous but was never that good and that was only his rookie year also.Comment -
jordan never lost in the finals, kobe has lost twice in the finals. jordan far superior to kobe, magic superior to kobe, bird superior, bill russell superior, kareem too, wilt chamberlain. kobe is disliked by majority of fans and fellow players alike because he's a fake rapist piece of shit. oh yea, and in the gm of life, YOU are a nobody which is why you need to gain validity through being a fan of guy who could not give a rat's ass about YOU
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you are an idiot for thinking thorpe was past his prime then. he was 31 freakin yrs old when the 93-94 season started, that's barely past an nba players prime and often times is the fukken prime.
here's some stats of the 94 rockets so you can learn the game a little bit:
4 starters in double figures and 2 backups (horry and elie) within .7 of avg'ing double digits. please learn basketball before talking about itComment -
you just lost ALL credibility. you think because wilt only had 2 titles that he doesnt deserve to be on the best ever list? you know nothing. absolutely nothing.Originally posted by Goat Milk
google ANY nba best players ever list from a credible website and wilt is top 5 in every one of them.Comment -
you are a fool. Have you studied film from the Wilt era? I swear on my life I could have made the NBA if I transferred my skills from today to that time. He was playing with chumps around him. There were about 20 great players in the league at that time. No competition- he fukking toyed with people. If you put Wilt in the league today, he'd be a great center, an all-star, but no superstar. You are a fool because you look at stats. It has nothing to do with his lack of rings.
Do you fukking think Bill Russel would win that many rings if he was playing in the Jordan or Kobe era? Fukk NO. Get a clue. The league was a disgrace during the Wilt era. Watch some film of the players, they're worse than the ballers i hoop with. I'm done with this conversationCause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
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Hoopster, I've agreed with a lot of what you've said but claiming wilt as a top 5 player is absurd. All the other players you listed were indisputable "winners", but not Wilt. The guy obsessed over statistics to no end and spent his career being owned by Russell. For example, he was so obsessed with going an entire season without fouling out that he would often stop playing defense once he had 4 or 5 fouls. He also spent one season obsessed with the idea of leading the league in assists, so he often refused to shoot to pad his assist numbers, then got angry at teammates when they missed shots. Wilt was a freakish athlete yes, but a winner? No way.Comment -
you can only compare players to those in their era, which is why wilt is in the top 5 of EVERY BEST EVER LIST you can find.
i cannot argue with imbeciles so i'm done here.Comment
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