Post best bet or follow ups of the day

[Draynay]

Race 9 Central Banker is the horse to fear and has been training lights out.

[TonyP]

race 3 #1 to me is a false fave 2nd lifetime start first start on rail auto toss for me

and he romps

[mikemca]

Saturday/Kentucky Derby Day



Race 3 We may actually see a Cal bred win on derby day in 1-Masochistic 4-1 instead of the more popular one in R11.4-Swift Humor 12-1 looks like a live firster and 10-Boss Gone 8-1 is the other one.

Masochistic won by a pole

Good sign for the cal breds

[harthebar]

thanks mike

Saturday/Kentucky Derby Day

Race 1 has 3 horses that scratched out of the 4th on Friday in Trace Creek 4-1,Upkeep 5-2, and Foolhardy 10-1.I like the bookends with Nick's Pick 7-2 and Prosecution 5-1.

Race 2 is chalky between top 3 MLs and maybe 4th(Pletcher) but that is assuming he improves him considerably 1st time in the barn.

Race 3 We may actually see a Cal bred win on derby day in 1-Masochistic 4-1 instead of the more popular one in R11.4-Swift Humor 12-1 looks like a live firster and 10-Boss Gone 8-1 is the other one.

Race 4 Sometimes the 7 1/2F turf races are hard to put a figure to but if they turn out to be right with 5-Night Song's 6-1 last then she may be best bet on card.2-Faerie Queene 10-1 is the price and prefer 3-Magical Steps 7-2 of the two faves but safer to use both if possible.

Race 5 is impossible , I can make a case for literally 10 of the 11 horses.I guess 2-Twang 5-1 .

Race 6 While I don't know if 9-Centre Court is 7-5 good I do think her and 8-Effie Trinket 6-1 are the class.Trying to find an outsider to stab at with them.

Race 7 is where we get to see 8-Midnight Lucky freak and Judy the Beauty try to keep up.Looking for a price to throw in 1-Street Girl 20-1.

Race 8 Think Craftsman 12-1 got out of character last race being up front and will change to a more patient ride with the switch to great turf jock.

Race 9 With a trip finally Clearly Now can strut his stuff. Sahara Sky and Shakin It Up are the challengers.3-Broadway Empire 15-1 is a price to use.

Race 10 is the next stop in Wise Dan's victory tour.Kaigun 8-1 was reeling him in last race which is very rare.Wise Dan might finally be coming back to earth.If trying to beat him I would want a huge price and I have been on Finnegan's Wake 20-1 his last 2 turf races which teased me with 2 big late runs.Him or Moro Tap 30-1 would be my stabs

Race 11 - Kentucky Derby
6-Samraat 15-1-Changed my mind on this guy after looking closer at his Wood effort and when I tried to envision the trip of each horse.IMO he is a good bet to get a good trip ,is fast enough on figs,game, and therefore the safest key in a box.
20-Wicked Strong 6-1-Price isn't that bad if you think he should be the favorite.Post is a concern but the way Raj rides it may help.
18-Candy Boy 15-1-Liked Hopp and him more than the fave.SA played against while CD plays for them
4-Danza 8-1-Hate the price and the fact everyone and their momma is on him now .He fits on figs but going from 40-1+ in Arkansas to maybe the 2nd choice in the derby is wedding/funeral if I've ever seen one.Too many question marks to take at his likely price.He will most likely be the biggest underlay in the race.
16-Intense Holiday 8-1-He is also slow on figs and will probably be too far out of it but can grab the back end of exotics.
14-Medal Count 20-1-He ,Intense Holiday, and Danza are the hyped up horses.He is slow figurewise but sired by my 2nd favorite horse and would be nice to see the great sire Dyna get a derby winner 2 years after he passed.
19-Ride On Curlin 15-1-Just keeps on plugging no matter how wide he is.

Others

Dance With Fate - Is a possibility but pedigree screams synth
Chrome - Has some of the same ??? as Danza in most likely facing adversity off easy race(s).Has way more foundation though.Price makes him unplayable imo.
Vicars In Trouble - Really like this horse and it's not his post that is a concern.It's the pace scenario.
Chitu - Ditto as V.I.T and Uncle Sigh
Commading Curve - Could plug his way into the Tri/Super/HI5 and wouldn't argue with anyone liking the 50-1
General A Rod - Is in the picture figurewise and could be playable.He just doesn't seem to have killer instinct.



Race 12 is 9-Captain Genius 12-1, 7-Bull Dozer 3-1, and 2-Platitude 6-1.

Race 13 Party Time is an overlay at 3-1.6-Silent Ruler 15-1 and 8-Rocket Time 15-1 are the prices.

[Draynay]

Race 10 is all about Wise Dan holding off Seek Again.... just box and call it a day.

[Draynay]

Race 11 key Danza with wildcat, wicked strong, intense, medal and general.... tri and super

[harthebar]

churchill downs
race 6 Ready Signal
RACE 11 DERBY RIDE ON CURLIN MYPICK danza TAPITURE SAMRAAT Uncle Sigh YEP

River Boss is entered to run on May 3, 2014, at BELMONT PARK. 6th

Assateague is entered to run on May 3, 2014, at BELMONT PARK.9th

Tetradrachm and sky blazer is entered to run on May 3, 2014, at BELMONT PARK.10th

Fury Kapcori is entered on May 3, 2014 at SANTA ANITA PARK.9th

Valid Concept is scheduled to run on 5/3/2014 in Race 8 at Gulfstream Park.
CC RACY is entered on 05/03/14 at Freehold Raceway 6th
Candy's Sunrise is scheduled to run on 5/3/2014 in Race 7 at Santa Anita.
Truly Mizzed is scheduled to run on 5/3/2014 in Race 12 at Belmont.
Little Miss Brown is scheduled to run on 5/3/2014 in Race 12 at Belmont.
Or is scheduled to run on 5/3/2014 in Race 1 at Yonkers Raceway. do do do do

[harthebar]

I must be the only one who likes ride on curlin
, thats not good, huh

[TonyP]

thanks to the #2 in race 4 MIke , cashed a saver dble

[mikemca]

thanks to the #2 in race 4 MIke , cashed a saver dble

np had him on top both contests $19.20--$8.00--$5.00

[harthebar]

Like you, danza, after the ark derby, i really thought danza would be more like 15-1 area, i'm really shocked that he is 8-1, and now he is quote ...the wise guy horse.........but 8-1, still nice, on any horse..but here ...ahhhhh. I just dont get it....and when i saw the ..that the players were on him, i kept waiting for t.p. To take bravo off, i like bravo, and he is the one guy i would love to see win the derby, plus it will make that hats value go up...lol.

thanks mike

[TonyP]

SA race 2 #2

[mikemca]

I must be the only one who likes ride on curlin
, thats not good, huh

His dam side is sprinty but has shown no signs of not getting there.

[harthebar]

I know you know a lot more this than i will ever know, but at what point does the breeding get tossed out, at 4. Or should we start to know know

his dam side is sprinty but has shown no signs of not getting there.

[harthebar]

Hey guys, i just found out why danza is taken so much money, we all know the big time celebs.....from hollywood, have all the cash........so they are playing ...danza as in tony danza ....they all love him... Then put bravo on him another italian there you go.

[mikemca]

I know you know a lot more this than i will ever know, but at what point does the breeding get tossed out, at 4. Or should we start to know know

After the first time they run the distance

[harthebar]

Wow i never knew they dont take 10 cent superfectas at churchill is that always..i never play the bet, but with so much money and so many horses, what the hell

[TonyP]

if you have the bris pp take a look at the late pace fig for the #3 in race 6 going to use him with the 9

[harthebar]

Any thought on the track today, who is it to benefit

[mikemca]

if you have the bris pp take a look at the late pace fig for the #3 in race 6 going to use him with the 9

You shouldn't use any figures Bris makes unless for toilet paper.

Because they are made with sort of a one size fits all approach they are very flawed

[mikemca]

Any thought on the track today, who is it to benefit

So far has been all speed on dirt which would make the derby impossible given there are a bunch of speed horses that don't want the distance

[Draynay]

Race 7 at Churchill...... going fot the upset with the 7 horse..... loves the track and will sit off all the speed.

[TonyP]

lets see how Espinoza rides the 6 here in the 7th

[harthebar]

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[harthebar]

Meaning impossible to capp , or impossible , because there are a lot of horse that want to go, ,what do you mean .

so far has been all speed on dirt which would make the derby impossible given there are a bunch of speed horses that don't want the distance

[harthebar]

im just bring your page down, so it wont fall of the page.

thanks mike

[harthebar]

it did ,already..

Saturday/Kentucky Derby Day

Race 1 has 3 horses that scratched out of the 4th on Friday in Trace Creek 4-1,Upkeep 5-2, and Foolhardy 10-1.I like the bookends with Nick's Pick 7-2 and Prosecution 5-1.

Race 2 is chalky between top 3 MLs and maybe 4th(Pletcher) but that is assuming he improves him considerably 1st time in the barn.

Race 3 We may actually see a Cal bred win on derby day in 1-Masochistic 4-1 instead of the more popular one in R11.4-Swift Humor 12-1 looks like a live firster and 10-Boss Gone 8-1 is the other one.

Race 4 Sometimes the 7 1/2F turf races are hard to put a figure to but if they turn out to be right with 5-Night Song's 6-1 last then she may be best bet on card.2-Faerie Queene 10-1 is the price and prefer 3-Magical Steps 7-2 of the two faves but safer to use both if possible.

Race 5 is impossible , I can make a case for literally 10 of the 11 horses.I guess 2-Twang 5-1 .

Race 6 While I don't know if 9-Centre Court is 7-5 good I do think her and 8-Effie Trinket 6-1 are the class.Trying to find an outsider to stab at with them.

Race 7 is where we get to see 8-Midnight Lucky freak and Judy the Beauty try to keep up.Looking for a price to throw in 1-Street Girl 20-1.

Race 8 Think Craftsman 12-1 got out of character last race being up front and will change to a more patient ride with the switch to great turf jock.

Race 9 With a trip finally Clearly Now can strut his stuff. Sahara Sky and Shakin It Up are the challengers.3-Broadway Empire 15-1 is a price to use.

Race 10 is the next stop in Wise Dan's victory tour.Kaigun 8-1 was reeling him in last race which is very rare.Wise Dan might finally be coming back to earth.If trying to beat him I would want a huge price and I have been on Finnegan's Wake 20-1 his last 2 turf races which teased me with 2 big late runs.Him or Moro Tap 30-1 would be my stabs

Race 11 - Kentucky Derby
6-Samraat 15-1-Changed my mind on this guy after looking closer at his Wood effort and when I tried to envision the trip of each horse.IMO he is a good bet to get a good trip ,is fast enough on figs,game, and therefore the safest key in a box.
20-Wicked Strong 6-1-Price isn't that bad if you think he should be the favorite.Post is a concern but the way Raj rides it may help.
18-Candy Boy 15-1-Liked Hopp and him more than the fave.SA played against while CD plays for them
4-Danza 8-1-Hate the price and the fact everyone and their momma is on him now .He fits on figs but going from 40-1+ in Arkansas to maybe the 2nd choice in the derby is wedding/funeral if I've ever seen one.Too many question marks to take at his likely price.He will most likely be the biggest underlay in the race.
16-Intense Holiday 8-1-He is also slow on figs and will probably be too far out of it but can grab the back end of exotics.
14-Medal Count 20-1-He ,Intense Holiday, and Danza are the hyped up horses.He is slow figurewise but sired by my 2nd favorite horse and would be nice to see the great sire Dyna get a derby winner 2 years after he passed.
19-Ride On Curlin 15-1-Just keeps on plugging no matter how wide he is.

Others

Dance With Fate - Is a possibility but pedigree screams synth
Chrome - Has some of the same ??? as Danza in most likely facing adversity off easy race(s).Has way more foundation though.Price makes him unplayable imo.
Vicars In Trouble - Really like this horse and it's not his post that is a concern.It's the pace scenario.
Chitu - Ditto as V.I.T and Uncle Sigh
Commading Curve - Could plug his way into the Tri/Super/HI5 and wouldn't argue with anyone liking the 50-1
General A Rod - Is in the picture figurewise and could be playable.He just doesn't seem to have killer instinct.



Race 12 is 9-Captain Genius 12-1, 7-Bull Dozer 3-1, and 2-Platitude 6-1.

Race 13 Party Time is an overlay at 3-1.6-Silent Ruler 15-1 and 8-Rocket Time 15-1 are the prices.

[mikemca]

Meaning impossible to capp , or impossible , because there are a lot of horse that want to go, ,what do you mean .

Both, even if you just guess that the track will carry them then which ones and what do you do with the 6+ horses that are better than them.

Hopefully they'll work on the track and dig it up a little

[mikemca]

Race 7 is where we get to see 8-Midnight Lucky freak and Judy the Beauty try to keep up.Looking for a price to throw in 1-Street Girl 20-1.

bink

[mikemca]

exacta paid $100+

[harthebar]

2014 KENTUCKY DERBY MATCHUPS - HEAD TO HEAD
	May 03	3701	VICARS IN TROUB		+110
	6:20 PM	3702	WILDCAT RED		-140
	May 03	3703	VICARS IN TROUB		+150
	6:20 PM	3704	GENERAL A ROD		-180
	May 03	3705	HARRYS HOLIDAY		+125
	6:20 PM	3706	WE MISS ARTIE		-155
	May 03	3707	UNCLE SIGH		EV
	6:20 PM	3708	CHITU		-130
	May 03	3709	UNCLE SIGH		+125
	6:20 PM	3710	COMMANDING CURV		-155
	May 03	3711	DANZA		-150
	6:20 PM	3712	SAMRAAT		+120
	May 03	3713	DANZA		-175
	6:20 PM	3714	DANCE WITH FATE		+145
	May 03	3715	DANZA		-105
	6:20 PM	3716	WICKED STRONG		-125
	May 03	3717	CALIFORNIA CHRO		-240
	6:20 PM	3718	WICKED STRONG		+180
	May 03	3719	SAMRAAT		-175
	6:20 PM	3720	DANCE WITH FATE		+145
	May 03	3721	SAMRAAT		-140
	6:20 PM	3722	MEDAL COUNT		+110
	May 03	3723	SAMRAAT		+130
	6:20 PM	3724	INTENSE HOLIDAY		-160
	May 03	3725	WE MISS ARTIE		+140
	6:20 PM	3726	VINCEREMOS		-170
	May 03	3727	WE MISS ARTIE		+180
	6:20 PM	3728	COMMANDING CURV		-240
	May 03	3729	GENERAL A ROD		-145
	6:20 PM	3730	WILDCAT RED		+115
	May 03	3731	DANCE WITH FATE		+115
	6:20 PM	3732	MEDAL COUNT		-145
	May 03	3733	DANCE WITH FATE		+125
	6:20 PM	3734	CANDY BOY		-155
	May 03	3735	CHITU		+120
	6:20 PM	3736	MEDAL COUNT		-150
	May 03	3737	TAPITURE		+125
	6:20 PM	3738	INTENSE HOLIDAY		-155
	May 03	3739	TAPITURE		-160
	6:20 PM	3740	RIDE ON CURLING		+130
	May 03	3741	INTENSE HOLIDAY		-155
	6:20 PM	3742	RIDE ON CURLING		+125
	May 03	3743	INTENSE HOLIDAY		-125
	6:20 PM	3744	WICKED STRONG		-105
	May 03	3745	COMMANDING CURV		+140
	6:20 PM	3746	CANDY BOY		-170
	May 03	3747	CANDY BOY		-115
	6:20 PM	3748	RIDE ON CURLING		-115
	May 03	3749	RIDE ON CURLING		+145
	6:20 PM	3750	WICKED STRONG		-175

[mikemca]

Samraat +130 over Intense Holiday
Wicked Strong -105 over Intense Holiday

[TonyP]

SA race 2 #2

placed at 5-1

[harthebar]

Knucklehead,did anyone hear that comment the guy with jerry baily ,just made, not for nothing, i think jockeys are one of the toughest guys . Who is that guy anyway ,who looks familar, well back to the comment, they just did a little thing on gary stevens comeback, winning preakness and the b.c. Classic, he just compared that his 7 year layoff and winning that race, is like troy aikman taking 4 years off and winning the super bowl.......i get what he was saying, but bad, horrible compare.......maybe a tennis player, but football players after they turn 30 and taking 4 years off.......not to mention being 51, ha ha ha ha .....he would do better than romo, or maybe get stevens to go to the cowboys...lol

[robmpink]

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