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  • Madison
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    • 09-16-11
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    #8541
    Originally posted by JBEX
    rick dutrow has a first time starter at baq by liam's map #1 take home the cup (20-1)..7f and a 2yo ..breaking from the rail and a bad jock doesn't help matters..he probably would be happy to get a good effort out of him..anyway thought you'd find interesting
    Funny, I was going to post and then saw SCR.
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    • str
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      • 01-12-09
      • 11581

      #8542
      The Firster winning at 7/8ths is not that difficult if you have pointed to do that. It’s the combo of Rick not cranking them to the moon, and the 1 post that makes it doubly difficult.
      He probably just said screw it and will breeze once more and go 3/4’s in 10 days I will assume.
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      • str
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        • 01-12-09
        • 11581

        #8543
        Originally posted by JBEX
        the first time LM at kee in my thread more interesting at a price ..fts going 2 turns on turf .. not cheap at auction either
        That one looks like he could jump up but terrible stats for the trainer in this spot.
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        • JBEX
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          • 01-02-12
          • 23109

          #8544
          Originally posted by str
          That one looks like he could jump up but terrible stats for the trainer in this spot.
          yes definitely a proper knock..I think it's not a great field and no one with experience has done much.. giving weight to what he cost at auction and getting a little experience at KD
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          • JBEX
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            • 01-02-12
            • 23109

            #8545
            Originally posted by JBEX
            yes definitely a proper knock..I think it's not a great field and no one with experience has done much.. giving weight to what he cost at auction and getting a little experience at KD
            done much on the turf is what I mean..i'll take a shot against the favorite who ran well on it at KD..not a lot of depth in here
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            • batt33
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              • 12-23-16
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              #8546
              Originally posted by JBEX
              would have to think the big picture with my racehorse is to get horses who wind up being stallions .. my guess is over time and in the future they will have a pretty good batting avg with this..mean around 20% would be excellent imo .. then imagine when that happens it becomes a huge roi
              I don't think that was the driving factor.... I believe it was just a thought? business adventure? love of the game/horses ? to get people involved.... in a sport where maybe people have watched/ bet on.... but didn't even think about having a piece( yes very small shares) of a race horse that they can feel" hey I own a smidge" and root and holler ... share the ups and yes downs .... meet each other at gatherings and share a wonderful experience.....
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              • batt33
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                • 12-23-16
                • 5981

                #8547
                [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Workout Report[/COLOR]
                Straight No Chaser breezed a half mile in :50.20 this morning at Santa Anita under his usual pilot Juan Landeros. By intention, your colt breezed late in the morning for a quiet environment to keep him slowed down as much as possible. Juan said he felt great and visually he looked good doing it. Back at the barn, it was as if he went out for a stroll around the block. All remains great with your son of Speightster.



                interesting to watch and hard to see.... but around the far turn... probably at the top of the stretch when the grey horse started to catch up along the inside.... STC started to get engaged... juan tried to tug back a little but gave just a little enough rein to let stc say" uhm yeah you are not going bye me"

                Last edited by batt33; 10-12-24, 04:14 PM.
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                • JBEX
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                  • 01-02-12
                  • 23109

                  #8548
                  Originally posted by batt33
                  I don't think that was the driving factor.... I believe it was just a thought? business adventure? love of the game/horses ? to get people involved.... in a sport where maybe people have watched/ bet on.... but didn't even think about having a piece( yes very small shares) of a race horse that they can feel" hey I own a smidge" and root and holler ... share the ups and yes downs .... meet each other at gatherings and share a wonderful experience.....
                  oh I think the social aspect and getting people involved for a small amount are both nice things..but on the business side you buy a horse for $400-500k you have a shot not only for big earnings but fees that could be in the 10's of millions or more over a decade or so..I go by a modest fee of $25k and cover 100 mares a year ..I believe that's reasonable (the 100) but possible I could have been making the wrong assumption . never had a real reason to exactly know ..10 years or more..most of time that would dwarf the horses on track earnings

                  have a hunch I'm missing something here but can't figure out what it is



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                  • batt33
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                    • 12-23-16
                    • 5981

                    #8549
                    Originally posted by JBEX
                    oh I think the social aspect and getting people involved for a small amount are both nice things..but on the business side you buy a horse for $400-500k you have a shot not only for big earnings but fees that could be in the 10's of millions or more over a decade or so..I go by a modest fee of $25k and cover 100 mares a year ..I believe that's reasonable (the 100) but possible I could have been making the wrong assumption . never had a real reason to exactly know ..10 years or more..most of time that would dwarf the horses on track earnings

                    have a hunch I'm missing something here but can't figure out what it is



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                    With STG MRH sold 90% of the breeding rights.... so 40 shares sold 4 retain with the racing group.... aka known as " I'm a pimp daddy" lol. It leads me to believe that this is solely about racing and not the breeding side...... With Seize the grey... it just opened up a different avenue to experience...
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                    • JBEX
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                      • 01-02-12
                      • 23109

                      #8550
                      Originally posted by batt33
                      With STG MRH sold 90% of the breeding rights.... so 40 shares sold 4 retain with the racing group.... aka known as " I'm a pimp daddy" lol. It leads me to believe that this is solely about racing and not the breeding side...... With Seize the grey... it just opened up a different avenue to experience...
                      yes I just mean the shareholders benefit from him being a stallion which obviously they do by what you're saying.. makes sense that they sell most of the breeding rights with this type of ownership model
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                      • batt33
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                        • 12-23-16
                        • 5981

                        #8551
                        Originally posted by JBEX
                        yes I just mean the shareholders benefit from him being a stallion which obviously they do by what you're saying.. makes sense that they sell most of the breeding rights with this type of ownership model
                        Yes.... In the "offering" it wasn't mentioned about "being a stud" but about the racing aspect....
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                        • str
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                          • 01-12-09
                          • 11581

                          #8552
                          Originally posted by batt33
                          [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Workout Report[/COLOR]
                          Straight No Chaser breezed a half mile in :50.20 this morning at Santa Anita under his usual pilot Juan Landeros. By intention, your colt breezed late in the morning for a quiet environment to keep him slowed down as much as possible. Juan said he felt great and visually he looked good doing it. Back at the barn, it was as if he went out for a stroll around the block. All remains great with your son of Speightster.



                          interesting to watch and hard to see.... but around the far turn... probably at the top of the stretch when the grey horse started to catch up along the inside.... STC started to get engaged... juan tried to tug back a little but gave just a little enough rein to let stc say" uhm yeah you are not going bye me"

                          Nice and relaxed. And that exercise boy gets it. Have to do that in those circumstances.

                          Thanks Batt.
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                          • batt33
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                            • 12-23-16
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                            #8553
                            Originally posted by str
                            Nice and relaxed. And that exercise boy gets it. Have to do that in those circumstances.

                            Thanks Batt.
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                            • batt33
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                              • 12-23-16
                              • 5981

                              #8554
                              [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Breeze Report
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                              Seize the Grey worked first thing this morning, covering five furlongs in :59.40 under the Twin Spires. He did it easily and didn't seem to be going as fast as he apparently was. He remains in great form as the Breeders' Cup approaches.

                              Interesting about the 50 second mark you can hear the reins " crack" not sure why? On another note it was so quiet that you could actually hear it!
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                              • JBEX
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                                • 01-02-12
                                • 23109

                                #8555
                                think I found another follow..want to give some thought and will decide tomorrow
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                                • batt33
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                                  • 12-23-16
                                  • 5981

                                  #8556
                                  Originally posted by JBEX
                                  think I found another follow..want to give some thought and will decide tomorrow
                                  Sounds like a plan!
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                                  • JBEX
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                                    • 01-02-12
                                    • 23109

                                    #8557
                                    Originally posted by batt33
                                    Sounds like a plan!
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                                    • batt33
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                                      • 12-23-16
                                      • 5981

                                      #8558
                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                      thanks and glad you made some money..I'm not so sure that FJ couldn't go with SNC..he ran less than 2 ticks off the track record while your's was about 8 ticks although santa anita has that ridiculous sub 1:07 track record .. both won vs g2 company..they're certainly not going to do each other any favors in the pace scenario and sure they'll be some other good speed going ..a race I look forward to watching on bc day
                                      Straight no chaser just heard your comment " say what JBEX?" Lol
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                                      • str
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                                        • 01-12-09
                                        • 11581

                                        #8559
                                        Originally posted by batt33
                                        Straight no chaser just heard your comment " say what JBEX?" Lol
                                        Wha you talkin bout JBEX.
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                                        • JBEX
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                                          • 01-02-12
                                          • 23109

                                          #8560
                                          Originally posted by batt33
                                          Straight no chaser just heard your comment " say what JBEX?" Lol
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                                          • str
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                                            • 01-12-09
                                            • 11581

                                            #8561
                                            Originally posted by batt33
                                            [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Breeze Report
                                            [/COLOR]
                                            Seize the Grey worked first thing this morning, covering five furlongs in :59.40 under the Twin Spires. He did it easily and didn't seem to be going as fast as he apparently was. He remains in great form as the Breeders' Cup approaches.

                                            Interesting about the 50 second mark you can hear the reins " crack" not sure why? On another note it was so quiet that you could actually hear it!
                                            It was quiet. You could even hear him switch leads back to the left after the wire.

                                            That cracking noise is the rider tapping him on the right shoulder with the stick because he was starting to relax past the finish line and they wanted more from a nice gallop out. Watch the riders right arm and elbow just before the crack.

                                            This horse always looks good working in the AM.
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                                            • JBEX
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                                              • 01-02-12
                                              • 23109

                                              #8562
                                              "fully subscribed"
                                              R1 baq yesterday

                                              2yo filly

                                              won debut by 4+ lengths from rail @ 7f

                                              very professional effort ..not a wire job

                                              meets my pedigree requirements


                                              realize I said at one point I would only do colts so breaking that for this one..headline numbers the other filly ..both trained by chad brown who also has chancer mcpatrick


                                              current list

                                              colts

                                              deterministic ..3yo
                                              world record ..3yo
                                              chancer mcpatrick ..2yo

                                              fillies

                                              headline numbers..3yo
                                              fully subscribed .. 2yo


                                              if interested see on 10/13 "america's day at the races" YT broadcast ..maggie positive comments about 5:00 mark and race itself at 13:00 minute mark




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                                              • str
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                                                • 01-12-09
                                                • 11581

                                                #8563
                                                Originally posted by JBEX
                                                "fully subscribed"
                                                R1 baq yesterday

                                                2yo filly

                                                won debut by 4+ lengths from rail @ 7f

                                                very professional effort ..not a wire job

                                                meets my pedigree requirements


                                                realize I said at one point I would only do colts so breaking that for this one..headline numbers the other filly ..both trained by chad brown who also has chancer mcpatrick


                                                current list

                                                colts

                                                deterministic ..3yo
                                                world record ..3yo
                                                chancer mcpatrick ..2yo

                                                fillies

                                                headline numbers..3yo
                                                fully subscribed .. 2yo


                                                if interested see on 10/13 "america's day at the races" YT broadcast ..maggie positive comments about 5:00 mark and race itself at 13:00 minute mark




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                                                So professional. So impressive. At no point in the race was she anything but the winner.

                                                The 1 post presented no problems whatsoever.
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                                                • JBEX
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                                                  • 01-02-12
                                                  • 23109

                                                  #8564
                                                  Originally posted by str
                                                  So professional. So impressive. At no point in the race was she anything but the winner.

                                                  The 1 post presented no problems whatsoever.
                                                  have to think they are considering the tempted stakes at 1 mile in 3 weeks which is the prep for the demoiselle at 1 1/8 five weeks later ..perfect progression after breaking your maiden at 7f


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                                                  • str
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                                                    • 01-12-09
                                                    • 11581

                                                    #8565
                                                    Originally posted by JBEX
                                                    have to think they are considering the tempted stakes at 1 mile in 3 weeks which is the prep for the demoiselle at 1 1/8 five weeks later ..perfect progression after breaking your maiden at 7f

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                                                    Sounds like a plan JBEX. Like you said, perfect progression.
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                                                    • JBEX
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                                                      • 01-02-12
                                                      • 23109

                                                      #8566
                                                      Originally posted by str
                                                      Sounds like a plan JBEX. Like you said, perfect progression.
                                                      have a hunch they might stop with world record for this year but I think good chance all the others will be running..add caldera to that and we should have a lot of action through the end of the year



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                                                      • JBEX
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                                                        • 01-02-12
                                                        • 23109

                                                        #8567
                                                        Originally posted by JBEX
                                                        have a hunch they might stop with world record for this year but I think good chance all the others will be running..add caldera to that and we should have a lot of action through the end of the year



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                                                        add federal judge,STG and SNC to those
                                                        Last edited by JBEX; 10-15-24, 10:39 AM.
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                                                        • JBEX
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                                                          • 01-02-12
                                                          • 23109

                                                          #8568
                                                          Originally posted by JBEX
                                                          add federal judge,STG and SNC to those
                                                          like 2 muscle cars lining up for the quarter mile except they're going 3/4 of a mile

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                                                          • JBEX
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                                                            • 01-02-12
                                                            • 23109

                                                            #8569
                                                            Originally posted by JBEX
                                                            like 2 muscle cars lining up for the quarter mile except they're going 3/4 of a mile

                                                            and they'll be a few other cars
                                                            Last edited by JBEX; 10-15-24, 12:32 PM.
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                                                            • JBEX
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                                                              • 01-02-12
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                                                              #8570
                                                              if you missed in my thread thought you'd find interesting


                                                              " jose ortiz at horseshoe rides two races and neither one's a stakes race ?? about 175 miles from keeneland

                                                              R6 #3 dona witch (8-1)
                                                              @ 4:45

                                                              R8 #4 storm the streets (4-1)
                                                              @ 5:47

                                                              parlay or p3 ? "
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                                                              • batt33
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                                                                • 12-23-16
                                                                • 5981

                                                                #8571
                                                                Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                add federal judge,STG and SNC to those
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                                                                • batt33
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                                                                  • 12-23-16
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                                                                  #8572
                                                                  [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Real Savvy Race Preview
                                                                  [/COLOR]
                                                                  Real Savvy looks to draw in off the also-eligible list this Saturday in the seventh race at Belmont at the Big A, scheduled for 1 1/16 miles on the turf. With such a large field, we will be keeping our fingers crossed for someone in the main body of the race to scratch so that we can draw into the race.
                                                                  Your son of Authentic will look to graduate the maiden ranks, following a second-place finish at Saratoga where he was beaten a head by a filly who won her next start in the G3 Miss Grillo S.. Even though that runner’s a filly, that result certainly flattered Real Savvy’s form. Joel Rosario is set to ride your colt, who if able to draw in has a major chance to best this bunch.
                                                                  We will update you once scratches come out on Saturday morning as to whether or not Real Savvy will be racing. Fingers crossed and best of luck to all owners!


                                                                  Click here for past performances. Here’s more on the rest of the field:
                                                                  #1 Bigfoot Sighting: A first time starter going out for the Atras barn, which strikes at 19% with the kind, this son of Bernardini will be ridden by Joel Rosario should we not draw in. If we are lucky enough to get into the race, Rosario will ride our horse and this one will be in search of a new jockey.
                                                                  #2 Iron Max: Most recently sixth by 11 1/4 in the same race as Real Savvy, this Jeremiah Englehart trainee will have to step up to compete with this bunch.
                                                                  #3 Firebreathingbrown: Newcomer for a barn that only wins at a 5% clip with firsters. This stat combined with average morning workout times indicate this one might need a race and some experience. Should not be a threat in here.
                                                                  #4 George Briggs: By first-crop sire Fog of War, who was a Grade 1 winner on turf at two for this same Peter Brant/Chad Brown team, but who has been quiet thus far with his first runners. This colt has had a solid work tab going all the way back to June. Has to be respected in here against this group of juveniles given the connections.
                                                                  #5 Powered by Coal: Seventh at 50-1 in his last start, the same race where Real Savvy finished second. Will have to improve to be competitive.
                                                                  #6 Deemer: Son of Slumber was nailed at the wire first time out, earning a 58 Beyer Speed Figure. This one should show improvement here with a race under his belt, and could be a threat in this spot.
                                                                  #7 Calling Card: Mike Maker trainee stretches out from 5 1/2 furlongs, and if his pedigree is any indication, he should appreciate the added distance. Red-hot rider Dylan Davis has the call on this son of Complexity.
                                                                  #8 Trinity River: Nearly took the field wire to wire on debut, ultimately getting a bit tired and finishing third, beaten two lengths. With that race under his belt, he should have a bit more stamina for his second start. Coming in off of a bullet half-mile work, look for this Linda Rice trainee to be on the lead.
                                                                  #9 Sounds Like A Plan: Blinkers go on here for a barn that strikes at an 18% clip with that equipment change. Ran well first time out in a race that came off the turf. Trainer Horacio De Paz elects to run back on the grass, which is a strong indication that it is this son of Twirling Candy’s preferred surface.
                                                                  #10 Twohonestmischief: This one makes his third start following two races where he earned Beyer Speed Figures in the twenties. Extremely outclassed against this group unless the turf really wakes him up.
                                                                  #11 Gunner’s Gold: Debuting for a barn that typically specializes more with older claiming horses, this Gunnevera colt is an oddball.
                                                                  #12 Just Clarity: Not a very strong trainer jockey combo—they’ve won at just 4% since 2023 from 161 starters. Was beaten nearly 20 lengths first out sprinting on the dirt. His pedigree suggests he will like the added distance, and it wouldn’t be a shocker to see him take to the turf.
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                                                                  • batt33
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                                                                    #8573
                                                                    [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]The Shedrow (Phase 5)


                                                                    Your son of Not This Time continues the breaking process at Wavertree as he ventures outside of his stall with a rider on for the first time. In this step, your colt can be seen jogging in the shedrow. Here he is getting used to having a rider on his back in a space not as confined as his stall. It is also the first time he has come out of his walk gait with a rider on his back. Enjoy the video above.
                                                                    Video is in post below

                                                                    Last edited by batt33; 10-15-24, 01:05 PM.
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                                                                    • batt33
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                                                                      • 12-23-16
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                                                                      #8574
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                                                                      • batt33
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                                                                        #8575
                                                                        Originally posted by str
                                                                        It was quiet. You could even hear him switch leads back to the left after the wire.

                                                                        That cracking noise is the rider tapping him on the right shoulder with the stick because he was starting to relax past the finish line and they wanted more from a nice gallop out. Watch the riders right arm and elbow just before the crack.

                                                                        This horse always looks good working in the AM.
                                                                        Thanks for pointing it out!
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