possible NHL system

**do5000** · 09-25-09, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by threeg5

Wow do5000 I think this has pretty good potential.
The research shouldnt be too bad, a little bit tedious but, I have a feeling that you will start getting pretty excited by the results so.
We are and will be looking forward to it.
i am about to leave for work but, do5000 when i get home this evening I will see where you stand and then I can start helping from that point if you need it.

thanks guys!
the only research ive been able to do is to go through the covers scoreboards daily and go day by day. its impossibly slow and boring (im sure theres a better way, but i dont know enough about spreadsheets to do it).
im going to try and go team by team through one season and see how it goes.
ill start with 06-07 (oldest full season covers has) and try to do it over the weekend.

**threeg5** · 09-25-09, 09:54 AM

Sbr has it as well. If you know the confernces and divisions real well then it will work fine.

**mcbain** · 09-25-09, 10:20 AM

No need to know any conferences or divisions. The system applies to any team going out on any 3-game road trip. They do not have to play against the other conference.

**jcygts6** · 09-25-09, 02:20 PM

juice is high for this system tho

**threeg5** · 09-25-09, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by mcbain

No need to know any conferences or divisions. The system applies to any team going out on any 3-game road trip. They do not have to play against the other conference.

**egr99** · 09-26-09, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by jcygts6

juice is high for this system tho

No juice when you win! lol

egr99

**threeg5** · 09-26-09, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by egr99

No juice when you win! lol

egr99

I never ever remember paying the juice after I win
Awesome post egr99

**punterfriend** · 09-26-09, 08:55 PM

Unless your using BETUS free play. They charge you juice on your free play. BETUS FREEPLAY SYSTEM SUCKS

**egr99** · 09-26-09, 09:07 PM

The money printing presses go into operation in about 5-days... get ready...

Has anyone actually purchased JMs new NHL system? Verified to be the one in this thread? Any filters?

Thx,

egr99

**RabidDog** · 09-27-09, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by egr99

No juice when you win! lol

egr99

Actually thats wrong you pay the juice when you win!!

you bet Team A at -110 110/100 so you bet 110 if you lose you lose, but if you win you put up 110 to win 100 so thats when you payed the juice.. so you lose 10 dollars on a even up bet..

**egr99** · 09-27-09, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by RabidDog

Actually thats wrong you pay the juice when you win!!

you bet Team A at -110 110/100 so you bet 110 if you lose you lose, but if you win you put up 110 to win 100 so thats when you payed the juice.. so you lose 10 dollars on a even up bet..

Thanks, I started betting yesterday and did not know how juice works.

Its called sarcasm buddy, hence the "lol" at the end of my quote.

egr99

**sportsbetwin** · 09-27-09, 09:22 PM

Great work Mcbain.

I agree that if you start filtering with RPI you are going to start eating into your potential number of plays - especially if you want to filter the top 3 teams.
It may be a consideration though to look at the schedule when you bet - it wouldn't be nice to have a bet C and know its against the best team. Not sure if i will play a little more conserbatively in that case or just follow the system blindly which has worked so far!

I am not convinced about just playing teams with winning percentage above 0.500. Alot of these plays will be moneyline wheras most of the plays on teams below 0.500 will be puckline.
I am not sure if you would be at any advantage - and you certainly would be cutting down your potential plays by half.

With regards paying for juice if you win. If you are playing for a target amount you don't pay juice. If you are playing for a risk amount then you are paying juice.

**pelos879** · 09-29-09, 12:42 PM

You think we could start a new thread where only plays are being posted and no commentary? I hate reading through all the bull.

And I went through last year and did not find any loses (I did not use any filters at all). The only rule I followed was 3 game road trip and ML when favored, PL when dog.

**betyuda** · 09-29-09, 12:54 PM

there were 3 losses last year if you did not use any filters at all. My recommendation is as what mcbain said. i will filter the 5 worse road teams out. however, i still prefer not playing the series if the teams are playing against the top 2 RPI teams. if you get into a C bet and your playing against a top 2 RPI team, it could be a bit dangerous. beyond that, i do like Mcbains plays. I would lay off the bets a bit in October and let the teams play some games.

**betyuda** · 09-29-09, 02:33 PM

Question MCBAIN,
Is it really worth skipping the first road games in October and November?? Because I am assuming that your very first post included all the games including the first several games. But you didn t suffer really any losses there. thanks

**betyuda** · 09-29-09, 02:57 PM

worth skipping all first series

Originally posted by mcbain

No need to know any conferences or divisions. The system applies to any team going out on any 3-game road trip. They do not have to play against the other conference.

Mcbain is it really worth skipping all first series bets？

**pelos879** · 09-29-09, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by betyuda

there were 3 losses last year if you did not use any filters at all. My recommendation is as what mcbain said. i will filter the 5 worse road teams out. however, i still prefer not playing the series if the teams are playing against the top 2 RPI teams. if you get into a C bet and your playing against a top 2 RPI team, it could be a bit dangerous. beyond that, i do like Mcbains plays. I would lay off the bets a bit in October and let the teams play some games.

Could you tell me all of the loses? I found Ottawa and Carolina what was the last one?

**mcbain** · 09-29-09, 04:17 PM

Betyuda, I will be playing half units until November. You are right though the losses I documented from last season (see post 1 pelos) did not occur in the team's first series. Ottawa's loss was their second series of the year, Carolina was in January I believe. We decided we would have filtered out OTT as they were clearly one of the worst road teams but of course you need some time to see that develop.

However, I remember reading in a previous thread that when others looked at previous NHL seasons, there were seasons when the only losses encountered were either a team's first series or last series of the season.

Naturally, the start of the season can be weird and unpredicatable and of course at the end of the season some teams have just plain given up.

**keel44** · 09-29-09, 11:38 PM

I say better safe than sorry. Remember, you have NBA chases at the same time later in the season, if you are so inclined. You will have plenty of action. Evidence shows that you skip the first and last series of a team. I am not going to chase a bad road team. Never chase blindly either, I say better safe than sorry.

**paw** · 09-29-09, 11:51 PM

I think JM has finally caught on............Look for his NHL system to hit the web most likely a week or so after the season begins. He doesnt want that all over as of yet,will cost him too much money.

At least thats my take on it. Dont matter anyhow MCBAIN HAS IT UNDER CONTROL............

PAW

**betyuda** · 09-30-09, 03:52 AM

Mcbain :JM has already caught on. He recently advertised he had a 145-1 loss record last year. And I checked up to 2002 season. You were right about the first games. It would be best to steer maybe even away from first games by the NHL teams during October and November. The thing is for example by 2006, you would have been down by 3 losses which is quite a few units. Tread carefully with the first games. Thanks Mcbain
These are the losses that occurred.
2007
Tampa Oct 29
Nashville Oct 17

2006
Phoenix Oct 9
NY Islanders Oct 5
LA Kings Oct 23

2003

Pitt Nov 4
Dallas Nov 4

2002

Chicago Nov 19

**johncrud** · 09-30-09, 05:09 AM

The record of 145-1 would stand only if you included all first three game road series for each team. In reality, the real record for last year is like 115-1 since we are skipping all of them out. This process will take about 1 month to complete or about 25 days as stated.

**icecapper** · 09-30-09, 03:47 PM

Still hesitant to pull the trigger because of all the juice you are laying. One loss and everything goes to pieces. Make sure you post your record in Units once the season starts.

**mcbain** · 09-30-09, 06:34 PM

If you are hesistant by all means don't bet it!

In fact, nobody bet it. Leave the odds untouched (for dummies like me that might actually bet it) and then I also won't feel responsible and have people on my case if, gasp, we suffer a loss or two.

It was just a system I came up with based on the success of the NBA system and it has got a bit out of control and is now being sold for $247 and everyone is speculating on different methods and NHL hasn't even started yet.

I don't think I will be posting every play. Cheme82 will likely be doing that (out of the goodness of his heart) and I don't think I will be posting my record in units despite your command to do so.

**showtime2000** · 09-30-09, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by mcbain

If you are hesistant by all means don't bet it!

In fact, nobody bet it. Leave the odds untouched (for dummies like me that might actually bet it) and then I also won't feel responsible and have people on my case if, gasp, we suffer a loss or two.

It was just a system I came up with based on the success of the NBA system and it has got a bit out of control and is now being sold for $247 and everyone is speculating on different methods and NHL hasn't even started yet.

I don't think I will be posting every play. Cheme82 will likely be doing that (out of the goodness of his heart) and I don't think I will be posting my record in units despite your command to do so.

mcbain, thanks for taking the time and efforts with this. Sounds very intruing. Good luck with it, i'll be keeping a close eye on it.

**million2one** · 09-30-09, 07:57 PM

Good Luck McBain,

I remember toward the end of NHL season last year when you played this possible NHL system and it ended the year 8 - 0 as a chase, it seems it has gotten out of control since then. It's cool no need to feel responsible as it is just an experiment, nothing is 100%, people should never be blindly following and if they are they have no one to blame but themselves. If anyone is going to get on your case about a loss, shame on them.

I hope you do well this year and thanks for all effort you are putting toward this.

**jcygts6** · 09-30-09, 11:21 PM

the new JM hockey system has a new filter and is the same as the NBA V.1

"you bet on a team when they go on a road trip of at least 3 games with at least one game in the opposite conference."

These filter eliminates 2 losses last season and gives the system only 1 loss.

**durito** · 09-30-09, 11:34 PM

You might also exclude game where the opponents teams third line center has a sister who's name starts with the letter Q. That should get rid of that last loss for ya.

**sportsbetwin** · 10-01-09, 01:19 AM

Yeah but Queenie was adopted so I say the loss still stands!

**Earl's Liver** · 10-01-09, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by durito

You might also exclude game where the opponents teams third line center has a sister who's name starts with the letter Q. That should get rid of that last loss for ya.

Actually in MLB this year for about a month or so elsewhere someone had a thread with these filters.........

Look for 2 teams playing each other with pitchers having the same 1st name
Play the team who has the pitcher with the shorter last name
It was hitting fairly good winning units believe it or not but then disappeared.........

**pelos879** · 10-03-09, 10:57 AM

Thursday was the Canadiens vs Maple Leafs, should have been a pick...

I am playing 4 game road trips OR 3 game trips with at least one team from the opposing conference.

**mcbain** · 10-03-09, 11:15 AM

From my post #114:

When to start this wonderful system seems a tough question since we only ran our test right at the end of last season.

We could start:
1. right at the start of the NHL season Oct. 1
2. on each team's second road series (don't play first or last series for any team)
3. after the first month on Nov. 1
4. after 25 games

I personally will likely start on the second series for each team, play half what I would normally play until well into November and then go to full units.

I also will likely only eliminate the bottom 5 road teams once we get to 25 games. Cheme82 favors eliminating all teams with losing road records but I am going to push it a bit and get more plays and hopefully still avoid a loss.

Start right away if you like pelos, but the system I am playing does not play the first or last series of the season for any team.

**Dzuro** · 10-04-09, 05:10 AM

Is anyone going to post game pick, before the kick off?

**dimon** · 10-04-09, 11:23 AM

so did anyone tarted to play this $hit yet?

**threeg5** · 10-04-09, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Dzuro

Is anyone going to post game pick, before the kick off?

umm no not yet because the people that actually have played this to a degree are not starting to use it yet. If you are not lazy you can go toward the beginning of the thread and download the spreadsheet and it has all of the plays available it even has it where you can use a hometeam version if you understand what you are doing

Originally posted by dimon

so did anyone tarted to play this $hit yet?

You are a TOOL