UFC on FOX 3

**helpplease** · 05-03-12, 05:22 AM

don't bet on Massenzio .. if u do get him by decision as I don't really see Massenzio winning this and if he does most likely by decision .

Vemola moves forward and has good wrestling with KO power in his hands !! Mike Massenzio does not really commit to his strikes ! he throws 2 -3 punches and backs off and does not go after it when he has guys hurt

**sirchadwick1** · 05-03-12, 07:30 AM

Vemola at his old weight...

And now at 185.... Definitely trimmed the extra unneeded mass, I just hope he doesn't fade after the first.

**the josh** · 05-03-12, 08:30 AM

subconciously i always cheer for vemola because of his lazy eye, it makes me feel bad for him.

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 08:33 AM

I wonder what he will look like when he drops to Welterweight

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 08:55 AM

"A lot of you people write all these stories. 'Youth versus Age,' Bullshit. You guys are all retards. Retards. I laugh at you idiots.
"Every one of you, counting me out, I love it. Keep counting me out. I'll be fighting for four or five more years. Every time you write a story about me, Gabe just say I'm too old. Too washed up, too many fights, too many miles." - Koscheck

**PunisherIND** · 05-03-12, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

"A lot of you people write all these stories. 'Youth versus Age,' Bullshit. You guys are all retards. Retards. I laugh at you idiots.
"Every one of you, counting me out, I love it. Keep counting me out. I'll be fighting for four or five more years. Every time you write a story about me, [you] just say I'm too old. Too washed up, too many fights, too many miles." - Koscheck

LMAO!!

**GunShard** · 05-03-12, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

"A lot of you people write all these stories. 'Youth versus Age,' Bullshit. You guys are all retards. Retards. I laugh at you idiots.
"Every one of you, counting me out, I love it. Keep counting me out. I'll be fighting for four or five more years. Every time you write a story about me, [you] just say I'm too old. Too washed up, too many fights, too many miles." - Koscheck

LOL, why is my name brought up?

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 09:19 AM

Ha f*ck knows how I got in there!

Edit: I've changed it so that it's right! It's because it said [you ] which must automatically change to user name!

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 09:22 AM

ha missed out the part where he refers to Hopkins as an example but doesnt realise Hopkins lost!...

"I have a lot of ulterior motives that motivate me. There are a lot of people like you out here who write all these stories and shit like, "Oh, he's old, he's this, youth versus age...." Bullshit. You guys are all ******* retards who think that. Retards. I've been hearing a lot of it -- a lot f tweets and shit. I laugh at you idiots. Man, you guys are crazy. Who's that guy, Bernard Hopkins? Didn't he just kick someone's ass the other day? And how old is he? Oh ... he lost? Well, I mean, he was the champion, right? I mean how old is that guy, 47? C'mon, he's still fighting. Let's be real. Look at Randy Couture. Is that a rare case? Dan Henderson. Look at Dan Henderson -- he's 40, right? Is that a rare case? Chuck Liddell was what, 37-38? Real rare. You guys are retards for writing that shit."

**GunShard** · 05-03-12, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Ha f*ck knows how I got in there!

Edit: I've changed it so that it's right! It's because it said [you] which must automatically change to user name!

I read that article on the internet, lol.

**sirchadwick1** · 05-03-12, 09:45 AM

Haha... Koscheck is so classy! I always love watching this guy get punched in the face.

**DirtyX** · 05-03-12, 09:53 AM

My bets

STRAIGHT BET
[24405] J HENDRICKS -110
(J HENDRICKS vrs J KOSCHECK $110 / $100 Ticket#:68293557
May 05 09:00 PM

STRAIGHT BET
[24401] NATE DIAZ +180 $60 / $108 Ticket#:69369401
May 05 09:25 PM
(NATE DIAZ vrs J MILLER)

Good luck everyone.

**Digo** · 05-03-12, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by DirtyX

STRAIGHT BET
[24405] J HENDRICKS -110
(J HENDRICKS vrs J KOSCHECK $110 / $100 Ticket#:68293557
May 05 09:00 PM

STRAIGHT BET
[24401] NATE DIAZ +180 $60 / $108 Ticket#:69369401
May 05 09:25 PM
(NATE DIAZ vrs J MILLER)

Good luck everyone.

I like it, more Nate than Hendricks, but i think i will give a try too.

**NunyaBidness** · 05-03-12, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by fosho14

For the ppl in this thread who are predicting koscheck to win and are saying that he'll resort to his bread and butter or he'll get back to his roots and use his wrestling base to earn a victory. I'm completely confused with your train of thought. Hendricks wrestling is elite.. so elite that it earned him 2 national div1 championship titles and a 4-time all american status. I think hendricks wrestling credentials are strong enough to keep this on the feet, so I'm not sure how the ppl who are predicting koscheck to win, expect him to win? Do you guys think he's going to outstrike hendricks, because he's most likely not going to outwrestle him. Personally I have not been very impressed with kos's standup technique, so I will have to pick hendricks, but man what an impossible fight to call so ridiculously evenly matched.

Wasn't Hendricks outwrestled by Story?

**NunyaBidness** · 05-03-12, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

I wonder what he will look like when he drops to Welterweight

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/410068/20100320050418_img_9166_medium.jpg

Tomato, ToMAtoe

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Wasn't Hendricks outwrestled by Story?

And Brenneman and TJ Grant had some success as well I believe.

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

And Brenneman and TJ Grant had some success as well I believe.

and so did Alex Serydukov in the WEC (yes, I understand its old) My point is some wrestlers' style do not transition and IMO Hendricks has not. His MMA TDD is poor whereas Kos has top 3 WW wrestling (GSP, Askren)

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 10:39 AM

What I dont get is the fuss about Koshceck's punching power. Is he really that powerful a puncher? He's finished Trigg, Yoshida, and Hughes...all of whom are pretty much punching bags at the stages of their respective careers when he fought them.

**Kaladarus** · 05-03-12, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

What I dont get is the fuss about Koshceck's punching power. Is he really that powerful a puncher? He's finished Trigg, Yoshida, and Hughes...all of whom are pretty much punching bags at the stages of their respective careers when he fought them.

He's got just enough punching power to give us a good price on his decision prop.

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

What I dont get is the fuss about Koshceck's punching power. Is he really that powerful a puncher? He's finished Trigg, Yoshida, and Hughes...all of whom are pretty much punching bags at the stages of their respective careers when he fought them.

add in Dustin Hazelett

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 11:30 AM

to play devils advocate, Hendricks has not KOed any strong chin with the exception of Fitch. Fitch was called Glass Jaw by Penn fwiw

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

to play devils advocate, Hendricks has not KOed any strong chin with the exception of Fitch. Fitch was called Glass Jaw by Penn fwiw

Finishing Brenneman is not easy...he took a Rumble head kick and bounced up

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Finishing Brenneman is not easy...he took a Rumble head kick and bounced up

ahh two shay. I try to forget about that fight because I lost on that one. I also took Story and Pierce against Hendricks.
1-2 in Hendricks fights

**Grabaka** · 05-03-12, 12:26 PM

He's too old.

Grabaka knows his shit.
LOL

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 12:30 PM

.............

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 12:58 PM

haah Oh I see now, so that says the username of whoever is reading it on their account! lol

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-03-12, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

haah Oh I see now, so that says the username of whoever is reading it on their account! lol

haha when i first saw my name, thats what I thought it was like that old AIM instant messenger away message thing. So I signed out, and it said Unregistered which confirmed that V was not picking on BB

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-03-12, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Ha f*ck knows how I got in there!

Edit: I've changed it so that it's right! It's because it said [you ] which must automatically change to user name!

lol so why does my user name keep popping up in it???? I'm backing you KOS!!! Godamn conspiracy I tell you...

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

lol so why does my user name keep popping up in it???? I'm backing you KOS!!! Godamn conspiracy I tell you...

haha no iI got it wrong, it actually comes up with who ever is viewing it on their account. Apparently it does it if u put 'you' in brackets like: [you]

**DirtyX** · 05-03-12, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

haha no iI got it wrong, it actually comes up with who ever is viewing it on their account. Apparently it does it if u put 'you' in brackets like: [you]

I have no idea what is going on here... Please elaborate...

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by DirtyX

I have no idea what is going on here... Please elaborate...

I posted this further up: (read it all and u'll see)...

"A lot of you people write all these stories. 'Youth versus Age,' Bullshit. You guys are all retards. Retards. I laugh at you idiots.
"Every one of you, counting me out, I love it. Keep counting me out. I'll be fighting for four or five more years. Every time you write a story about me, [you] just say I'm too old. Too washed up, too many fights, too many miles." - Koscheck

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-03-12, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

For the ppl in this thread who are predicting koscheck to win and are saying that he'll resort to his bread and butter or he'll get back to his roots and use his wrestling base to earn a victory. I'm completely confused with your train of thought. Hendricks wrestling is elite.. so elite that it earned him 2 national div1 championship titles and a 4-time all american status. I think hendricks wrestling credentials are strong enough to keep this on the feet, so I'm not sure how the ppl who are predicting koscheck to win, expect him to win? Do you guys think he's going to outstrike hendricks, because he's most likely not going to outwrestle him. Personally I have not been very impressed with kos's standup technique, so I will have to pick hendricks, but man what an impossible fight to call so ridiculously evenly matched.

Yes, I agree its way too tough too call, basically if you're gonna play it you play whoever is the bigger dog come fight time (which I think will be kos, but prob not big enough of a dog to entice action from me).

However, I disagree with your talk of credentials. Credentials are great but as we've seen throughout mma's history, there is collegiate wrestling and there is mma wrestling. Collegiate doesn't mean anything in the mma game if you can't mix it well and use it effectively, not everyone's collegiate wrestling translates over to mma that well and some peopel who didn't have collegiate level wrestling have proven to be great wrestlers (GSP a prime example). Not saying henrdicks doesn't have great mma wrestling, because he does, but considering he was taken down by story and charlie B, who both got the better of the grappling in those fights, and both have lessser wrestling credentials, I wouldn't call his wrestling better than kos' wrestling, especially his defensive wrestling. In fact, KOs' mma wrestling is some of the best, both defensively and offensively imo. I feel despite john's credentials that kos' mma wrestling is better, but not by much. I think kos could approach this witha very grinding style similar to story and pierce... both fights which were very close (both fights I feel johnny lost). Kos has better credentials and mma wrestling than story, pierce and charlie, so its def possible that he can replicate that strategy.

In the end though, its too damn hard to call as you said and prob best to stay away. I do think hendricks has the edge on the feet, but I wouldn't call it a drastic edge or a game changer...tough tough fight. I'll only play this is kos gets to +130 or better, which prob won't happen.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-03-12, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

haha no iI got it wrong, it actually comes up with who ever is viewing it on their account. Apparently it does it if u put 'you' in brackets like: [you]

lol sorry but I still don't get it (not technical with this computer stuff at all)... Why would my username be in there then, when I haven't been on here today yet until just a few minutes ago?

**Vaughany** · 05-03-12, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

lol sorry but I still don't get it (not technical with this computer stuff at all)... Why would my username be in there then, when I haven't been on here today yet until just a few minutes ago?

I guess it's java or some sh*t, I don't know how it works either, NUnya might know the term for it! It's like if u type "penis" it comes out with "rooster"! If u do this: [ then put "you" then ] it makes the user looking at it see their own user name. So if DirtyX logs in and reads it it will say "Everytime you write a story about me, Dirty X just say I'm too old...." as when I copied the quote by Koscheck the report had this (you) in to show tht Koscheck was referring to the reporters who were interviewing him! Hard to explain!