what gabe says.

[gabe]

This was the one of your funniest ones!... Even when I tried to help you by suggesting that stranger things have happened such as Semerzier tapping Wagney Fabiano, you came back with this!: Gabetardification FTW

Yes, you're right, I came back with a good point. Knowing that Papazian has used his judo and submission skills to tap out a BJJ black belt is a GREAT POINT to make when saying I wouldn't be surprised if he submitted Easton.

Glad you find such a great point funny, ya fool.

[gabe]

You are correct, Im sure he doesnt have tickets in his back pocket. But he also doesnt walk around alone everywhere. That dude u see in the video is with him 24/7 during fight week so was probably him who handed over the tickets, but Dana was stood with him on their way to the weigh-ins or some sh*t when people were given them. Ridiculous thing about tht event was that people had paid hundreds of pounds for the seats highest up, yet when we got to the arena there were about a dozen people selling middle-row tickets that they'd got off Dana (or his assistant) earlier in the day or day before for half the price of what people had paid for the cheapest seats online. A mate of mine was going to buy a ticket at the ticket office when we got in but managed to get 3 tickets for £60 outside the venue of some Scottish dudes which would of been £120 each online or at the office! Ended up with two spare tickets when we where in there!

I knew you would change your story and say they got it from the assistant and not Dana himself. You initially said they got it from Dana himself at his hotel now are saying they got it from the assistant who is with him.

I would bet he probably doesn't even see that dude until they head out and am sure they don't stay on the same floor.

But whatever. All of this is pointless and irrelevant.

[more_betterness]

Yes, you're right, I came back with a good point. Knowing that Papazian has used his judo and submission skills to tap out a BJJ black belt is a GREAT POINT to make when saying I wouldn't be surprised if he submitted Easton.

Glad you find such a great point funny, ya fool.

You're missing the point... He's pointing to the fact that you were questioning if Semerzier had good enough subs to tap out a black belt in response to V giving an example of when Semerzier had tapped Wagney Fabiano, a BJJ black belt.

[Educ8d Degener8]

Sending another great big hug your way right now Gabe!

[gabe]

You're missing the point... He's pointing to the fact that you were questioning if Semerzier had good enough subs to tap out a black belt in response to V giving an example of when Semerzier had tapped Wagney Fabiano, a BJJ black belt.

My point was that Semerzier does NOT have those skills yet managed to tap out a BJJ black belt but Papazian DOES possess those skills, so him tapping out a BJJ black belt isn't unlikely!

[gabe]

Sending another great big hug your way right now Gabe!

Send it to V- he's swimming in his lies.

i find it hilarious that he chose the shalorus and papazian fights to use against me.

find something in the beltran and lamar johnson fights to use against me, too, 'cos I was spot on about the write-ups regarding those, too!

papazian write up was spot on, just didn't get the decision, but i did mention the +3.5 in case the decision didn't go his way. spot on write-up for that fight, it is hilarious that he chose that to use against me

[more_betterness]

My point was that Semerzier does NOT have those skills yet managed to tap out a BJJ black belt but Papazian DOES possess those skills, so him tapping out a BJJ black belt isn't unlikely!

Not trying to rip on you at all so don't take it that way, but that implication is not evident at all when looking at the previously posted statement. The way you phrased it made it sound like you thought Semerzier was incapable of tapping a black belt.

[gabe]

Not trying to rip on you at all so don't take it that way, but that implication is not evident at all when looking at the previously posted statement. The way you phrased it made it sound like you thought Semerzier was incapable of tapping a black belt.

How does it sound like Semerzier is incapable of tapping a black belt when what we were discussing was Semerzier having tapped a black belt?

I basically said "Semerzier can tap a black belt without those skills and Papazian can't tap one WITH those skills?"

Maybe it came off sounding different to you because I was acting like I was talking to a 5 year old. He just mentioned Semerzier submitting a black belt, so of course I wasn't questioning if he could. That wouldn't make sense. I was saying if Semerzier can do it without such skills, it wouldn't be a surprise if Papazian does WITH said skills... I said that in the form of rhetorical questions towards a retard.

[Vaughany]

I knew you would change your story and say they got it from the assistant and not Dana himself. You initially said they got it from Dana himself at his hotel now are saying they got it from the assistant who is with him.

I would bet he probably doesn't even see that dude until they head out and am sure they don't stay on the same floor.

But whatever. All of this is pointless and irrelevant.

Love how pedantic you are being. They spoke to Dana, they got tickets from a guy stood next to Dana.
"Sure they dont stay on the same floor"!! WTF are you talking about!? Firstly how can you be "sure" they dont stay on the same floor! Ridiculous comment! My mates weren't standing outside his door waiting for him! I wasnt there so dont know the exact location of where they met him! Just said it was outside his hotel!

Stop clutching at straws

[gabe]

anyway, i don't know why V is bringing up arguments we already had before. like i said, he really has nothing to attack me with and is just reaching.

i don't even know WHY he's trying to attack me. i was under the impression we were somewhat friends. i don't wanna be saying negative things towards the guy because i've grown to like him over the past few months, but i can't just sit back and eat his sh*t, i have to defend myself.

[Vaughany]

Gabe has a 3rd degree black-belt in missing the point! Still dont think he realises Wagney Fabiano is a black-belt!

[gabe]

Love how pedantic you are being. They spoke to Dana, they got tickets from a guy stood next to Dana.
"Sure they dont stay on the same floor"!! WTF are you talking about!? Firstly how can you be "sure" they dont stay on the same floor! Ridiculous comment! My mates weren't standing outside his door waiting for him! I wasnt there so dont know the exact location of where they met him! Just said it was outside his hotel!

Stop clutching at straws

you were saying your friends got tickets from dana at his hotel, then you said they got it from his assistant at his hotel, now you're saying they got tickets somewhere near the hotel, you're not sure where. ok buddy.

and yes i know for a fact that Dana stays on a dif floor than those guys. it's not a ridiculous comment.

[Vaughany]

anyway, i don't know why V is bringing up arguments we already had before. like i said, he really has nothing to attack me with and is just reaching.

i don't even know WHY he's trying to attack me. i was under the impression we were somewhat friends. i don't wanna be saying negative things towards the guy because i've grown to like him over the past few months, but i can't just sit back and eat his sh*t, i have to defend myself.

Despite how it may come across, Im not attacking u and far from dislike u! Just stating facts and trying to establish your thought process behind certain things!

[gabe]

Gabe has a 3rd degree black-belt in missing the point! Still dont think he realises Wagney Fabiano is a black-belt!

Semerzier submitted a black belt (Fabiano) without possessing the skills Papazian possesses, so Papazian submitting Easton wouldn't be a surprise.

Saying that implies that I don't know Fabiano is a black belt, right???

[Vaughany]

you were saying your friends got tickets from dana at his hotel, then you said they got it from his assistant at his hotel, now you're saying they got tickets somewhere near the hotel, you're not sure where. ok buddy.

and yes i know for a fact that Dana stays on a dif floor than those guys. it's not a ridiculous comment.

And this is why Im "attacking you". You say I'm the one that makes shit up despite pasting direct quotes by you. Now I'll copy and past a direct quote by me below: (Clearly says outside the hotel, which I said above, nowhere have I said "somewhere near the hotel". I think u might be a sociopath Gabe

Seeing as he and Rogan where was asking where there was to eat nearby and I was staying in the Copthorne hotel literally 100 yards away from where it turned out Rogan was staying then yes it very different! Furthermore, some buddies of mine actually got free tickets off of Dana outside his hotel (Hilton) on the day of the fights so wasnt like it's some big secret where they stay! I find a nerdy skinny dude who thinks he's a comedian giving a professional MMA fighter advice on how to beat another elite fighter a hell of lot funnier!!!

[Vaughany]

Semerzier submitted a black belt (Fabiano) without possessing the skills Papazian possesses, so Papazian submitting Easton wouldn't be a surprise.

Saying that implies that I don't know Fabiano is a black belt, right???

Okay so now you think that Papazian has greater skills than Semerzier. Ok I see

[gabe]

Despite how it may come across, Im not attacking u and far from dislike u! Just stating facts and trying to establish your thought process behind certain things!

You read my spot-on write-up of the Papazian fight where I clearly say that I expect the fight to go the distance, but found a line I wrote somewhere that suggests I could see Papazian using judo and getting a submission and tried to use it against me. That's an attack. If in my write-up of the fight I had said that I expect Papazian to use judo and get a submission, you would have a point. But every body knew I expected that fight to go the distance and be fight of the night. It was clear in my write-up. You ignored that and focused on one line from an earlier post to use against me, and I even defended myself against that line. If Papazian had incorporated judo into the fight, it would have likely been the deciding factor. So that was not a wrong thing for me to say. And as mentioned, Semerzier (without such skills) submitted a black belt so it wouldn't be a surprise to me if Papazian (with those skills) did.

MMAbetmasta gave me a minor compliment in an essay filled with insults, and you had to say he was wrong about his compliment and provided faulty reasoning.

sharpboxing said i was funny, you told him i'm funny like a retard.

attacking me for no reason, and yet you say you're not attacking me.

papazian and shalorus fights were spot-on write-ups from me, to use those against me is certainly an attack.

[gabe]

Okay so now you think that Papazian has greater skills than Semerzier. Ok I see

Greater judo and bjj skills, yes. (that IS what we were discussing!)



but yes- if Semerzier was 125-135, papazian would beat him, of course. he did that well against easton and u don't think he could beat a 125-135 version of semerzier? get outta town!! a 145-155 version of easton would chew semerzier up.

[Vaughany]

And this is why Im "attacking you". You say I'm the one that makes shit up despite pasting direct quotes by you. Now I'll copy and past a direct quote by me below: (Clearly says outside the hotel, which I said above, nowhere have I said "somewhere near the hotel". I think u might be a sociopath Gabe

Like how you conveniently skipped this.

I'll let it rest now. Everybody can see that I've clearly copied and pasted verbatim quotes by you while u've just changed things that I've said.

[cheeese]

How crazy would it be if V and Gabe were the same person and this was all one big schizophrenic meltdown

[gabe]

Like how you conveniently skipped this.

I'll let it rest now. Everybody can see that I've clearly copied and pasted verbatim quotes by you while u've just changed things that I've said.

Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't say NEAR the hotel, you said OUTSIDE the hotel... big difference... I'm sorry for misquoting you except i didn't use quotations, so i wasn't quoting you... you used quotations when quoting me and said things i never said... the papazian line i said, but the other thing u quoted was fully fabricated.

You took 1 line out of so much I've said, you didn't quote verbatim my prediction of the Papazian fight, I had to post that myself to prove you wrong.

step-by-step what happened:
1- you brought up an irrelevant papazian quote.
2- i proved that my prediction was the fight would go the distance.
3- you say that doesn't matter, papazian quote was still dumb.
4- i use your own semerzier/fabiano example against you to prove that it's not dumb, and after watching the fight, it's clear that what i said wasn't dumb. A) judo takedowns certainly could have been the deciding factor in his fight. B) if semerzier without bjj and judo skills can submit a black belt, wouldn't be surprising if a talented judoka with a purple belt in bjj did too...

[more_betterness]

My point was that Semerzier does NOT have those skills yet managed to tap out a BJJ black belt but Papazian DOES possess those skills, so him tapping out a BJJ black belt isn't unlikely!

"Originally Posted by gabe
Is Semerzier skilled in judo and submissions like Papazian is?

Can Semerzier use his judo/submission skills to tap a BJJ black belt while grappling? Papazian has."

How do you think that there is any possible way that this infers what you said above? You're clearly doubting Semerzier's ability to tap a black belt.

[Vaughany]

[QUOTE=gabe;13785787]Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't say NEAR the hotel, you said OUTSIDE the hotel... big difference... I'm sorry for misquoting you except i didn't use quotations, so i wasn't quoting you... you used quotations when quoting me and said things i never said... the papazian line i said, but the other thing u quoted was fully fabricated.
/QUOTE]

I cant believe you are still denying saying that. I've quoted you at least 6 times. Yes what I said wasnt vertabim but it was the same thing!

The fact that you didnt quote me exactly is irrelevant. You tried to make out that I'd said something different to what I'd actually said. You were implying that I'd said they'd met him away from the hotel when I said that they'd met him outside the hotel. Im done speaking with you. It's fine when you're supporting yourself but when you start lying about things it just gets silly. Craziest thing is that you accused me of fabricating things (even when I was quoting you verbatim to back up what I said that you'd said) and then you went and did the exact same thing that you were accusing me of.

[gabe]

"Originally Posted by gabe Is Semerzier skilled in judo and submissions like Papazian is? Can Semerzier use his judo/submission skills to tap a BJJ black belt while grappling? Papazian has." How do you think that there is any possible way that this infers what you said above? You're clearly doubting Semerzier's ability to tap a black belt.

HOW THE HELL am I doubting Semerzier's ability to tap a black belt when WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IS Semerzier tapping a black-belt?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!???????

lol--- it had been so long since i posted that, it took me a while to remember EXACTLY what i meant when i said that, and it just came to me... here it is:

Is Semerzier skilled in judo and submissions like Papazian is?

Can Semerzier use his judo/submission skills to tap a BJJ black belt while grappling? Papazian has.

My point was that Papazian has submitted a BJJ black belt in a grappling-only fight (BJJ tournament). I was pointing out that Semerzier doesn't possess the same judo skills to take the opponent down, but his brown belt in BJJ is good enough for him to submit a BJJ black belt in an MMA fight. Semerzier already had submitted a black belt, I pointed out that Papazian also has BUT IN A GRAPPLING FIGHT, and questioned if Semerzier could do that, too... except i wasn't really questioning if Semerzier could submit a bjj black belt in a grappling match, I was pointing out that Papazian has. My MAIN point was that being talented in judo is an advantage when fighting jiu-jitsu specialists. Talented judokas beat BJJ black belts all the time in BJJ tournaments. My neighbor who trains with Parisyan, Gamburyan, etc. beat bjj black belts over in Japan and South America.

[Vaughany]

"Originally Posted by gabe
Is Semerzier skilled in judo and submissions like Papazian is?

Can Semerzier use his judo/submission skills to tap a BJJ black belt while grappling? Papazian has."

How do you think that there is any possible way that this infers what you said above? You're clearly doubting Semerzier's ability to tap a black belt.

It's a pointless endeavour trying to explain anything to him. He's always right in the Gabe reality tunnnel.

It's not surprising that guys like Lasker, Rocky, Ill and Ecco dont post on SBR much or at all anymore. Don't think I would if guys like Edu and Nunya didnt post on here and some of the newer ones like yourself who have some common sense and ability to be objective

[gabe]

[quote=Vaughany;13786123]

Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't say NEAR the hotel, you said OUTSIDE the hotel... big difference... I'm sorry for misquoting you except i didn't use quotations, so i wasn't quoting you... you used quotations when quoting me and said things i never said... the papazian line i said, but the other thing u quoted was fully fabricated. /QUOTE] I cant believe you are still denying saying that. I've quoted you at least 6 times. Yes what I said wasnt vertabim but it was the same thing! The fact that you didnt quote me exactly is irrelevant. You tried to make out that I'd said something different to what I'd actually said. You were implying that I'd said they'd met him away from the hotel when I said that they'd met him outside the hotel. Im done speaking with you. It's fine when you're supporting yourself but when you start lying about things it just gets silly. Craziest thing is that you accused me of fabricating things (even when I was quoting you verbatim to back up what I said that you'd said) and then you went and did the exact same thing that you were accusing me of.

Um, you brought up 2 quotes to use against me. One was fabricated, the other was irrelevant.

Here, i'll paste what I just said, in case you missed it:

step-by-step what happened:
1- you brought up an irrelevant papazian quote.
2- i proved that my prediction was the fight would go the distance.
3- you say that doesn't matter, papazian quote was still dumb.
4- i use your own semerzier/fabiano example against you to prove that it's not dumb, and after watching the fight, it's clear that what i said wasn't dumb. A) judo takedowns certainly could have been the deciding factor in his fight. B) if semerzier without bjj and judo skills can submit a black belt, wouldn't be surprising if a talented judoka with a purple belt in bjj did too...

[Vaughany]

[QUOTE=gabe;13786167]

Um, you brought up 2 quotes to use against me. One was fabricated, the other was irrelevant.

Here, i'll paste what I just said, in case you missed it:

step-by-step what happened:
1- you brought up an irrelevant papazian quote.
2- i proved that my prediction was the fight would go the distance.
3- you say that doesn't matter, papazian quote was still dumb.
4- i use your own semerzier/fabiano example against you to prove that it's not dumb, and after watching the fight, it's clear that what i said wasn't dumb. A) judo takedowns certainly could have been the deciding factor in his fight. B) if semerzier without bjj and judo skills can submit a black belt, wouldn't be surprising if a talented judoka with a purple belt in bjj did too...

Where was this fabricated quote exactly?

And Papazian wasnt a purple belt - he's a blue-belt under Alberto Crane - again shows that you're making sh*t up

[gabe]

It's a pointless endeavour trying to explain anything to him. He's always right in the Gabe reality tunnnel.

It's not surprising that guys like Lasker, Rocky, Ill and Ecco dont post on SBR much or at all anymore. Don't think I would if guys like Edu and Nunya didnt post on here and some of the newer ones like yourself who have some common sense and ability to be objective

Yeah, they don't post because they don't agree with my opinions about fights

It's OK if you don't agree with predictions I make, you don't need to attack me.

I give a better idea of what I think is gonna happen than anyone else (besides you)... Why aren't you on anyone elses case about what they say? Most people just post their picks and don't even offer their thoughts.

What you have against me is personal. If it wasn't, then you would have said sh*t to other users here, too. I have not once seen you say anything to Big Day about throwing money at fighters solely because they come from a wrestling background. If my reasoning for my bets was that I was betting on fighters who came from a BJJ background, you would be laughing at me and attacking me 24/7. Like I said, this is personal to you. You have something against me. You don't like me. Don't say you're not attacking me, it's a clear attack.

[more_betterness]

It's a pointless endeavour trying to explain anything to him. He's always right in the Gabe reality tunnnel.

It's not surprising that guys like Lasker, Rocky, Ill and Ecco dont post on SBR much or at all anymore. Don't think I would if guys like Edu and Nunya didnt post on here and some of the newer ones like yourself who have some common sense and ability to be objective

I started lurking here while those guys were still around, so have witnessed the slow sad demise of this board. There's definitely still some pearls of wisdom thrown around every once in a while though, hopefully the influx of BallinBlades-esque posters slows somewhat in the near future. If not this shit is pretty entertaining though.

[Vaughany]

Yeah, they don't post because they don't agree with my opinions about fights

It's OK if you don't agree with predictions I make, you don't need to attack me.

I give a better idea of what I think is gonna happen than anyone else (besides you)... Why aren't you on anyone elses case about what they say? Most people just post their picks and don't even offer their thoughts.

What you have against me is personal. If it wasn't, then you would have said sh*t to other users here, too. I have not once seen you say anything to Big Day about throwing money at fighters solely because they come from a wrestling background. If my reasoning for my bets was that I was betting on fighters who came from a BJJ background, you would be laughing at me and attacking me 24/7. Like I said, this is personal to you. You have something against me. You don't like me. Don't say you're not attacking me, it's a clear attack.

Again you're making it all about you. Im not saying they dont post here because they dont agree with your opinions on fights, I'm saying its because of crazies like you!
And Im not in BidDay's threads because Bigday isnt claiming to be a superstar or smarter than most people. He isnt going in to Ecco's thread and making smartass comments like "should of listened to me". He also doesnt respond to the slightest bit of advice or constructive criticism with "shut the f*ck up u dumbass...seriously how dumb are u...cant believe how dumb u are... you dumbass" etc...

[more_betterness]

The most common glaring deficiency among modern fighters is definitely TDD, and when coupled with how skewed the current judging system is towards takedowns, betting on a wrestler (especially as a dog) is usually a pretty decent proposition.

I got your back BIGDAY

[gabe]

[quote=Vaughany;13786237]

Where was this fabricated quote exactly?

What you said:

"Papazian will probably judo throw Easton and tap him with an arm-bar" is not good insight! lol

Actual quote:

"He'll tap Easton out or judo toss him down against the cage and beat him against it."

Verbatim, huh? You might want to look up what the word "verbatim" means.

I was pumped up talking about that fight when I said that. I didn't guarantee he'll tap him out or that he will toss him down. I was hoping that's would happen, it wasn't an actual prediction. It was a Papazian fan talking about the performance he wanted to see. My actual prediction was in my write-up with the pick. Nowhere else did I say anything to imply that he WILL use judo or that he WILL get a submission. You damn well know I was big on the fight going the distance, but were just looking for AAAANNNYTHING to use against me. PATHETIC!!!

And Papazian wasnt a purple belt - he's a blue-belt under Alberto Crane - again shows that you're making sh*t up

Yeah, I have to be making it up. It couldn't have possibly been a mistake.

Either way, his belt color is irrelevant to what I was saying. Fool.

[Vaughany]

I started lurking here while those guys were still around, so have witnessed the slow sad demise of this board. There's definitely still some pearls of wisdom thrown around every once in a while though, hopefully the influx of BallinBlades-esque posters slows somewhat in the near future. If not this shit is pretty entertaining though.

Yeah hopefully, but as you say it can be entertaining...just not when it's 90% like that!

Im far from a master at this sh*t and have a lot to learn - I'll never claim to be a gambling guru!, but a lot of what I do know is partly a result of following and speaking to guys like Ill, Ecco, Brooks and Chairib back in 2009/2010 when they all posted a lot more.

[Vaughany]

[QUOTE=gabe;13786481]

What you said:

"Papazian will probably judo throw Easton and tap him with an arm-bar" is not good insight! lol

Actual quote:

"He'll tap Easton out or judo toss him down against the cage and beat him against it."

Verbatim, huh? You might want to look up what the word "verbatim" means.

I was pumped up talking about that fight when I said that. I didn't guarantee he'll tap him out or that he will toss him down. I was hoping that's would happen, it wasn't an actual prediction. It was a Papazian fan talking about the performance he wanted to see. My actual prediction was in my write-up with the pick. Nowhere else did I say anything to imply that he WILL use judo or that he WILL get a submission. You damn well know I was big on the fight going the distance, but were just looking for AAAANNNYTHING to use against me. PATHETIC!!!



Yeah, I have to be making it up. It couldn't have possibly been a mistake.

Either way, his belt color is irrelevant to what I was saying. Fool.

Jesus Christ! I was saying that the quote that supported what I'd initially said about you was verbatim!
What I initially said that you'd claimed was indeed: "Papazian will probably judo throw Easton and tap him with an arm-bar".... you said that you didnt say that, which you didnt word for word but what you did say verbatim was: "He'll tap Easton out or judo toss him down against the cage and beat him against it." It's exactly the same thing but with the words jumbled up and with "judo throw" used instead of "judo toss"! Surely you can't deny that? I wasnt going to go into your thread history and find the exact quote was I? Ended up that I had to anyway because you were denying saying anything of the sort. Which again was a lie because as we've just established you did say something very similar except in a slighty different way. The key points were that you said he'll tap Easton out or judo toss him down..." . You also said "He'll" which is HE WILL which would imply to me and I guarantee anybody that read that that you think it's a foregone conclusion.

How can you mistake his belt colour when you know so much about him supposedly? It either is or isn't! They are different colour belts.

[more_betterness]

Yeah hopefully, but as you say it can be entertaining...just not when it's 90% like that!

Im far from a master at this sh*t and have a lot to learn - I'll never claim to be a gambling guru!, but a lot of what I do know is partly a result of following and speaking to guys like Ill, Ecco, Brooks and Chairib back in 2009/2010 when they all posted a lot more.

I started looking at these forums around UFC 118, and having never bet on sports before, got absolutely destroyed the first few events. I can say the same, in that next to good old fashioned experience, I learned the most from reading what those guys (and yourself) posted.