UFC 141: Lesnar vs Overeem

**The HOFF** · 12-12-11, 06:56 PM

Apparently Overeem had the urine test done by his own doctor and not at a testing facility.

**5mike5** · 12-12-11, 07:01 PM

this card is totally weak even with lesnar

**The HOFF** · 12-12-11, 07:27 PM

Looks like Overeem will get a conditional license. More testing once back in the US and possibly random testing over the next 6 months.

**The HOFF** · 12-12-11, 07:43 PM

Overeem has to test again in a lab (possibly the UK), test in the US, and then twice randomly over a 6 month period. Fight is a go unless he fails a test.

**Lick496** · 12-12-11, 10:56 PM

so a chance of this fight still happeing?

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 12-15-11, 04:30 PM

Brock Lesnar facing charges in Canada stemming from recent hunting trip

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/12/15/2638707/brock-lesnar-facing-charges-in-canada-stemming-from-recent-hunting

Brock Lesnar, an avid hunter, is in trouble for a recent trip to Canada. Apparently the former UFC heavyweight champion is facing three charges for various hunting related issues.

**The HOFF** · 12-18-11, 06:08 AM

As expected, the remaining preliminary-card fights from this month's "UFC 141: Lesnar vs. Overeem" event will stream live and for free on Facebook, UFC officials recently confirmed with MMAjunkie.com.

The four-bout stream precedes a pay-per-view main card and a two-bout Spike TV "UFC Prelims" special.

**Vaughany** · 12-18-11, 05:41 PM

Just grabbed Pearson at -180...moved to -245 now with Junior Assuncao at +175

**The HOFF** · 12-18-11, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Just grabbed Pearson at -180...moved to -245 now with Junior Assuncao at +175

Edit...

I thought you meant Pierson and I was like WTF? Now I see it's Pearson not Pierson.

**Vaughany** · 12-18-11, 05:52 PM

haha

**gabe** · 12-18-11, 06:00 PM

i don't see the lines anywhere, vince vaughany. why hasnt bestfightodds put 'em up?

**Vaughany** · 12-18-11, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by gabe

i don't see the lines anywhere, vince vaughany. why hasnt bestfightodds put 'em up?

Sportbet/5dimes released it - bestfightodds is never instantaneous at putting them up...usually at least 10 minutes behind when bookmaker or bodog release lines and can be much longer when 5dimes/sportbet release. So u cant rely on bestfightodds to catch opening lines

**PunisherIND** · 12-19-11, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Sportbet/5dimes released it - bestfightodds is never instantaneous at putting them up...usually at least 10 minutes behind when bookmaker or bodog release lines and can be much longer when 5dimes/sportbet release. So u cant rely on bestfightodds to catch opening lines

good job grabbing the opener V. pearson was up to -270 last night. now at -260.

**bogbat** · 12-20-11, 01:30 AM

The last two fighters I have had as my avatar have lost. Lets see if the trend continues.

**BIGDAY** · 12-20-11, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by bogbat

The last two fighters I have had as my avatar have lost. Lets see if the trend continues.

Trends are trends I guess.

One of our avitars will go down!

This fight will come down to if Lesnar can take Overeem down. I have 100% faith that he will and can, however it will only take one knee on the way for that takedown that will stun Brock and allow a swarm by Overeem for a stopage.

**Beelzebubzy** · 12-20-11, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Trends are trends I guess.

One of our avitars will go down!

This fight will come down to if Lesnar can take Overeem down. I have 100% faith that he will and can, however it will only take one knee on the way for that takedown that will stun Brock and allow a swarm by Overeem for a stopage.

Without health concerns, I think this fight is rather close. Overeem has not faced a wrestler if I recall correctly, and one that is as quick and as high of a pedigree of Lesnar. I think Lesnar with a gameplan of closing the distance and Wall and stalling to zap some cardio out of Overeem has a good chance.

I have 1u on Overeem at -140 or so. I think Overeem can out muscle Lesnar and keep this standing; but, the health concerns, turtling, and motivation are my real reasons for picking Reem. I will arb out if given the opporrunity.

**Vaughany** · 12-20-11, 01:41 PM

Hettes training with Frankie Edgar, McCray and Liguori in Toms River for past few weeks

**Vaughany** · 12-20-11, 01:42 PM

Overeem has brought Jared Rosholt over to Holland to work on takedown defence

**gabe** · 12-20-11, 02:02 PM

Liking Hettes even more now! Should show improved striking and footwork working with Edgar!

**Vaughany** · 12-20-11, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Liking Hettes even more now! Should show improved striking and footwork working with Edgar!

Anything Edgar touches turns to gold in my eyes!

**proposition joe** · 12-20-11, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Liking Hettes even more now! Should show improved striking and footwork working with Edgar!

Phan is pretty damn well rounded. How do you see Hettes winning?

**gabe** · 12-20-11, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by proposition joe

Phan is pretty damn well rounded. How do you see Hettes winning?

Probably a submission or split decision.

Any way. Phan's got a good chin, but he's been KO'd a couple times.

He's not easy to finish, so it's likely to go to a decision, but The Kid is a submission expert, so I wouldn't be the least surprised if he locks Phan up in something.

4 rear naked chokes, 2 triangles, a guillotine, an armbar, and a heelhook. not a bad resume of finishes.

**brooks85** · 12-20-11, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Probably a submission or split decision.

Any way. Phan's got a good chin, but he's been KO'd a couple times.

He's not easy to finish, so it's likely to go to a decision, but The Kid is a submission expert, so I wouldn't be the least surprised if he locks Phan up in something.

4 rear naked chokes, 2 triangles, a guillotine, an armbar, and a heelhook. not a bad resume of finishes.

but against who... he was getting worked over by leroy until he finally caught him in round 2 and he doesn't have very good sub defense.

**Beelzebubzy** · 12-20-11, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Hettes training with Frankie Edgar, McCray and Liguori in Toms River for past few weeks

Kris McCray?
Sorry not interested.
Chris Liguori lives in my town, but still not interested.

**gabe** · 12-20-11, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

but against who... he was getting worked over by leroy until he finally caught him in round 2 and he doesn't have very good sub defense.

I wouldn't bet on Phan at such a juicy price. I think there's value in Hettes. Guess that's just me.

**proposition joe** · 12-20-11, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I wouldn't bet on Phan at such a juicy price. I think there's value in Hettes. Guess that's just me.

I agree. The question is, how much value is ENOUGH value? I don't think Hettes is better than plus 155 or so, which means I won't be playing despite seeing some value.

**NunyaBidness** · 12-20-11, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by proposition joe

I agree. The question is, how much value is ENOUGH value? I don't think Hettes is better than plus 155 or so, which means I won't be playing despite seeing some value.

What?

If someone gives you +100.01 on a coinflip you take it. The amount you bet is the only question.

Didn't your grandpa tell you to pick up the nickels on the sidewalk?

(Not saying I see value in the current Hettes line however)

**brooks85** · 12-20-11, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I wouldn't bet on Phan at such a juicy price. I think there's value in Hettes. Guess that's just me.

seems like most people here like hettes, i personally just dont see it. I like phan at his current line because i think he has every advantage and has shown it.

**Vaughany** · 12-20-11, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

seems like most people here like hettes, i personally just dont see it. I like phan at his current line because i think he has every advantage and has shown it.

I agree, I'd be on Phan over Hettes if I had to pick - as I said above I don't think Hettes will necessarily have a grappling advantage of Phan - the Caceres fight exposed his lack of experience and naivety in certain situations. Still definitely not playing Phan at current line though...may look at Phan by decision closer to fight time.

**Vaughany** · 12-20-11, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Kris McCray?
Sorry not interested.
Chris Liguori lives in my town, but still not interested.

Still better than if he had his camp in Swoyersville or wherever the hell his main gym is!

**gabe** · 12-20-11, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by proposition joe

I agree. The question is, how much value is ENOUGH value? I don't think Hettes is better than plus 155 or so, which means I won't be playing despite seeing some value.

What? You think he should be +155 but won't take him at +200?

I think +200 is a good price to get him at.

**Vaughany** · 12-20-11, 06:00 PM

Yeah surely +200 is worth considering if you think he should be around +155?!

**proposition joe** · 12-20-11, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

What?

If someone gives you +100.01 on a coinflip you take it. The amount you bet is the only question.

Didn't your grandpa tell you to pick up the nickels on the sidewalk?

(Not saying I see value in the current Hettes line however)

I use a different money management system than you. Hettes will have to hit plus 230 on Bookmaker for me to be allowed to make a minimum play but I wouldn't play it still in this case because my gut was hoping for a good line on Phan and I only go against my gut if I have to make a medium or large play.

I know the system that you use is proven and the one that I use is not.

**brooks85** · 12-20-11, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

I agree, I'd be on Phan over Hettes if I had to pick - as I said above I don't think Hettes will necessarily have a grappling advantage of Phan - the Caceres fight exposed his lack of experience and naivety in certain situations. Still definitely not playing Phan at current line though...may look at Phan by decision closer to fight time.

ya thats my take on it, though i do think hettes has a high ceiling and i am interested to see how his sparring payoffs. But i don't think hettes can catch up with phan come dec 30.

**Mr Handicapable** · 12-21-11, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Trends are trends I guess.

One of our avitars will go down!

This fight will come down to if Lesnar can take Overeem down. I have 100% faith that he will and can, however it will only take one knee on the way for that takedown that will stun Brock and allow a swarm by Overeem for a stopage.

Lesnar took down Velasquez and it didn't help much. A wrestling background is great but you need solid ground-n-pound and submissions which Lesnar doesn't have. I don't see him laying on Overeem and staying there.