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  • Ladle
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 03-21-11
    • 835

    #141
    Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8
    I think Leroy is on the card for the simple matter of alot of people wanting to see his face smashed in. Me thinks Mackens weathers some unorthodox Leroy-fu and takes this to the mat stat.

    Also -- anyone out there considering a straddle of Mr. Wonderful (-330) w/ Nog inside the distance (+484)? Granted, any time it goes to the cards, it can get dicey, but... I'm looking for a Davis decision via wrestling top control / Davis finish (less likely) / Nog finish. Can't see Nog taking a decision here as I don't think his boxing & TDD is enough to keep this thing standing to earn an "outpointing" decision, and can't see him taking a decision by spending the good majority of this fight on his back -- even if he is active from guard...
    I like your thought process but it's risky for the exact reason that you mentioned. Hypothetically, what if the fight unfolds similarly to the Brilz fight? Granted, that was a fight that Rogerio deserved to lose, but he still got the victory.
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    • bjpenn85
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 02-17-11
      • 5059

      #142
      What about Mcorcle and Morecraft not going the distance 1.50 / -200 @ paddypower.com?
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      • Ladle
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 03-21-11
        • 835

        #143
        Originally posted by bjpenn85
        What about Mcorcle and Morecraft not going the distance 1.50 / -200 @ paddypower.com?
        Those odds indicate the fight doesn't go the distance 67% of the time. If you believe that the fight doesn't go the distance at least 77% of the time, then it's a good bet. In my opinion, it's just about worthy of a play.
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        • Vaughany
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 03-07-10
          • 45563

          #144
          Originally posted by Ladle
          Those odds indicate the fight doesn't go the distance 67% of the time. If you believe that the fight doesn't go the distance at least 77% of the time, then it's a good bet. In my opinion, it's just about worthy of a play.
          Yeah I cap it not going the distance about 75% of time so will be making a play on this later as long as odds dont worsen...also like Morecraft in Rnd 1 at +350 or Morecraft by TKO/KO at +250.
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          • bjpenn85
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 02-17-11
            • 5059

            #145
            where do you get these numbers, 67% 75%?
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            • Vaughany
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 03-07-10
              • 45563

              #146
              Originally posted by bjpenn85
              where do you get these numbers, 67% 75%?
              Out of our asses!
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              • sideloaded
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-21-10
                • 7561

                #147
                Originally posted by Vaughany
                Out of our asses!
                lol, you get it from the odds. google it.
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                • Vaughany
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 03-07-10
                  • 45563

                  #148
                  Originally posted by sideloaded
                  lol, you get it from the odds. google it.
                  ha In terms of converting odds in to percentages I use this: http://sportility.net/oddsconverter/

                  But in terms of me estimating how many times a certain outcome will occur as a percentage...that is taken from my ass pretty much!
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                  • Ladle
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 03-21-11
                    • 835

                    #149
                    Originally posted by Vaughany
                    Out of our asses!


                    But yes, Vaughany is correct. I just used an odds converter to work out how the odds translated to a percentage. Here's my personal favourite: http://www.onlinegambling.com/sports...alculators.htm
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                    • NickTheGrip
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 10-18-10
                      • 33

                      #150
                      You have a knowledgeable ass, sir.
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                      • Vaughany
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 03-07-10
                        • 45563

                        #151
                        Morecraft/McCorkle, Hathaway/McCray, and Figueroa/McDonald all on facebook.
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                        • sirchadwick1
                          SBR MVP
                          • 06-02-10
                          • 1375

                          #152
                          Sweet facebook lineup. I just hate how the streams are unreliable. Sometimes it's slow or choppy... other times I maximize and it doesn't run in HD. I do have the latest version of Silverlight, but have noticed this on multiple systems. Can't really complain b/c it's free though.
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                          • Ladle
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 03-21-11
                            • 835

                            #153
                            Originally posted by sirchadwick1
                            Sweet facebook lineup. I just hate how the streams are unreliable. Sometimes it's slow or choppy... other times I maximize and it doesn't run in HD. I do have the latest version of Silverlight, but have noticed this on multiple systems. Can't really complain b/c it's free though.
                            You could always torrent it in HD the following day. That's what I do for Strikeforce events.

                            Forget watching a laggy stream! Can't think of anything more frustrating.
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                            • Vaughany
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 03-07-10
                              • 45563

                              #154
                              Originally posted by Vaughany
                              Morecraft/McCorkle, Hathaway/McCray, and Figueroa/McDonald all on facebook.
                              Madsen/Russow and Semerzier/Bruce Leroy also on FB! AWESOME
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                              • Ladle
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 03-21-11
                                • 835

                                #155
                                Originally posted by Vaughany
                                Madsen/Russow and Semerzier/Bruce Leroy also on FB! AWESOME
                                Essentially a full card's worth of fights on Facebook. Good stuff!
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                                • Vaughany
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 03-07-10
                                  • 45563

                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by Ladle
                                  Essentially a full card's worth of fights on Facebook. Good stuff!
                                  Yeah, also means Sportbet/5dimes will probably add props for some of these fights, they've already added Russow/Madsen props (but without odds so far).
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                                  • Ladle
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 03-21-11
                                    • 835

                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by Vaughany
                                    Yeah, also means Sportbet/5dimes will probably add props for some of these fights, they've already added Russow/Madsen props (but without odds so far).
                                    Good point. I hope Madsen by decision comes out at better than even money so I can drop some more on it (I maxed out at Paddy). Then I can put extra on Russow.
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                                    • Educ8d Degener8
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-12-10
                                      • 3177

                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by Ladle
                                      I like your thought process but it's risky for the exact reason that you mentioned. Hypothetically, what if the fight unfolds similarly to the Brilz fight? Granted, that was a fight that Rogerio deserved to lose, but he still got the victory.
                                      True, true... judging ineptitude is something to consider in any fight where a decision outcome is of reasonable probability.
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                                      • Ladle
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 03-21-11
                                        • 835

                                        #159
                                        Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8
                                        True, true... judging ineptitude is something to consider in any fight where a decision outcome is of reasonable probability.
                                        Absolutely. Judging has been consistently bad throughout the lifespan of MMA.
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                                        • Educ8d Degener8
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 01-12-10
                                          • 3177

                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                                          Would you take this wager? We flip a coin, heads you pay me $1,000 tails I pay you $2,100
                                          If Cecil Peoples is judging the coin flip, then absolutely not.

                                          'Cos even if it landed on tails, he'd award the flip to heads because tail flips certainly don't finish coin flips.
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                                          • Ladle
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 03-21-11
                                            • 835

                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8
                                            If Cecil Peoples is judging the coin flip, then absolutely not.

                                            'Cos even if it landed on tails, he'd award the flip to heads because tail flips certainly don't finish coin flips.
                                            You're being generous. I don't think Cecil Peoples is intelligent enough to even comprehend the concept of coin flip.
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                                            • youngbutgood
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 11-07-08
                                              • 139

                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by LearningTree
                                              Madsen/Russow line make no sense at all. No way in hell Russow should be +250. Makes zero sense.
                                              How is Russow's wrestling? I've only seen his Homer Simpson win against Todd Duffee.
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                                              • The HOFF
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 07-02-08
                                                • 4847

                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by youngbutgood
                                                How is Russow's wrestling? I've only seen his Homer Simpson win against Todd Duffee.


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                                                • Ladle
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 03-21-11
                                                  • 835

                                                  #164
                                                  Originally posted by youngbutgood
                                                  How is Russow's wrestling? I've only seen his Homer Simpson win against Todd Duffee.
                                                  NCAA Division 1 standard. Madsen is the more decorated wrestler, but I think they're pretty evenly matched in that department.
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                                                  • THE_LOCKSMITH
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 08-25-08
                                                    • 7237

                                                    #165
                                                    weigh ins at 7:00pm. will Johnson make weight????????
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                                                    • sirchadwick1
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 06-02-10
                                                      • 1375

                                                      #166
                                                      Rumble NOT to make weight -500
                                                      Rumble makes weight +325
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                                                      • syn^
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 03-08-10
                                                        • 360

                                                        #167
                                                        Does anyone see any value in Damarques johnson +210 beating amir? Damarques is taller and should have an advantage standing up. He's also pretty good on the ground too... im thinking hes got a legitamate chance to win the fight.
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                                                        • Vaughany
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 03-07-10
                                                          • 45563

                                                          #168
                                                          Originally posted by syn^
                                                          Does anyone see any value in Damarques johnson +210 beating amir? Damarques is taller and should have an advantage standing up. He's also pretty good on the ground too... im thinking hes got a legitamate chance to win the fight.
                                                          Are u sayin DaMarques will have an advantage standing just because he is taller? I think Sadollah has advantage standing, he has decent technical Muay Thai even if he does lack power and killer instinct. He's heavily favoured to win by decision for a reason.
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                                                          • MMAdisciple
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 02-16-11
                                                            • 227

                                                            #169
                                                            Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                            Are u sayin DaMarques will have an advantage standing just because he is taller? I think Sadollah has advantage standing, he has decent technical Muay Thai even if he does lack power and killer instinct. He's heavily favoured to win by decision for a reason.
                                                            If the reason is "decent technical MT", I think Johnson's chances are decent.

                                                            Peter Sobatta, Phil Baroni...not that Johnson's opponents were much better but I like DJ's ability to make the match a fight and finish the fight. Wouldn't be surprised if he won an ugly split.
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                                                            • illmatick
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 01-05-09
                                                              • 5456

                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by MMAdisciple
                                                              If the reason is "decent technical MT", I think Johnson's chances are decent.

                                                              Peter Sobatta, Phil Baroni...not that Johnson's opponents were much better but I like DJ's ability to make the match a fight and finish the fight. Wouldn't be surprised if he won an ugly split.
                                                              pretty much the same read I have on the fight. Johnson wins by 3 round decision at +480 is enticing . Amir's superior physical strength in the clinch is my biggest concern.
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                                                              • omalley21
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 11-08-10
                                                                • 908

                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by sirchadwick1
                                                                Rumble NOT to make weight -500
                                                                Rumble makes weight +325
                                                                I bet he makes weight.

                                                                Also Sadollah is a tough dude and hes only getting better. Johnson took the fight on short notice.
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                                                                • FightFightFight
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 03-21-11
                                                                  • 594

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Cant take too much from it, it was quick, but Damarques looked phenomenal last fight. Guymon isnt a pushover. He was expected to be stronger than Damarques. I think either Damarques strength or wrestling has improved. His power advantage on the feet may bring the standup closer to even. I made a mistake, and took Damarques at +160. Hopefully just a mistake because of the bad line.
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                                                                  • syn^
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 03-08-10
                                                                    • 360

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Amir is pretty aggressive coming forward with his muay thai and Damarques has some nice strong counter punching... he could very well floor amir.
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                                                                    • Vaughany
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 03-07-10
                                                                      • 45563

                                                                      #174
                                                                      Dan Hardy gettin emotional at Bruce Lee's grave...

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                                                                      • LayingThe$Down
                                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                                        • 03-12-11
                                                                        • 69

                                                                        #175
                                                                        I usually avoid props, but Phil Davis to win decision is even money....this strikes me as a solid wager. I doubt he stops Lil Nog by submission given Nog's level of BJJ skills, and Davis hasn't yet demonstrated the striking ability necessary to stop Nog, either imo.

                                                                        I have small bets on Rumble, Morecraft, Russow, and Garcia.

                                                                        No big bets this event, just a few small plays here and there. The next Strikeforce, 129, and 130 look more juicy.
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