Joe Rogan should ease it on the pot he has been smoking. So many mistakes announcing the fighters at weigh ins.
UFC 223: Ferguson vs. Khabib (April 07, 2018)
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ThrillaSBR Posting Legend
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#387[QUOTE=Richard Clock;27704305]Can you point to the aspects of his game that he is particularly weak in? I couldn't find anything in the fights I've seen that really stood out.
Masvidal is an elite-level fighter and a stylistic nightmare for Al, so the fact that Al was able to keep the fight fairly competitive speaks to how good he is. Al is 8-2 in the UFC and his only losses were against Mitch Clarke, which was a fluke, and the very skilled Chiesa early in his career. His recent fights were against older fighters, yes, but the fact that he was able to run through them fairly easily shouldn't necessarily be held against him. Do you think he deserves to be around the top 10 at LW? I don't see why he shouldn't; and in that case, I am not sure how you can call him "just ok" and "kinda sucks".
Al will hold his own standing against Khabib I think but the ground Khabib will own...Comment -
ShagdogySBR MVP
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#388Finally got around to Dunham/OAM: Like a few others here, I think OAM is live. Dunham is a very high volume striker, but he has been successful lately against fighters who will willingly march into his range. So yes, he throws 3-4 punch combos after drawing you in, but if you aren't there for his first, you won't be there for the rest either. I think OAM will be the most careful with range of any of his past 3 opponents.
Lauzon and Glenn both were punching bags for Dunham, walking directly into his strikes. Dariush was a bit more careful but still was the one moving forward most of the time. Even still, Dunham landed much fewer strikes against Dariush than the previous two. I think he will land even fewer strikes here against OAM. Meanwhile, I do think OAM can potshot jabs/crosses and leg kicks if he's careful.
The big question is what happens in the clinch/TD game? Dunham is very technically sound in the clinch, but OAM has excellent strength, balance, and trip finishes. I think it's likely he lands TDs more than Dunham. However, Dunham is scrambly off his back and OAM has mental lapses sometimes where he can be reversed if he gets careless. I think that factor will keep this fight interesting, but I still have to get the edge to OAM for his distance management and very excellent clinch/trip ability. If he's cautious in top position and doesn't try to force anything, I think it's his fight.Comment -
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#389^^ I agree with most of what you said Shag.. However, I still think Dunham out works OAM and wins in a tough fought split decision myself.. Dunham is on a bit of roll right now.. Confidence is riding high.. High output fighter.. Good enough in all areas to maybe beat a still developing fighter in OAM..Comment -
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#390Nurmagomedov - SUB - RD 3
Jedrzejczyk - DEC
Moicano - DEC
Magomedsharipov - SUB - RD 2
Lauzon - SUB - RD 1
Kowalkiewicz - DEC
Dunham - DEC
Evans-Smith - DEC
Clark - DEC
My birthday today, wish me luck!Last edited by Teem; 04-07-18, 02:04 PM.Comment -
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#392^^ I agree with most of what you said Shag.. However, I still think Dunham out works OAM and wins in a tough fought split decision myself.. Dunham is on a bit of roll right now.. Confidence is riding high.. High output fighter.. Good enough in all areas to maybe beat a still developing fighter in OAM..Comment -
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#394And now finally getting to Rose/JJ matchup. Man that last fight doesn't look like a fluke at all. Rose landed the lead left hook at will. JJ struggled with range, where she usually has a decent advantage over her opponents. And the chin, if there's any chance at all that her chin is really just at that stage in her career, then getting Rose at even is good. I know the value was much better earlier on when the line opened. Unfortunately I wasn't ready for that, but I still think I may play Rose here. I think she has to get her out of there early or at least have some real good success early so she gains confidence and gets a lead on the cards.Comment -
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#395^ Interesting about Rose/JJ is that both girls looked much different than previous fights. Rose looked notably improved with her range, accuracy, and confidence on the feet, and JJ looked to have dropped off a little bit. Are these two girls whose careers are just moving in opposite directions? Or was that fight just a bad night for JJ and a good night for Rose, and if they both come back to a more average performance, will it tilt the scales back to JJ?Comment -
Richard ClockSBR Sharp
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#396[QUOTE=JIBBBY;27704377]In this fight Al's take down defense won't hold up.. That's his glaring weakness going into this fight.. He will end up on his back getting beat up.. Khabib is a gorilla grappler and will shoot in for the double and or clinch n trip and get it..
Al will hold his own standing against Khabib I think but the ground Khabib will own...Comment -
Richard ClockSBR Sharp
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#397Finally got around to Dunham/OAM: Like a few others here, I think OAM is live. Dunham is a very high volume striker, but he has been successful lately against fighters who will willingly march into his range. So yes, he throws 3-4 punch combos after drawing you in, but if you aren't there for his first, you won't be there for the rest either. I think OAM will be the most careful with range of any of his past 3 opponents.
Lauzon and Glenn both were punching bags for Dunham, walking directly into his strikes. Dariush was a bit more careful but still was the one moving forward most of the time. Even still, Dunham landed much fewer strikes against Dariush than the previous two. I think he will land even fewer strikes here against OAM. Meanwhile, I do think OAM can potshot jabs/crosses and leg kicks if he's careful.
The big question is what happens in the clinch/TD game? Dunham is very technically sound in the clinch, but OAM has excellent strength, balance, and trip finishes. I think it's likely he lands TDs more than Dunham. However, Dunham is scrambly off his back and OAM has mental lapses sometimes where he can be reversed if he gets careless. I think that factor will keep this fight interesting, but I still have to get the edge to OAM for his distance management and very excellent clinch/trip ability. If he's cautious in top position and doesn't try to force anything, I think it's his fight.
I also think the betting public may be underestimating the fact that Dunham is 36 years and can take a step down athletically from what we have seen, while OAM is still under 30 and continues to make progress, especially in his striking. He also fights for a great camp and seems to be introspective and intelligent in his own development. I tend to value OAM's overall consistency in his UFC career, and the SD win vs Tony Martin is an underrated one.
The worry is Dunham being so slick in scrambles that he may be able to catch OAM in a submission or die out rounds on top. Still, considering Dunham's advanced age and OAM's own grappling acumen and intelligent approach, I have a harder time seeing him get into any real trouble on the ground. OAM by TKO/KO opened in the +2800 and intrigued me, but I missed that and settled on ML at +120. May add on money if the price is right, as I feel really good about this one.Last edited by Richard Clock; 04-07-18, 03:08 PM.Comment -
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#398^^ I agree with most of what you said Shag.. However, I still think Dunham out works OAM and wins in a tough fought split decision myself.. Dunham is on a bit of roll right now.. Confidence is riding high.. High output fighter.. Good enough in all areas to maybe beat a still developing fighter in OAM..Comment -
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#399[QUOTE=Richard Clock;27704528]
His glaring weakness? When was the last time he got taken down? Kevin Lee in 2014? He has an 83% TDD rate in the UFC. Just because he hasn't fought anyone of the wrestling caliber of Khabib doesn't mean that his glaring weakness is TDD. Have you watched his recent fights? From what I've seen, he does an excellent job in the clinch and fighting for underhooks. Also, showed a nifty leg lock counter to Lee's takedown attempt, but that would be very ill-advised vs Khabib.Comment -
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#400You know, it can be argued that Al Iaquinta may be the 3rd best fighter that Khabib has ever fought.Comment -
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#403I can't believe Bec Rawlings is still in the UFC. I figured they would gotten rid of her after VanZant fukked her up.
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#406[QUOTE=JIBBBY;27704595]We were discussing why you think Al "kinda sucks". I still don't know what you are basing that off ofComment -
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#408Wasn't aware 5D didn't. Sounds strange considering they bar none on accepting prop parlays. I'm in Vegas and there are a few books here that do. Westgate, I think, and Palms maybe. Def William Hill, and they have online book as well.Comment -
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#409Well Masvidal and Kevin Lee are worth arguing about a little bit Kermy.. I think Khabib could ground and beat up Masvidal but Kevin Lee I'm not so sure about? Kevin Lee is coming on hard right now and is a stand out wrestler himself.. Khabib I believe would have trouble grounding Kevin Lee for sure..
Kevin Lee is a much better fighter today then he was back in 2014 when Al fought him also..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Al-Iaquinta-42817Last edited by JIBBBY; 04-07-18, 04:09 PM.Comment -
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#410[QUOTE=Richard Clock;27704305]Can you point to the aspects of his game that he is particularly weak in? I couldn't find anything in the fights I've seen that really stood out.
Masvidal is an elite-level fighter and a stylistic nightmare for Al, so the fact that Al was able to keep the fight fairly competitive speaks to how good he is. Al is 8-2 in the UFC and his only losses were against Mitch Clarke, which was a fluke, and the very skilled Chiesa early in his career. His recent fights were against older fighters, yes, but the fact that he was able to run through them fairly easily shouldn't necessarily be held against him. Do you think he deserves to be around the top 10 at LW? I don't see why he shouldn't; and in that case, I am not sure how you can call him "just ok" and "kinda sucks".Comment -
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#411Kermit you horney little f*cker. I see you chose the one showing buttcrack and highlight her beatifull backspine from the pictures of my original post to quote post yours.
My favourite one too. Although tough choice between the last one where her pretty feet are erotically positioned, since I have a little footfetishComment -
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#4120-3 and missed weight against Torres. If she loses this, I can't see her sticking around the UFC. I believe the 2 fights she did win were against fighters no longer in the UFC, and is 2-4 in her UFC career.Comment -
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#413The real question is IF Al Iaquinta somehow wins, then what? Does he fight Conor? Wait for Tony? Or will Dana White pull some kind of bullshit and say that he can't give him the belt?Comment -
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#414[QUOTE=RussianMike;27704680]
Looking for fighters with good take down defense against Khabib is like looking for that hot chick on girl's night out. Shit's irrelevant, really. Mofos will end up on their back. With AI, what many people seem to be missing in this fight, his greatest strength might simply be a good fight IQ. He positions himself less off instinct and seems to understand the other fighter's mentality during the fight. Very controlled. That may be the asset that puts him in a favorable position to finish. Really, who is gonna keep Khabib's grapple game locked down during an entire fight, anyways?
There is absolutely no one in that weight class that can deal with his grappling, but AI does have the ability to make it ugly. My reservation is about his cardio, the pace that Khabib puts on everyone. Al hasn't fought in a year, and had a 2 year lay off before that.Comment -
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#415[QUOTE=JIBBBY;27704377]
In this fight Al's take down defense won't hold up.. That's his glaring weakness going into this fight.. He will end up on his back getting beat up.. Khabib is a gorilla grappler and will shoot in for the double and or clinch n trip and get it..
Al will hold his own standing against Khabib I think but the ground Khabib will own...
of course facing Khabib it pretty much doesnt matter how good your TDD is thoughComment -
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#416by the way... where is Demonta
you alive buddy?Comment -
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#417Could this be destiny for Iaquinta? It is 11 years to the day that his coach Matt Serra ko'd GSP to win the title in a big upset.
Now 4 fighters had to drop out in a week in order for him to get this fight in his hometown......Comment -
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#419IiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitsTIME!Comment -
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#420UFC 223: Ferguson vs. Nurmagomedov Picks:
Devin Clark Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Olivier Aubin-Mercier Round 2 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Ashlee Evans-Smith Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Karolina Kowalkiewicz Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Joe Lauzon Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Zabit Magomedsharipov Round 2 Submission (Anaconda Choke)
Calvin Kattar Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Joanna Jedrzejczyk Unanimous Decision (50-45, 49-46 x2)
Khabib Nurmagomedov Round 3 Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)Comment
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