UFC Fight Night: Nelson vs. Ponzinibbio (July 16, 2017)

**Shagdogy** · 07-12-17, 11:57 PM

http://www.cagepotato.com/could-this-guy-be-the-future-in-mma-striking/

Check the video out in this link of Galore hitting a heavy bag. It's absurd. And Charlie Ward is just the sort of fighter that you can try this crap against because he's basically a pylon with no head movement once round 2 hits. UFC wants a KO from this guy.

**Ty$** · 07-13-17, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

http://www.cagepotato.com/could-this...-mma-striking/

Check the video out in this link of Galore hitting a heavy bag. It's absurd. And Charlie Ward is just the sort of fighter that you can try this crap against because he's basically a pylon with no head movement once round 2 hits. UFC wants a KO from this guy.

Yeah holy shit. There's another fight I watched not on the record too. Dude is good.

**Rich Benjamins** · 07-13-17, 03:09 AM

Pretty sick skills and speed Galore has. I did some research. Ward's latest win was from takedowns and lay and GnP. That's his key to victory in the fight. Galore has been taken down and held there the whole round in some previous fights. I put a bet on Galore, assuming that he's been practicing his takedown defense. If Galore can keep it standing, it will be an easy win for him with his speed and ability. Galore is on the older side, he's 35. Not sure how old Ward is. I also don't know why Galore had a 2 year layoff. You'd think with his flashiness and crowd-pleasing style he'd keep fighting. Maybe he was rethinking his career choice.

Originally posted by Shagdogy

http://www.cagepotato.com/could-this...-mma-striking/

Check the video out in this link of Galore hitting a heavy bag. It's absurd. And Charlie Ward is just the sort of fighter that you can try this crap against because he's basically a pylon with no head movement once round 2 hits. UFC wants a KO from this guy.

**Rich Benjamins** · 07-13-17, 03:51 AM

I also think betting on Bofando could be a trap. He looks really good in the videos, but why the 2+ year layoff? He's only a -200 fav against Ward who likely isn't UFC caliber, something could be rotten in Denmark here.

Originally posted by Shagdogy

http://www.cagepotato.com/could-this...-mma-striking/

Check the video out in this link of Galore hitting a heavy bag. It's absurd. And Charlie Ward is just the sort of fighter that you can try this crap against because he's basically a pylon with no head movement once round 2 hits. UFC wants a KO from this guy.

**Shagdogy** · 07-13-17, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by Rich Benjamins

I also think betting on Bofando could be a trap. He looks really good in the videos, but why the 2+ year layoff? He's only a -200 fav against Ward who likely isn't UFC caliber, something could be rotten in Denmark here.

I'm willing to take my chances. Ward's takedowns in his lay n pray fight were awful. His opponent was trash and even he was sticking a straight jab in Ward's face for the 2nd and 3rd rounds as long as it was standing. With his speed, I don't see Galore being taken down in rounds 2 and 3 and Ward's GnP is awful even if he does get the takedown in round 1. He just buries his head in his opponent's chest and plays it safe. Doesn't posture up and get any real power in it.

**turbozed** · 07-13-17, 10:33 AM

Was hoping to bet Calvillo here against Calderwood but don't like the price much at all. Especially with hometown judging, Calvillo may either have to dominate or finish to win since anything remotely close will go to Calderwood. I see this fight going down like Kish/Herrig. Just wish the lines were somewhere closer. Wondering where it ends up. Are Scottish fans going to do enough to move the needle at all closer to fight day? I'm guessing no so this fight is either a pass or a small bet at Calvillo -3.5 if it's reasonable.

**turbozed** · 07-13-17, 10:54 AM

Here's Bofando talking about his call-up from the UFC.

Doesn't inspire much confidence. Looks like he's had 3 months to prepare which he says is enough because he's been keeping himself 'in shape.' Doesn't talk at all about the 2 year layoff.

**JIBBBY** · 07-13-17, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Ty$

No I haven't found full fights. This just seems like the lines should be closer or sumthing. Danny Henry has about 20-25 ROUNDS of mma fighting without being finished. Teymur has about 9-10 MINUTES in the cage. I say very live dog that's all nite boys.

Danny Henry has a bunch of highlight vids on Youtube.. These guys suck good luck trying to cap this as your basically looking at clips of bums fighting bums in little name organizations.. I'm not seeing alot from Henry, basic skills seems well rounded.. Nothing special...

Few fights in this vid fro Henry

**Ty$** · 07-13-17, 11:35 AM

I'm not saying I'm going to bet my house on him. Just match up style and experience I think it's more of a tossup not a 2 to 1 either way. I try to find value in underdogs. I can't pay the juice like you Jibby.

**JIBBBY** · 07-13-17, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Ty$

I'm not saying I'm going to bet my house on him. Just match up style and experience I think it's more of a tossup not a 2 to 1 either way. I try to find value in underdogs. I can't pay the juice like you Jibby.

I don't pay juice often that's why I play the props most of the time to avoid the juice and heavy odds... I played one fight on the last card with heavy juice and won.. I try it every now in then if confident....

GL Ty.. Pick a can any can

...

**PaperTrail07** · 07-13-17, 12:00 PM

Honestly Cavillo should ROLL Calderwood LOL.....Might go HEAVY

**PaperTrail07** · 07-13-17, 12:01 PM

Leans:

Nelson-(love Gente BkofAma but Nelson will eventually land one)
Cavillo
Felder at +$
Craig +185

**Ty$** · 07-13-17, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

Leans:

Nelson-(love Gente BkofAma but Nelson will eventually land one)
Cavillo
Felder at +$
Craig +185

Craig scares me cuz his shit cardio but otherwise I like your leans.

**Ty$** · 07-13-17, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I don't pay juice often that's why I play the props most of the time to avoid the juice and heavy odds... I played one fight on the last card with heavy juice and won.. I try it every now in then if confident....

GL Ty.. Pick a can any can

...

I know JIbby unless theyre top 10 theyre a can OK OK. I know my shit. Remember I've trained and still train w UFC fighters.

**PaperTrail07** · 07-13-17, 03:07 PM

I just think the bear Jew is Crafty enough to keep Roundtree Guessing and land a TD or some strickes....at +185.....easy decision to pick a side IMO....QUOTE=Ty$;27082563]I know JIbby unless theyre top 10 theyre a can OK OK. I know my shit. Remember I've trained and still train w UFC fighters.[/QUOTE]

**Sanity Check** · 07-13-17, 04:21 PM

Bellator 181 tomorrow.

**JIBBBY** · 07-13-17, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Sanity Check

Bellator 181 tomorrow.

Yup.... Liking all the favorites myself.. Better value then expected with Campos IMO...

Bellator 181 - Catchweight 3 rounds - WinStar World Casino & Resort - Thackerville, Oklahoma - Spike TV
Fri 7/14	3001 Brandon Girtz	+130	o2½ -185
10:31PM	3002 Derek Campos	-150	u2½ +160
Bellator 181 - Bantamweight 3 rounds - WinStar World Casino & Resort - Thackerville, Oklahoma - Spike TV
Fri 7/14	3101 Steve Garcia Jr	+170	o2½ -180
10:01PM	3102 Joe Warren	-200	u2½ +158
Bellator 181 - Middleweight 3 rounds - WinStar World Casino & Resort - Thackerville, Oklahoma - Spike TV
Fri 7/14	3201 Kendall Grove	+180	o1½ -140
9:30PM	3202 John Salter	-220	u1½ +120
Bellator 181 - Flyweight 3 rounds - WinStar World Casino & Resort - Thackerville, Oklahoma - Spike TV
Fri 7/14	3301 Jessica Middleton	+200	o2½ -200
9:01PM	3302 Emily Ducote	-240	u2½ +170

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**JIBBBY** · 07-13-17, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Ty$

I know JIbby unless theyre top 10 theyre a can OK OK. I know my shit. Remember I've trained and still train w UFC fighters.

Relax Ty, keep doing your thang... Cans are cans...

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-13-17, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Relax Ty, keep doing your thang... Cans are cans...

Love the pic lol

**Ty$** · 07-13-17, 05:49 PM

Prolly won't bet Bellator unless it's Girtz. Maybe some Invicta on sat. Gearing up for Sunday morning 🤑

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-13-17, 06:03 PM

Hey Jibby how do you post images again? I was trying to copy and paste but I couldn't get it to work

**Shagdogy** · 07-13-17, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by turbozed

Here's Bofando talking about his call-up from the UFC.

Doesn't inspire much confidence. Looks like he's had 3 months to prepare which he says is enough because he's been keeping himself 'in shape.' Doesn't talk at all about the 2 year layoff.

You know what doesn't inspire confidence? Charlie Ward. He sucks. If you have fight pass, Bofando's last fight from 2015 is there. He has more than enough for Ward.

**Shagdogy** · 07-13-17, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

I just think the bear Jew is Crafty enough to keep Roundtree Guessing and land a TD or some strickes....at +185.....easy decision to pick a side IMO...

I was all over Pedro in Craig's last fight, but that was largely because he has super strong takedowns and would pound on Craig from top position. No way Rountree wants to go to the ground in this one. Craig's sub game is more than enough to catch Rountree. I wouldn't count on Craig consistently outstriking Rountree though. This fight is 100% about whether Craig can take it to the mat (or Rountree gets stupid and ends up on the mat). I'm not sure what I expect but I think it's definitely a dog or no bet kind of fight, especially in Scotland for Craig.

**JIBBBY** · 07-13-17, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Hey Jibby how do you post images again? I was trying to copy and paste but I couldn't get it to work

Point the mouse pointer to the picture or gif you want to copy and paste.. Then left click mouse and click "copy"... Then go to where you want to post that picture or gif like a post on SBR.. Then left click mouse and click "paste".. Picture will post immediately...

It's very simple even a caveman can do it

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-13-17, 08:11 PM

Just a moment...

http://www.sleepandhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007_12_warhol_cambell_soup.jpg

Bellator roster from Jibby's point of view

**Rich Benjamins** · 07-14-17, 02:16 AM

The Bear Jew sucks, IMO. His last fight vs Pedro, his punches and kicks were really slow, he has no head movement, got tagged on the feet with ease. He's not even good at takedowns. Vs Da Silva, he pulled guard in order to get the armbar. Several times he tried the headlock throw against Pedro, you know, the type of throw that inexperienced strawweights do that gives up your back even when it does work. When Craig was down, Pedro easily pinned his arms. OTOH, Rountree has devastating standup, and likely has improved his ground game and takedown defense as shown in his last fight. I've got a bet on Rountree.

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

I just think the bear Jew is Crafty enough to keep Roundtree Guessing and land a TD or some strickes....at +185.....easy decision to pick a side IMO....QUOTE=Ty$;27082563]I know JIbby unless theyre top 10 theyre a can OK OK. I know my shit. Remember I've trained and still train w UFC fighters.

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**Shagdogy** · 07-14-17, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by Rich Benjamins

The Bear Jew sucks, IMO. His last fight vs Pedro, his punches and kicks were really slow, he has no head movement, got tagged on the feet with ease. He's not even good at takedowns. Vs Da Silva, he pulled guard in order to get the armbar. Several times he tried the headlock throw against Pedro, you know, the type of throw that inexperienced strawweights do that gives up your back even when it does work. When Craig was down, Pedro easily pinned his arms. OTOH, Rountree has devastating standup, and likely has improved his ground game and takedown defense as shown in his last fight. I've got a bet on Rountree.

You're right about Craig's stand up and takedown game. His cardio suffers late in fights too and only makes those parts of his game worse. But he does have a dangerous sub game which makes him a live dog vs Rountree for the simple fact that Rountree quits, and when he does, he gets subbed. Yes, Rountree is more athletic and has much better standup, but his IQ is poor and he has no grit. Also, be careful saying that he has "likely improved his ground game." This has been a weakness for Rountree his whole career and people have been expecting him to fix it for a long time now and he hasn't. Don't believe it until you see it. If you must play Rountree, consider Craig by sub as a hedge, but also robbery decision is a factor in Scotland.

**Rich Benjamins** · 07-14-17, 08:07 AM

Yea, good points. Rountree certainly isn't a lock. He had good takedown defense in his last fight vs Jolly. And it seems like he certainly has made improvements in his overall game. But I'm sure Craig will show improvements too given he's coming off a loss where he looked really bad, he's likely working hard.

Originally posted by Shagdogy

You're right about Craig's stand up and takedown game. His cardio suffers late in fights too and only makes those parts of his game worse. But he does have a dangerous sub game which makes him a live dog vs Rountree for the simple fact that Rountree quits, and when he does, he gets subbed. Yes, Rountree is more athletic and has much better standup, but his IQ is poor and he has no grit. Also, be careful saying that he has "likely improved his ground game." This has been a weakness for Rountree his whole career and people have been expecting him to fix it for a long time now and he hasn't. Don't believe it until you see it. If you must play Rountree, consider Craig by sub as a hedge, but also robbery decision is a factor in Scotland.

**PaperTrail07** · 07-14-17, 11:23 AM

Cavillo's skills and aggression are 10X IMO...

Originally posted by turbozed

Was hoping to bet Calvillo here against Calderwood but don't like the price much at all. Especially with hometown judging, Calvillo may either have to dominate or finish to win since anything remotely close will go to Calderwood. I see this fight going down like Kish/Herrig. Just wish the lines were somewhere closer. Wondering where it ends up. Are Scottish fans going to do enough to move the needle at all closer to fight day? I'm guessing no so this fight is either a pass or a small bet at Calvillo -3.5 if it's reasonable.

**PaperTrail07** · 07-14-17, 11:23 AM

Craig is Crafty-Be Careful

Originally posted by Rich Benjamins

Yea, good points. Rountree certainly isn't a lock. He had good takedown defense in his last fight vs Jolly. And it seems like he certainly has made improvements in his overall game. But I'm sure Craig will show improvements too given he's coming off a loss where he looked really bad, he's likely working hard.

**Shagdogy** · 07-14-17, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

Cavillo's skills and aggression are 10X IMO...

Yeah I'm with you this girl is legit. Hugo, I know you like Ladd. Did you know Calvillo has an amateur win over her?

**PaperTrail07** · 07-14-17, 11:31 AM

I just don't think your giving Pedro enough credit...

...To be fair he was winning before the arm bar....Lets not forget pedro put down rountree with ease also...

Originally posted by Rich Benjamins

The Bear Jew sucks, IMO. His last fight vs Pedro, his punches and kicks were really slow, he has no head movement, got tagged on the feet with ease. He's not even good at takedowns. Vs Da Silva, he pulled guard in order to get the armbar. Several times he tried the headlock throw against Pedro, you know, the type of throw that inexperienced strawweights do that gives up your back even when it does work. When Craig was down, Pedro easily pinned his arms. OTOH, Rountree has devastating standup, and likely has improved his ground game and takedown defense as shown in his last fight. I've got a bet on Rountree.

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**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-14-17, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Yeah I'm with you this girl is legit. Hugo, I know you like Ladd. Did you know Calvillo has an amateur win over her?

I do. Not the most exciting fight but a clear UD for Calvillo in that Ammy bout.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 07-14-17, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

I just don't think your giving Pedro enough credit...

...To be fair he was winning before the arm bar....Lets not forget pedro put down rountree with ease also...

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Didn't Rountree knock Pedro down before getting subbed?

**PaperTrail07** · 07-14-17, 11:43 AM

Didn't Rountree knock Pedro down before getting subbed?[/QUOTE] I mean somewhat-Yes---I wouldn't say Pedro was is ANY kind of danger though.....