John Morrison 2011 MLB

[h00dini]

Guys today is my birthday any cake for me ?

happy birthday buddy.

[thelimit0310]

Email from JM this morning:
"We've been on an absolutely astonishing run on our MLB system bets
so far this season, but our latest bet on the Yankees did not win.

Do you know why the Yankees lost?

Because I had secret, inside information from a confidential source
that the Boston Red Sox would win the game, and released that info
to ALL my members of The Champ Selections!

Not only that, I also had inside info that the Cincinnati Reds
would win as well -- and boy, did they ever! Just check out the
picks that I released to members of The Champ Selections for June 7th:

http://www.thechampselections.com/p/458743.html

If you had membership to The Champ Selections, you would not have
made that [A] bet on the Yankees. Instead, you would have wagered
on the Red Sox, and you would have won the bet -- in easy-cake style!"

He pretty much admitted he gave us a losing pick and used that as leverage to get us to buy his Chump Selections...what kind of marketing is that? I'm sure we all know by this point that he is talking out his ass and his selections are terrible, but still, what an asshole!

Thanks for the plays Wallco, Hagball, much appreciated as usual!

[dantanner]

Hey Dan, I bought the DIY system the other day, are you just sticking to home dogs or doing the road dogs too, also which money management have you decided to go with.

I have bet on one home team, Pittsburgh at +148 on June 3, they won. I haven't seen any other ones come up since I started using it in May. I don't think we will get very many home teams, and even when they show up it appears that the odds drop after the first or second game will stall out most of those series anyway. Home teams have a tendency to win the first game more than road dogs, so I suspect it will still work good for them.

I think that may lead to different results for different players. If a series stalls, one could bet the third game on a different team than someone else if more than one is available. Either way, the results have been good for me so far.

I use the unit betting 1. 1.1, 1.2. I can't prove anything yet, but it looks more profitable to do it that way.

What is your opinion of the system?

[thelimit0310]

Some people here might as well worship labby as god as a few comment seem to think that any method that can pick out more than 40% pick will win money with Labby. In fact, the most important part in this is pick quality.

Basically, playing -EV on labby is like playing -EV large favorite. For example, a certain wager had 90% winning and @ -1100, probability told us that on average flat bet will lost you money. However, for a short while may be first 8 bets could easily went 8-0 and showing profit but variance will catch up eventually.Where as a +EV say 10% hit rate with 1100 odd might as well lost your money on your first 8 bets but in the long run it will show profit. This is precisely why bookmaker give more juice on long odd bet.

In the case of playing baseball over on labby line, you may be able to stay profitable more the most part but in the long run the juice will kill you. For instance, if you first 60 play went 40w - 20L and then suddenly the next 30 play went 5-25 how would you be able to keep on chasing? Since, 40 win would mean 60 units profit max but 5-25 would be a lot bigger minus.

In summary, anything that can't be profitable with flat bet won't magically become profitable with any chase system in the long run.

I'll be the first to agree that pick and system quality comes first. But to be honest none of your points will come into play when playing a system. Only an absolutely TERRIBLE chase system would lose 45 series in 90 plays. Think about it, Wallco's system is supposed to lose series much more than normal and it only averages 10-15 losses per season, and many other systems here like JM lose much less than that.

Unless your playing a system where you make practically 10 bets a day with a 50% or so winning %, only in flat betting would a record look like that. But thanks for the input!

[lawalahmed]

Wallco, Hoodini and Hagball thank you guys, i know i have cool friend..... Anyway my Girl Friend just bring the cake but i can't give you guys i'm sorry....

[thelimit0310]

Wilba can you hit me up on skype or send me a PM on here about what systems you follow? I know your a profitable sports bettor...

JM NBA just B and C for 3 units?
JM MLB B and C for 3 units?
JM NHL v1 for how many units on C?

Wallco just C and D using labby?
Crusher after he won 4 straight or lost 4 straight and reverse it with labby method.

I know we discussed some other ones in the past, but these are the main ones im interested in.

Key focus is Wallco,Crusher MLB, JM MLB. Since its only MLB season right now.

Just PM me please your betting strategy please?
Im thinking 1.5 / 1.5 as a labby line.. Each # indicating # of units.

Thanks JMD

I have to agree with Lawal, JMD. In hindsight you should have backtested further or ran this season on paper before throwing real money into it. Crusher isn't very good from what I've seen so I'd stay away from him too. It's great that your trying new ideas but don't be so hasty to throw real money in them as you have been with many of your systems (as far back as your blackjack system!). Just relax, slow down and try to only play Wallco and JM MLB. If you want to make more money, then increase your unit size by a few bucks, in the end it will pay out. Winning 100 games at $30 is more profitable than winning 200 games at $10! It's not how many systems you run at once but how much money is in play utilizing each.

Please keep in mind I mean no disrespect, if it weren't for you and Wilba back in JM NBA I would not have had a profitable season so I have a lot of respect for the both of you, I only say this in an attempt to maybe help you from losing more money. Sometimes it's better to take it easy!

[GoGooners]

happy birthday lawalahmed, my fellow gunner.

[Wallco99]

Wallco, Hoodini and Hagball thank you guys, i know i have cool friend..... Anyway my Girl Friend just bring the cake but i can't give you guys i'm sorry....

No, but you can give us your "wish" when you blow out the candles! Two bigs wins is all we want. Have an enjoyable b-day.

[mikey360]

I have bet on one home team, Pittsburgh at +148 on June 3, they won. I haven't seen any other ones come up since I started using it in May. I don't think we will get very many home teams, and even when they show up it appears that the odds drop after the first or second game will stall out most of those series anyway. Home teams have a tendency to win the first game more than road dogs, so I suspect it will still work good for them.

I think that may lead to different results for different players. If a series stalls, one could bet the third game on a different team than someone else if more than one is available. Either way, the results have been good for me so far.

I use the unit betting 1. 1.1, 1.2. I can't prove anything yet, but it looks more profitable to do it that way.

What is your opinion of the system?

It was pretty cheap so I didn't mind paying for it and there is some nice info included, though it doesn't sound like the creator is very confident in the road dog plays, I have been keeping an eye out for home dogs but like you say they are not very frequent, but if the home dogs do provide some profit over the season it is worth doing.

I think that money management you chose is the best, lower risk involved.

We'll see how this pans out.

[Just_Wynn_Baby]

Wallco, Hoodini and Hagball thank you guys, i know i have cool friend..... Anyway my Girl Friend just bring the cake but i can't give you guys i'm sorry....

Now you can have your cake and eat it too!

[c-fut]

No, but you can give us your "wish" when you blow out the candles! Two bigs wins is all we want. Have an enjoyable b-day.

He can't tell us his wish or it won't come true but winning money is always a great gift. Happy Birthday lawalahmed!!

[J.M. Disciple]

I have to agree with Lawal, JMD. In hindsight you should have backtested further or ran this season on paper before throwing real money into it. Crusher isn't very good from what I've seen so I'd stay away from him too. It's great that your trying new ideas but don't be so hasty to throw real money in them as you have been with many of your systems (as far back as your blackjack system!). Just relax, slow down and try to only play Wallco and JM MLB. If you want to make more money, then increase your unit size by a few bucks, in the end it will pay out. Winning 100 games at $30 is more profitable than winning 200 games at $10! It's not how many systems you run at once but how much money is in play utilizing each.

Please keep in mind I mean no disrespect, if it weren't for you and Wilba back in JM NBA I would not have had a profitable season so I have a lot of respect for the both of you, I only say this in an attempt to maybe help you from losing more money. Sometimes it's better to take it easy!

Even though I'm a poker player I often get inpatient and over look a lot of details with all the systems i create. I get excited very easy I guess and just jump right into a system with out knowing all the details of it first. This has cost me money plenty of times now. I definitely need to learn more about different systems and do full back test on them, before throwing real money on the line. Sure I might miss out on a few winning plays, but often times with new systems, back test could save me a lot of money, since most of them fail.

Anyways, I have a good feeling Crusher is going to hit a good run, as well as JM, and my system. I'm going to finish clearing all my lines, and hopefully I get back to where my starting bankroll was, then im probably going to start over again with a smaller unit size and be very selective with the systems i Follow. I have a lot of respect for Wilba, so i will probably be betting the systems the same way he does.

Probably just Labby B&C bets for JM. C and D for Wallco. It would be very little plays, but I gotta be patient until my bankroll gets bigger.

Thanks for all the help and advice.

Hopefully I don't go busto, cause I really enjoy sports betting. I love making money, but sports betting has almost become an addiction now. I really want to prove I can beat it, then eventually once i have enough data built up and good amount of money in the bank to show people how much I have won off sports betting, i will be able to start a hedge fund, similar to ... Dang i forgot his name, but the aussie guy.

Thanks
JMD

[BetaB]

I'll be the first to agree that pick and system quality comes first. But to be honest none of your points will come into play when playing a system. Only an absolutely TERRIBLE chase system would lose 45 series in 90 plays. Think about it, Wallco's system is supposed to lose series much more than normal and it only averages 10-15 losses per season, and many other systems here like JM lose much less than that.

Unless your playing a system where you make practically 10 bets a day with a 50% or so winning %, only in flat betting would a record look like that. But thanks for the input!

Look like we are on a different page here. It's kinda hard for me to explain what i think in text form. To sum it up, i'm merely warn people to be careful blindly just labby any 50-50 game. Having said that I have no problem placing 40% bet as long as the odd is worth it(+EV). In fact i played quite a lot of dog as you can see in this thread http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-h...og-2011-a.html. Very good start here but i do not expect it to last the entire season.

[J.M. Disciple]

I know some others in this thread also play poker, idk if your american or not or what site you play on but i since another "black friday" around the corner for us poker players.

I am currently playing on lockpoker.com and a friend of mine went to go make an account on there, but it says "we are currently not accepting US citizens." Before it was just Pokerstars and full tilt that got banned. THen people moved over to the merge network. Some of these sites are shady and money is not safe in them. If Americans get banned on these sites, it says on their website, they have the right to keep the money in your account.

I would advocate cashing out now. If you do not believe me, then I suggest going to create an account and see if it lets you. If your not american, dont worry about it, but if you are.... this is your warning..

I emailed them about it, but i did not get a response back

[J.M. Disciple]

Also wanted to ask what you all thought of a poker bankroll management where i use buy ins. For those of you who are familiar with poker, its similar to sports betting in terms of bankroll management.

Usually i have between 50 - 100 buy ins for whatever poker game im playing.

New strategy im using however is 4 buy ins bankroll. After every heads up match i divide my bankroll by 4 and that is the most i can risk on any game.

so if i had $100 bankroll I would only play a maximum of a $25 game. If i lost I would then i have a $75 dollar bankroll and most i could play would be $18.75.

THen I would flucuate up and down depending on if i won or lost. I am playing heads up matches and i estimate i win between 55-60% of my games.

Like my other systems... I just jumped right into it lol. It seems to be working so far, but i dont really have a way of back testing it.

[IceBet]

[quote=hagball52;10338511]

can maybe, just maybe.............hagball 52 and wallco 99 be one of the same?
both no picture
both two digits at the end of their names
both posts are very similar
both compliment each other constantly


We could be Siamese twins. Who knows. we'll never tell.By the way thanks for sending the grim reaper into Cleveland to take care of business. I really needed that win.

Nope just split personality!

IceBet

[DDT]

Email from JM this morning:
"We've been on an absolutely astonishing run on our MLB system bets
so far this season, but our latest bet on the Yankees did not win.

Do you know why the Yankees lost?

Because I had secret, inside information from a confidential source
that the Boston Red Sox would win the game, and released that info
to ALL my members of The Champ Selections!

Not only that, I also had inside info that the Cincinnati Reds
would win as well -- and boy, did they ever! Just check out the
picks that I released to members of The Champ Selections for June 7th:

http://www.thechampselections.com/p/458743.html

If you had membership to The Champ Selections, you would not have
made that [A] bet on the Yankees. Instead, you would have wagered
on the Red Sox, and you would have won the bet -- in easy-cake style!"

He pretty much admitted he gave us a losing pick and used that as leverage to get us to buy his Chump Selections...what kind of marketing is that? I'm sure we all know by this point that he is talking out his ass and his selections are terrible, but still, what an asshole!

Thanks for the plays Wallco, Hagball, much appreciated as usual!

So where did we come up with the Yankees as the A bet? Did he release the Yankees as the play and then change it?

[pagodo]

So where did we come up with the Yankees as the A bet? Did he release the Yankees as the play and then change it?

The [A] bet on the Yankees was a system bet and the bet on the Red Sox was a stand-alone pick from his "champselections" program. It's so weird that he's trying to get people to join this way. Really weird.

[dantanner]

It was pretty cheap so I didn't mind paying for it and there is some nice info included, though it doesn't sound like the creator is very confident in the road dog plays, I have been keeping an eye out for home dogs but like you say they are not very frequent, but if the home dogs do provide some profit over the season it is worth doing.

I think that money management you chose is the best, lower risk involved.

We'll see how this pans out.

i kinda felt the same way, but the road dogs have done OK so far. There are a lot of them at +150, not as many at +170 like he recommends.

[dantanner]

Originally Posted by thelimit0310
Email from JM this morning:
"We've been on an absolutely astonishing run on our MLB system bets
so far this season, but our latest bet on the Yankees did not win.

Do you know why the Yankees lost?

Because I had secret, inside information from a confidential source
that the Boston Red Sox would win the game, and released that info
to ALL my members of The Champ Selections!

Not only that, I also had inside info that the Cincinnati Reds
would win as well -- and boy, did they ever! Just check out the
picks that I released to members of The Champ Selections for June 7th:

http://www.thechampselections.com/p/458743.html

If you had membership to The Champ Selections, you would not have
made that [A] bet on the Yankees. Instead, you would have wagered
on the Red Sox, and you would have won the bet -- in easy-cake style!"

He pretty much admitted he gave us a losing pick and used that as leverage to get us to buy his Chump Selections...what kind of marketing is that? I'm sure we all know by this point that he is talking out his ass and his selections are terrible, but still, what an asshole!

Thanks for the plays Wallco, Hagball, much appreciated as usual!

I read this email a little while ago but could not answer the original post because I was laughing so hard at the stupidity involved in sending it out.

"secret inside information" Yeah right.

I have never seen an email from a vendor who promised to stop screwing you and giving you losing picks he knew would lose if you signed up to his more expensive service.

The funniest thing though, is that a lot of people will fall for it. We might sit here and talk about how stupid it is, meanwhile some little Asian girl is laughing to the bank while we struggle to turn a profit.

Now that I have quit laughing, I am starting to get sick about it.

[h00dini]

Email from JM this morning:
"We've been on an absolutely astonishing run on our MLB system bets
so far this season, but our latest bet on the Yankees did not win.

Do you know why the Yankees lost?

Because I had secret, inside information from a confidential source
that the Boston Red Sox would win the game, and released that info
to ALL my members of The Champ Selections!

Not only that, I also had inside info that the Cincinnati Reds
would win as well -- and boy, did they ever! Just check out the
picks that I released to members of The Champ Selections for June 7th:

http://www.thechampselections.com/p/458743.html

If you had membership to The Champ Selections, you would not have
made that [A] bet on the Yankees. Instead, you would have wagered
on the Red Sox, and you would have won the bet -- in easy-cake style!"

He pretty much admitted he gave us a losing pick and used that as leverage to get us to buy his Chump Selections...what kind of marketing is that? I'm sure we all know by this point that he is talking out his ass and his selections are terrible, but still, what an asshole!

Thanks for the plays Wallco, Hagball, much appreciated as usual!

the guy is a goof!

[alexknyc]

the guy is a goof!

I think you misspelled douchebag.

[hagball52]

The [A] bet on the Yankees was a system bet and the bet on the Red Sox was a stand-alone pick from his "champselections" program. It's so weird that he's trying to get people to join this way. Really weird.

If you don't have a huge bankroll you will get your ass handed to you in no time. It happened to me the first year I had the "champselections". Completely lost my bankroll between his selections and a lost (C) bet in the NBA at the same time.
This past NBA season I tracked it from day one of his picks all the way to the end of April. That's when he suspended his selections or took me off the list cause I didn't re-up and pay him. His record was 71-84-5 and he started giving out MLB picks and they were 9-17 at the time he stopped. He is very streaky with his selections and can go on 2 week long losing streaks. This guy defines the word "SCAM".

[hagball52]

I read this email a little while ago but could not answer the original post because I was laughing so hard at the stupidity involved in sending it out.

"secret inside information" Yeah right.

I have never seen an email from a vendor who promised to stop screwing you and giving you losing picks he knew would lose if you signed up to his more expensive service.

The funniest thing though, is that a lot of people will fall for it. We might sit here and talk about how stupid it is, meanwhile some little Asian girl is laughing to the bank while we struggle to turn a profit.

Now that I have quit laughing, I am starting to get sick about it.

"secret inside information" The Cubs SUCK. Cincy might win.

[thelimit0310]

If you don't have a huge bankroll you will get your ass handed to you in no time. It happened to me the first year I had the "champselections". Completely lost my bankroll between his selections and a lost (C) bet in the NBA at the same time.
This past NBA season I tracked it from day one of his picks all the way to the end of April. That's when he suspended his selections or took me off the list cause I didn't re-up and pay him. His record was 71-84-5 and he started giving out MLB picks and they were 9-17 at the time he stopped. He is very streaky with his selections and can go on 2 week long losing streaks. This guy defines the word "SCAM".

I can practically promise you that he just looks at the days games and flips a coin, then charges you $2,000 to see whether it was heads or tails. Despicable.

[h00dini]

Also wanted to ask what you all thought of a poker bankroll management where i use buy ins. For those of you who are familiar with poker, its similar to sports betting in terms of bankroll management.

Usually i have between 50 - 100 buy ins for whatever poker game im playing.

New strategy im using however is 4 buy ins bankroll. After every heads up match i divide my bankroll by 4 and that is the most i can risk on any game.

so if i had $100 bankroll I would only play a maximum of a $25 game. If i lost I would then i have a $75 dollar bankroll and most i could play would be $18.75.

THen I would flucuate up and down depending on if i won or lost. I am playing heads up matches and i estimate i win between 55-60% of my games.

Like my other systems... I just jumped right into it lol. It seems to be working so far, but i dont really have a way of back testing it.

seriously speaking........have you ever thought of writing a book?

[alexknyc]

And I assume it is the same for NFL...wait for B and C bets....thanks for all the help

I'm sure there are multiple versions for the NFL but the one I have isn't a chase-- home dogs getting 10 or more against a team playing on a different surface than their home stadium. I'd be shocked if there were 5 bets all year.

[pagodo]

If you don't have a huge bankroll you will get your ass handed to you in no time. It happened to me the first year I had the "champselections". Completely lost my bankroll between his selections and a lost (C) bet in the NBA at the same time.
This past NBA season I tracked it from day one of his picks all the way to the end of April. That's when he suspended his selections or took me off the list cause I didn't re-up and pay him. His record was 71-84-5 and he started giving out MLB picks and they were 9-17 at the time he stopped. He is very streaky with his selections and can go on 2 week long losing streaks. This guy defines the word "SCAM".

What I really don't get about this whole "champselections" thing is the contrast between how he's hyping them and the reality of the picks themselves. This record is simply unbelievable for a marketing campaign such as his. It's ridiculous to the point of insanity. I always had a laugh about all those messages from JM (or his team or whomever's doing this), but this is just so weird. I can't believe that these days, in the 'online age', people would actually fall for something like this.

Thanks for the info, hagball. Sorry to hear you've lost some money on that. I'm honestly shocked at this record. It makes the 'sickening fortune' joke so much funnier.

[Wallco99]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$ - Plays for 6/8/11
2011 System to date: 85-6
System profit/loss: +15.53 units (finished series)
Since my first post: -4.74 units (70-6) (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-2.00 units)


St. Louis @ Houston (M/L) (B) (2 units) *Official*(8:05 pm EDT)
Boston (M/L) @ N.Y. Yankees (B) *Official* (7:05 pm EDT)

We are playing the Houston bet for 2 units, to make up for unit not gained by St. Louis (M/L) win. If Houston loses, then the (C) bet for this series will be for 4 units, 8 if it goes to (D). Basically we are increasing each bet by 2 units instead of 1 for this series. Result: win 2+ units at same total risk amount.


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

[Wallco99]

[QUOTE=IceBet;10340137]

Nope just split personality!

IceBet

You gotta have a little Jekyl with the Hyde, everyone can't be the good cop!

[Wallco99]

I read this email a little while ago but could not answer the original post because I was laughing so hard at the stupidity involved in sending it out.

"secret inside information" Yeah right.

I have never seen an email from a vendor who promised to stop screwing you and giving you losing picks he knew would lose if you signed up to his more expensive service.

The funniest thing though, is that a lot of people will fall for it. We might sit here and talk about how stupid it is, meanwhile some little Asian girl is laughing to the bank while we struggle to turn a profit.

Now that I have quit laughing, I am starting to get sick about it.

It's no different than him selling you a lifetime service of picks, then when the season arrives, tell you that you have only 10 minutes to get your bet in. However, if you give me even more money, I will send you the picks sooner than 10 minutes before the games starts, even though I have known these picks for weeks. Classic.

[dantanner]

If you don't have a huge bankroll you will get your ass handed to you in no time. It happened to me the first year I had the "champselections". Completely lost my bankroll between his selections and a lost (C) bet in the NBA at the same time.
This past NBA season I tracked it from day one of his picks all the way to the end of April. That's when he suspended his selections or took me off the list cause I didn't re-up and pay him. His record was 71-84-5 and he started giving out MLB picks and they were 9-17 at the time he stopped. He is very streaky with his selections and can go on 2 week long losing streaks. This guy defines the word "SCAM".

What was that I heard? A little Asian girl flipping a coin?

[manutd19]

Confusion guys. What are you playing tonight? Hagball JM play(yankees) or wallco's play(boston)? It was easy yesterday because they both went for the Yankees but now opposite

[pagodo]

Confusion guys. What are you playing tonight? Hagball JM play(yankees) or wallco's play(boston)? It was easy yesterday because they both went for the Yankees but now opposite

Both!

Thanks for the plays, Wallco. B-day is looming upon us

[1gamer]

If the guy is such a scam, why are we on a thread named after JM? JM is a internet marketer first, a Sports Handicapper second, and he checks his ethics at the door... pure and simple. As a wise man once told me: Don't hate the player hate the game baby!

Oh also, tell that little asian girl 1Gamer says hi.