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  • thelimit0310
    SBR MVP
    • 01-24-11
    • 1233

    #5006
    Originally posted by jolmscheid
    Hey limit...would you happen to have the units you have won the past few seasons with Morrison's systems? I just want to gauge if I should do a 2-line or 3-line labby.....and I assume your lines are 1-2%? Thanks!
    Last seasons stats:

    JM's NBA system (injury filter and ML filter are not applied):

    V1record so far (finished series): 57-3
    (A): 30-30
    (B): 22-8
    (C): 5-3
    Lost series:
    PHO 11/17-20
    DET 12/07-10
    UTA 01/17-21

    V2 record so far (finished series): 30-1
    (A): 17-14
    (B): 5-9
    (C): 8-1
    Lost series:
    MIN 10/30-11/03

    V3 record so far (finished series): 67-3
    (A): 41-28-1 (W-L-P)
    (B): 22-7-1 (W-L-P)
    (C): 5-2-1 (W-L-P)
    Lost series:
    CLE 12/04-07
    TOR 01/29-02/02 (B bet and C bet were pushes according to covers.com)
    GS 03/18-21

    My lines are 2.5% of roll
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    • J.M. Disciple
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 11-16-10
      • 5154

      #5007
      Originally posted by thelimit0310
      As Wallco already said, he likes a good record over maximum profit. When you are labbying you can take the extra losses and spare the -170+ juice. It's a much better method in my opinion.
      Yes I completely agree with this statement. I did not use Labby with JM NBA, but I def will be using labby for this next season.

      That way all losses are recovered.... Basically you will have 0 losses using labby....

      COrrect?
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      • thelimit0310
        SBR MVP
        • 01-24-11
        • 1233

        #5008
        Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
        Yes I completely agree with this statement. I did not use Labby with JM NBA, but I def will be using labby for this next season.

        That way all losses are recovered.... Basically you will have 0 losses using labby....

        COrrect?
        Well of course, think about it.

        If you start with 5-5-5-5 and lose your bet, your lines are 5-5-5-5-10, if you divide through like I would your lines would be 7.5-7.5-7.5-7.5, when that line clears your get a total of $30. When you add up 5-5-5-5-10, it equals 30 as well, the $10 you lost from the lost bet, and the initial $20.
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        • thelimit0310
          SBR MVP
          • 01-24-11
          • 1233

          #5009
          Both Wallco's and JM's picks cash. Great job Wallco and thanks for the pick Hagball!
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          • jolmscheid
            Restricted User
            • 02-20-10
            • 3256

            #5010
            Thanks limit...so do you still bet the two outside numbers when you have multiple plays on one line? Thanks so much for the help
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            • J.M. Disciple
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 11-16-10
              • 5154

              #5011
              Freaking losses are starting to hit me really hard right now... 3 out of 4 division leaders lost, Crusher has now lost 6 straight, Hoodini system loses B bet.

              Going to take some strong efforts to recover all these losses....
              Since beginning of this month using labby I am down 42 units!!!!
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              • J.M. Disciple
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-16-10
                • 5154

                #5012
                im actually up following Wallco since i started this month. All the other systems are failing misserably right now including crusher.
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                • thelimit0310
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-24-11
                  • 1233

                  #5013
                  Originally posted by jolmscheid
                  Thanks limit...so do you still bet the two outside numbers when you have multiple plays on one line? Thanks so much for the help
                  Your just packed with questions aren't you? Hahah, but to answer you question yes you add together the 2 outside numbers. Another good reason to divide your losses through your lines is because that way you assign equal value to all your bets, no bets are "heavier" then others.
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                  • jolmscheid
                    Restricted User
                    • 02-20-10
                    • 3256

                    #5014
                    Gotcha...thanks a ton...
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                    • G's pks
                      Restricted User
                      • 01-01-09
                      • 22251

                      #5015
                      Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
                      Freaking losses are starting to hit me really hard right now... 3 out of 4 division leaders lost, Crusher has now lost 6 straight, Hoodini system loses B bet.

                      Going to take some strong efforts to recover all these losses....
                      Since beginning of this month using labby I am down 42 units!!!!
                      Damn that is a lot since the beginning of the month!

                      Is that just following baseball crusher?
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                      • Wallco99
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 01-01-11
                        • 7261

                        #5016
                        Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
                        Freaking losses are starting to hit me really hard right now... 3 out of 4 division leaders lost, Crusher has now lost 6 straight, Hoodini system loses B bet.

                        Going to take some strong efforts to recover all these losses....
                        Since beginning of this month using labby I am down 42 units!!!!
                        Sounds like you are playing too many systems, maybe cut a few out.
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                        • Wallco99
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 01-01-11
                          • 7261

                          #5017
                          Originally posted by jolmscheid
                          Thanks limit for the update...so a 2-3 line labby for all of JM's systems should work...and you play ALL A, B, and C bets?



                          Good info here wallco...too bad no reliable books allow buying 3 points for -170 anymore...
                          Mine does
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                          • J.M. Disciple
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 11-16-10
                            • 5154

                            #5018
                            I would like to apologize for leading people in the wrong direction with my labby method. As Stated by Wallco, it wasn't really back tested, at least not very far. With Further back testing and experimenting done with worse case scenarios friend of mine was actually able to improve my labby system tremendously.... What would of ended in utter failure eventually, was saved by "icebet."

                            He tested several variations of the labby to show which one shows more profit and which ones actually FAIL.

                            the way i have been doing my labby, with averaging out all the #s together is actually going to fail eventually because the #s will just keep getting bigger and bigger unless you have a high win% maybe like 70 or 80%.


                            Basically you can fix this just by averaging the six lines individually. Instead of averaging out the total sum of all the #s. Just add up each individual line.

                            He will be posting a spread sheet with this data soon a long with many other variations of the labby.

                            So Here are my new and hopefully final rules to this system:
                            1) Bankroll management: worse case scenario you actually need 255 units in your bankroll.
                            2) Bet ML division leaders using labby system

                            LABBY RULES
                            1) START WITH 1 unit per line divided into 2 #s. So if you have a $5 unit size start with
                            2.5 / 2.5

                            2) average out the lines individually. There are 6 division leaders for MLB, so you need six different labby lines.

                            I think thats basically it.... Ill post my plays with labby lines every day. as i have been, but the one change to it is the fact that im going to be averaging the lines out individually from here on out...


                            MAKE SURE YOU ALL GIVE ICE BET POINTS WHEN HE POST HIS SPREAD SHEET. Atleast those of you who are doing labby method.

                            Cheers
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                            • J.M. Disciple
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-16-10
                              • 5154

                              #5019
                              Originally posted by G's pks
                              Damn that is a lot since the beginning of the month!

                              Is that just following baseball crusher?
                              Yes Crusher!!!!!!! got crushed... Thats where almost all my loss came from.

                              Also the fact that I wasn't managing my labby correctly... starting with 1# on the line instead of 2 #s increased my bet size a ton.

                              But problem has been fixed and bets will be recovered, unless he loses back to back series.

                              As long as he keeps winning roughly 50% my losses will be recovered.
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                              • J.M. Disciple
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-16-10
                                • 5154

                                #5020
                                Originally posted by Wallco99
                                Sounds like you are playing too many systems, maybe cut a few out.

                                Ya talking it all over with a friend.... Im going to finish clearing my lines with JM system (making up the KC loss)

                                finish clearing my lines with Crusher (he is pissing me off)

                                THen finish clearing my lines with $$$ printing system.

                                Your lines are already cleared and im actually up money with your system because i didn't take all the losses that other people took.

                                Once i have all my system losses cleared and im back to the bankroll i started with, then ill be switching books and down grading my unit size based on worse case scenarios.

                                Ill be dropping hoodini system most likely as well only because it over laps with my division leader system...

                                Trial and error as always with sports betting... Just keep thinking positive because eventually a system and a labby method will be consistent and i can just sit back 30minutes a day and collect money...

                                PATIENCE is virtue.

                                Thanks for all the help to everyone here.. criticism doesn't really bother me... I would actually like constructive criticism so i could improve my systems instead of people getting the joy of just bashing others with no positive feed back... Never really understood that. I guess it makes them feel better... THey have low self esteem issues cause they cant do it themselfs.

                                I noticed a changed in you wallco though... You started to give into their criticism a bit... Just brush it off and dont even respond to it really. There will always be haters out there.. Just keep printing money.
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                                • thelimit0310
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-24-11
                                  • 1233

                                  #5021
                                  Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
                                  Freaking losses are starting to hit me really hard right now... 3 out of 4 division leaders lost, Crusher has now lost 6 straight, Hoodini system loses B bet.

                                  Going to take some strong efforts to recover all these losses....
                                  Since beginning of this month using labby I am down 42 units!!!!
                                  I agree with Wallco, you should probably cut out a system or two. Just play 1 or 2 systems with a higher unit size than playing 4 or 5 with a low unit size, in the end your throwing down the same amount of money. Sometimes, less is more!
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                                  • h00dini
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 09-17-09
                                    • 659

                                    #5022
                                    *******HOODINI SYSTEM*******

                                    V1 record to date: 11-0
                                    V2 record to date: 1-0 system start date June 6, 2011.

                                    v1.
                                    06/07. Cleveland (C)

                                    V2.
                                    06/07 minny to lose (C)

                                    version 1 we play for the team (first place teams in each division)
                                    version 2 we play against the team (last place team in each division)

                                    Estimated plays per season : 150
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                                    • h00dini
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 09-17-09
                                      • 659

                                      #5023
                                      San Diego (A) winner
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                                      • oklahoma
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 11-22-10
                                        • 602

                                        #5024
                                        despite cleveland shitting the bed, you look to have a good simple system hoodini.
                                        great hit on detroit wallco and JM continues to be cash this season.
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                                        • J.M. Disciple
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 11-16-10
                                          • 5154

                                          #5025
                                          Division Leaders ML
                                          run 6 Labby lines
                                          averaging out the lines individually.
                                          AL west: Texas
                                          AL east: NYY
                                          AL Cent: Cle
                                          NL CENT STL
                                          NL west: SF
                                          NL east: Phi
                                          $5 UNIT SIZE


                                          $$$ PRINTING SYSTEM

                                          Date TEAM RISK TO WIN
                                          (6/7) NYY (+1.5) vs BOS ($37.17 to win $19.06)
                                          (6/7) CLE (ML) vs MIN ( $9.21 to win $6.58)
                                          (6/7) TEX (ML)vs DET ($9.54 to win $6.58)
                                          (6/7) PHI(ML) vs LAA ($9.50 to win $5)
                                          (6/7) STL (ML)vs HOU ($22.63 to win $16.76)
                                          (6/7) SF (ML)vs WAS ($30.02 to win $20.70)

                                          total: $118.07 to win $74.68




                                          Lines for 6/6 (after adding the losses)
                                          6.57 win *(replaced with 2.5 / 2.5)
                                          6.57 / 10.18
                                          6.57 / 6.57 / 6.57 / 21.68
                                          6.57 / 12.48
                                          6.57 (editing this line to 3.29 / 3.29)
                                          6.57(editing this line to 3.29 / 3.29)
                                          *edited because I made a mistake with starting with 1# instead of 2#s in the past.


                                          New lines for 6/7
                                          2.5 / 2.5
                                          8.38 / 8.38
                                          10.35 / 10.35 / 10.35 / 10.35
                                          9.53 / 9.53
                                          3.29 / 3.29
                                          3.29 / 3.29



                                          *you are betting to win 1st and last # on each line.
                                          Start Date: 6/4/11
                                          Record : 6-6
                                          Profit: -$35.34
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                                          • schenker88
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 01-13-10
                                            • 1877

                                            #5026
                                            Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
                                            Division Leaders ML
                                            run 6 Labby lines
                                            averaging out the lines individually.
                                            AL west: Texas
                                            AL east: NYY
                                            AL Cent: Cle
                                            NL CENT STL
                                            NL west: SF
                                            NL east: Phi
                                            $5 UNIT SIZE


                                            $$$ PRINTING SYSTEM

                                            Date TEAM RISK TO WIN
                                            (6/7) NYY (+1.5) vs BOS ($37.17 to win $19.06)
                                            (6/7) CLE (ML) vs MIN ( $9.21 to win $6.58)
                                            (6/7) TEX (ML)vs DET ($9.54 to win $6.58)
                                            (6/7) PHI(ML) vs LAA ($9.50 to win $5)
                                            (6/7) STL (ML)vs HOU ($22.63 to win $16.76)
                                            (6/7) SF (ML)vs WAS ($30.02 to win $20.70)

                                            total: $118.07 to win $74.68




                                            Lines for 6/6 (after adding the losses)
                                            6.57 win *(replaced with 2.5 / 2.5)
                                            6.57 / 10.18
                                            6.57 / 6.57 / 6.57 / 21.68
                                            6.57 / 12.48
                                            6.57 (editing this line to 3.29 / 3.29)
                                            6.57(editing this line to 3.29 / 3.29)
                                            *edited because I made a mistake with starting with 1# instead of 2#s in the past.


                                            New lines for 6/7
                                            2.5 / 2.5
                                            8.38 / 8.38
                                            10.35 / 10.35 / 10.35 / 10.35
                                            9.53 / 9.53
                                            3.29 / 3.29
                                            3.29 / 3.29



                                            *you are betting to win 1st and last # on each line.
                                            Start Date: 6/4/11
                                            Record : 6-6
                                            Profit: -$35.34
                                            i think this high juice system will kill u on the long run... betting on high juices devastates ur bankroll fast if any losing run occurs
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                                            • chinoloco212
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-24-11
                                              • 1095

                                              #5027
                                              keep up the good work walco!
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                                              • xgame
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 07-21-10
                                                • 675

                                                #5028
                                                Originally posted by h00dini
                                                *******HOODINI SYSTEM******* V1 record to date: 11-0 V2 record to date: 1-0 system start date June 6, 2011. v1. 06/07. Cleveland (C) V2. 06/07 minny to lose (C) version 1 we play for the team (first place teams in each division) version 2 we play against the team (last place team in each division) Estimated plays per season : 150
                                                is that 150 plays v1 and v2? any lose on v2 record?
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                                                • Wilba
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 10-29-10
                                                  • 702

                                                  #5029
                                                  Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
                                                  Everyone who is posting JM NBA about not buying points based on last season is wrong!!!

                                                  WILBA has tested this and proven the results. Not buying points was an anomaly from this season. If you test it vs previous seasons it will lose you money.

                                                  John Morrison, didn't throw in "oh you should buy 3pts" out of thin air... there is a reason for that.

                                                  Only filter he threw in which is complete BS was the injury filter.
                                                  Hey JM - just to clarify - what you are saying is absolutely correct but only if you are playing the system as a 3 game chase. Noone can compare a 3 game chase to running "a labby" as there are infinite variations on how to run a labby, and depending on how you run it every person would get different results for every season. Unlike chasing, where you can say definitively that playing it a certain way is better/more profitable than another. So yes, not buying 3 points on a 3 game chase with JM NBA definitely costs you considerable money. This does not necessarily extend to labby's (though by running a labby, if you treat each bet the same you are missing out on the power of C bets)

                                                  Also, edh1011 is completely wrong about A/B being better than B/C - no need to explain it if he wants to see why he can sift through the NBA thread, or just look at the A/B/C results posted a little further up on this page - A bets are by far the worst (you lose money on them when playing system as prescribed - (last year no exception) and C's by far the most profitable (again, last year no exception).

                                                  Personally I apply the same method for MLB system - I don't play A bets. Only backtested 3 years but over that period A bets lost money, this was enough evidence for me. Plus, I consider any system where you have to outlay 15+ units to win 1 as not worth playing - way too low risk/reward ratio for me
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                                                  • Wilba
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 10-29-10
                                                    • 702

                                                    #5030
                                                    JM - I know that you may not want to take my word for this (and I don't blame you) but I guarantee you that if you do what you are showing in your $$ printing system above that you will lose badly at some point. You know I am not the type to say BS for no reason, just trying to help you as I have tried what you are trying before and at some point it will fail and wipe out your whole roll. Might not even happen in an entire year, but at some point it will, and when it does the labby lines will become unmanageable to the point where your roll can not cover the bets. Same with labbying an under, or an over, or a favorite - anything like that it is only a matter of time before a long string of losses will destroy your whole roll.

                                                    BOL if you continue with it, but from personal experience (from my less experienced betting days!) it is definitely a bad idea
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                                                    • Wilba
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 10-29-10
                                                      • 702

                                                      #5031
                                                      sorry for the triple post guys -

                                                      HOODINI - do you have any evidence that your *******HOODINI SYSTEM******* works? I do not have any evidence that it won't work, so don't get me wrong as I am just asking, BUT my gut feeling says that there is no way that the system you are stating could be profitable - the way I see it, it is pure luck whether a bad team wins 6 in row or a good team loses 6 in row based on playing them blindly with no reason other than they are playing well/badly for the last 3 games. My reasoning for this is that baseball is a VERY streaky sport, more than any other actually. Good teams lose 6 straight quite regularly, similarly bad teams win 6 straight quite regularly.

                                                      Would love to know if you have any backtesting to back up your reasoning for posting these plays.

                                                      Thanks in advance
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                                                      • J.M. Disciple
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 11-16-10
                                                        • 5154

                                                        #5032
                                                        Originally posted by xgame
                                                        is that 150 plays v1 and v2? any lose on v2 record?
                                                        It would have to be both combined.. were a 3rd of the way into the season and only have 11 plays so far?

                                                        Atleast for v1... have to assume most of the plays come from v2.

                                                        I would def back test this at least 1 year before trying it.
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                                                        • J.M. Disciple
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 11-16-10
                                                          • 5154

                                                          #5033
                                                          Originally posted by schenker88
                                                          i think this high juice system will kill u on the long run... betting on high juices devastates ur bankroll fast if any losing run occurs
                                                          Please do not knock the system unless you have back tested it or tried it yourself.

                                                          I am well aware of the high juice. I'm the one placing the bets....

                                                          I have all my sites book marked for back testing when I get more time on my hands.
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                                                          • J.M. Disciple
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 11-16-10
                                                            • 5154

                                                            #5034
                                                            thelimit0310 Labby system
                                                            5 5 5 5 Lose
                                                            7.5 – 7.5 – 7.5 – 7.5 Lose
                                                            11.25 – 11.25 – 11.25 – 11.25 Lose
                                                            13.50– 13.50 – 13.50 – 13.50

                                                            J.M. Disciple Labby system
                                                            5 5 Lose
                                                            6.67 – 6.67 – 6.67 lose
                                                            8.34 – 8.34 – 8.34 – 8.34 Lose
                                                            10 – 10 – 10 – 10 – 10

                                                            My way has less “variance” or smaller bets, but will take a extra game to clear the lines.
                                                            Its up to you all to decide which way you want to do the labby.
                                                            Smaller your bankroll is the less variance you want. The bigger Bankroll you have the more riskier you can get.
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                                                            • BigOrangeBrother
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 05-10-10
                                                              • 1538

                                                              #5035
                                                              Keep up the good work Walco!!

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                                                              • J.M. Disciple
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 11-16-10
                                                                • 5154

                                                                #5036
                                                                So i was doing a test on a "3 strike Labby system."

                                                                i was playing baccarat for play money Thankfully... Any ways here are the results.

                                                                A lot of people think you can beat online casinos with the labby system, but i assure you that it is not possible. Online casinos are not dumb and they know all about the labby system.

                                                                the traditional labby system requires only a 34% win rate and probably a 200 unit bankroll to be safe for sports betting.

                                                                a 3 strike labby system only requires a 25% win rate to show a profit. It will require a bigger bankroll though roughly 300 units.

                                                                3 strike labby works like this:
                                                                Start with 3 #s on your line
                                                                1-1-1

                                                                your betting 1st 2nd and last # on the line. If you lose just add 1 # to your line.

                                                                There will be a spread sheet posted on this from another person hopefully today, but these are my results from tonight trying to be baccarat.

                                                                I hope this helps everyone.
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                                                                • ken23lau
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 09-11-10
                                                                  • 297

                                                                  #5037
                                                                  Weren't you the one that said you created a system for blackjack that was foolproof and profitable using the labby method? What happened to that?
                                                                  Last edited by ken23lau; 06-07-11, 06:42 AM. Reason: Grammar
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                                                                  • J.M. Disciple
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 11-16-10
                                                                    • 5154

                                                                    #5038
                                                                    Division Leader Back Test

                                                                    After several people asking me to back test it, I finally started doing so.

                                                                    Because its so tedious back testing, I am only able to do a little bit at a time, but I will continue to back test more of the season as i Get more time on my hands.
                                                                    Probably just do 1 week at a time for now.

                                                                    Here are the results from April 1st - APril 15th of my Division Leader Back Test.

                                                                    I did a traditional Labby method to make it a little bit easier on the testing... Averaging out every line all the time would just be TOO TEDIOUS!

                                                                    spread sheet should be easy enough to understand, so please think about your question twice before asking it.

                                                                    Again small sample, so take it as a grain of salt thus far.
                                                                    Oh ya If you are wondering why my #s are so strange I based the wins / losses on -150 odds America or 1.67 Foreign
                                                                    Regards
                                                                    JMD
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                                                                    • J.M. Disciple
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 11-16-10
                                                                      • 5154

                                                                      #5039
                                                                      Originally posted by ken23lau
                                                                      Weren't you the one that said you created a system for blackjack that was foolproof and profitable using the labby method? What happened to that?
                                                                      I never said my system was full proof. I said i was profiting and "i dont see how i could lose." Key word in there is "I." Everyone makes mistakes and I own up to them. I have stated many times since then that I was wrong. This is not the first time that i warned people about it after my failure.

                                                                      Sounds like your being an A-hole. If you are great job on coming to this thread and trying to bash on people or me in particular and contributing nothing to this thread.

                                                                      You make an outstanding effort contributing to this thread.
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                                                                      • h00dini
                                                                        Restricted User
                                                                        • 09-17-09
                                                                        • 659

                                                                        #5040
                                                                        Originally posted by BCC585
                                                                        hahaha Hoodini I like the looks of this system. I'll deff be tailing you on this one

                                                                        So for #2 we bet against them right? just to make that clear
                                                                        welcome aboard. and yes, #2 which we will now refer to as version 2, you go against that team.
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