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  • LT Profits
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-27-06
    • 90963

    #71
    Originally posted by JayDr3am
    im not questioning or care about the model i just want to know what possesses you to take the pirates after their bad hitting performances AND with arrietta on the mound? its like borderline crazy
    The answer is in the 60%ers post, model had Cubs 66% (-194). So I actually expected to lose this play 66% of the time, but getting +217 the 34% it is excpected to win is +EV.
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    • 44 Mag
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 10-14-13
      • 34490

      #72
      Originally posted by Matty Mo
      Funny thing is, If the Pirates would have won somehow, everyone would be praising the +240 win. When, if you took the Pirates +240 vs Arrieta every time you'd be in such a big hole... but hey, there's value there!

      Can't just use math only in this game, have to put something into trends and streaks. Sure, Math should be a majority factor but trends and streaks should weigh in. Arrieta owns the Pirates
      Originally posted by LT Profits

      UGH! Just because a play is +240, it does not mean it has value.
      Look at the 60%ers post, model has Houston 71% (-245), so line seems perfect.
      Where is the value in losing a wager at 2.5 to 1 odds, when you know in your mind the Pirates were not going to win, most likely. That is not value. it is wishful thinking.
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      • gregmav1
        Restricted User
        • 01-09-14
        • 1830

        #73
        Yeah the whole "value" thing is something bettors love to talk about as reason for their losing plays and I just can't get behind it. The math makes sense absolutely, if Pirates have a 30% chance to win in your mind and odds give them a 20% chance, I understand why makes sense to take it. But, if I think a play is a losing play, can't make it. Not going to go against Arrieta once this year unless the other team is like +400 and I can lay .25 unit on it. Throwing money away.

        Respect though LT, always check your threads to see what your model says for games and your takes.
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        • LT Profits
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 10-27-06
          • 90963

          #74
          Originally posted by 44 Mag
          Where is the value in losing a wager at 2.5 to 1 odds, when you know in your mind the Pirates were not going to win, most likely. That is not value. it is wishful thinking.
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          But it IS value. I repeat, I expected the Pirates to lose this matchup 66% of the time, but what about getting +217 the 34% of the time they were expected to win? It is basic math. The long term is all that matters to me because I bet every day. Now for the occasional bettor that is only concerned with a few winning plays, the mindset would be different, although even he should never take a bad price. I prefer higher volume with smaller edges because that theoretically leads to less variance (althouh that had not been the case for me this crazy year with runs of -20, +33 and -25).
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          • RavensFan2k3
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-18-12
            • 17378

            #75
            Originally posted by 44 Mag


            Where is the value in losing a wager at 2.5 to 1 odds, when you know in your mind the Pirates were not going to win, most likely. That is not value. it is wishful thinking.
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            Originally posted by gregmav1
            Yeah the whole "value" thing is something bettors love to talk about as reason for their losing plays and I just can't get behind it. The math makes sense absolutely, if Pirates have a 30% chance to win in your mind and odds give them a 20% chance, I understand why makes sense to take it. But, if I think a play is a losing play, can't make it. Not going to go against Arrieta once this year unless the other team is like +400 and I can lay .25 unit on it. Throwing money away.

            Respect though LT, always check your threads to see what your model says for games and your takes.
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            • HeeluvaGuy
              SBR MVP
              • 02-15-14
              • 3449

              #76
              It's all right here in this chart (assuming an accurate model):

              Use our money line conversation chart to take the number given by the books and translate that into a win percentage or a probability of success.
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              • RavensFan2k3
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 08-18-12
                • 17378

                #77
                Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                It's all right here in this chart (assuming an accurate model):

                https://www.boydsbets.com/money-line-conversion-chart/
                Right, you compare the actual line vs what the real line should be, or what you feel the line should be.
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                • RavensFan2k3
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 08-18-12
                  • 17378

                  #78
                  Originally posted by RavensFan2k3
                  Nobody likes Seattle?
                  Originally posted by RavensFan2k3
                  Well I do
                  Seattle up 2-0 already. Why was was this not a play?
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                  • 44 Mag
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 10-14-13
                    • 34490

                    #79
                    Originally posted by RavensFan2k3
                    This


                    This
                    WELL, I can't afford to toss away 100.00 or 1000.00 (NFL) per game on wishful thinking, when only a fluke wins against a high triple line, like say Kershaw, Jake, etc.
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                    • JJJ
                      SBR MVP
                      • 05-03-11
                      • 2610

                      #80
                      1 unit down today how many more to go..... zona under looks bad already
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                      • jay89
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 08-04-13
                        • 671

                        #81
                        The model's not all that bad. Assuming nickel lines, with 414 plays that's -20.7 units in juice. subtracting that from the -12u on the year, the model is actually slightly positive (+8u). Personally, I wouldn't even chance a game like when a stud like arrieta; I'd like to know LT's record on games where the odds are at least +200, i'd guess that those losses are cutting into his margins
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                        • RavensFan2k3
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 08-18-12
                          • 17378

                          #82
                          Originally posted by jay89
                          The model's not all that bad. Assuming nickel lines, with 414 plays that's -20.7 units in juice. subtracting that from the -12u on the year, the model is actually slightly positive (+8u). Personally, I wouldn't even chance a game like when a stud like arrieta; I'd like to know LT's record on games where the odds are at least +200, i'd guess that those losses are cutting into his margins
                          Someone is going to have to explain this to me
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                          • RavensFan2k3
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-18-12
                            • 17378

                            #83
                            Originally posted by LT Profits
                            Model agrees with you, it has Seattle FAVORED 51% (-104). I am sitting it out though because Elias knows all the weaknesses of Seattle lineup, so he could pitch over his head this one game.
                            ???
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                            • JJJ
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-03-11
                              • 2610

                              #84
                              2 units down how many more to go...glad that feared tigers offense showed up
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                              • JJJ
                                SBR MVP
                                • 05-03-11
                                • 2610

                                #85
                                the over might hit in the Yankees game in the first inning lol
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                                • Duckshit
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 10-06-10
                                  • 7964

                                  #86
                                  Originally posted by LT Profits
                                  Yep, Ventura blows. He has the fourth worst xFIP in the majors at 5.24, due in large part to dreadful ratio of 6.66 strikeouts vs. 4.44 walks per nine innings. That walk rate is also fourth worst in the majors. I love Fulmer but he is not Kershaw-good, he will allow a few runs eventually. Best thing is he does not even need to allow much with Ventura facing hot Detroit offense.
                                  Worst info Ever.......
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                                  • JJJ
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 05-03-11
                                    • 2610

                                    #87
                                    another brutal day
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                                    • vokyruk
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 06-15-16
                                      • 181

                                      #88
                                      Originally posted by JJJ
                                      another brutal day
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                                      • RavensFan2k3
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 08-18-12
                                        • 17378

                                        #89
                                        Originally posted by LT Profits

                                        Model agrees with you, it has Seattle FAVORED 51% (-104). I am sitting it out though because Elias knows all the weaknesses of Seattle lineup, so he could pitch over his head this one game.
                                        Originally posted by LT Profits

                                        Yeah, I was quite surprised model spit out Miami 51%.

                                        Rockies big edge in starting pitcher (11% edge in run supression), but apparently Miami having a lot of little edges elsewhere was enough to offset that.
                                        Your model makes decent plays, you just dont play them because you deem them to not have enough value.
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                                        • Jayvegas420
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 03-09-11
                                          • 28213

                                          #90
                                          Mark my words, if you fade Arrietta every start this season you will end up +u.
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                                          • RavensFan2k3
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 08-18-12
                                            • 17378

                                            #91
                                            Originally posted by Jayvegas420
                                            Mark my words, if you fade Arrietta every start this season you will end up +u.
                                            Oh ok cool
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                                            • reed_barrington
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 10-05-15
                                              • 136

                                              #92
                                              Getting hammered
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                                              • mikefan1034
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 08-29-12
                                                • 2448

                                                #93
                                                Padres down 5-1 game over lol LT is a fraud and people if they haven't already need to stop tailing his plays. He should be ashamed of himself. U have people losing real money following him and he continues to just throw darts. He doesn't even bet money no
                                                Way a a person can just continue to throw away money because the number in a system tell him it has value. Nats are the hot team the better team and he goes with Padres hoping to stike lightening in a bottle. Why not just avoid the game or why didn't u just take the Cubs earlier -1.5 or the Yankees against the Twins those are good spots. There's a reason I'm destroying u in the contest
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                                                • goduke
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 02-17-10
                                                  • 11580

                                                  #94
                                                  Originally posted by mikefan1034
                                                  Padres down 5-1 game over lol LT is a fraud and people if they haven't already need to stop tailing his plays. He should be ashamed of himself. U have people losing real money following him and he continues to just throw darts. He doesn't even bet money no
                                                  Way a a person can just continue to throw away money because the number in a system tell him it has value. Nats are the hot team the better team and he goes with Padres hoping to stike lightening in a bottle. Why not just avoid the game or why didn't u just take the Cubs earlier -1.5 or the Yankees against the Twins those are good spots. There's a reason I'm destroying u in the contest
                                                  Nothing like showing a little humility. Let your numbers do the talking. Act like you've been able to do it before
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                                                  • mikefan1034
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 08-29-12
                                                    • 2448

                                                    #95
                                                    Originally posted by goduke
                                                    Nothing like showing a little humility. Let your numbers do the talking. Act like you've been able to do it before
                                                    My numbers are doing the talking im up 20 units and he's down 29 units
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                                                    • mikefan1034
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 08-29-12
                                                      • 2448

                                                      #96
                                                      If you some winners tomm LT mets -1.5 and Indians will destroy shields tomm, and keuchal should win at home against reds
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                                                      • Brock Landers
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 06-30-08
                                                        • 45359

                                                        #97
                                                        Originally posted by jayc88
                                                        If you were Brocks bookie and would give him 10-20 cent off of every fav he bets , you would still rake in money as crazy.
                                                        Absolutely clueless
                                                        Sure I am fucko
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                                                        • Sam Odom
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 10-30-05
                                                          • 58063

                                                          #98
                                                          Brock... post your money plays over here at SBR , bro
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                                                          • Brock Landers
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 06-30-08
                                                            • 45359

                                                            #99
                                                            Fuckk the "model"

                                                            Do proper handicapping and quit thinking you had value when you are losing tons of units

                                                            The way JJ scalps is infinitely superior to this bullshit
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                                                            • tradeout
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 01-01-14
                                                              • 2541

                                                              #100
                                                              Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                              7 MLB Plays Friday

                                                              Pirates +217 (Heritage)
                                                              Diamondbacks / Phillies UNDER 8.5 +100 (Heritage)
                                                              Yankees / Twins UNDER 8.5 -115 (Heritage)
                                                              Tigers -113 (DSI)
                                                              Tigers / Royals OVER 8 -110 (Heritage)
                                                              Tigers -0.5 +110 (5 innings) (Heritage)
                                                              Padres +151 (Heritage)

                                                              Tigers / Royals OVER 8 -110

                                                              the only play i tailed.

                                                              cheers

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                                                              • Brock Landers
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 06-30-08
                                                                • 45359

                                                                #101
                                                                Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                                Brock... post your money plays over here at SBR , bro
                                                                You post them

                                                                I'll rock anyone who cares to take me on in college football.

                                                                Would love to crack drink your milkshakes cranium, guy thinks he is God's gift to college football capping
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                                                                • Sam Odom
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-30-05
                                                                  • 58063

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Originally posted by Brock Landers

                                                                  The way JJ scalps is infinitely superior to this bullshit

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                                                                  • Brock Landers
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 06-30-08
                                                                    • 45359

                                                                    #103
                                                                    Originally posted by mikefan1034
                                                                    Padres down 5-1 game over lol LT is a fraud and people if they haven't already need to stop tailing his plays. He should be ashamed of himself. U have people losing real money following him and he continues to just throw darts. He doesn't even bet money no
                                                                    Way a a person can just continue to throw away money because the number in a system tell him it has value. Nats are the hot team the better team and he goes with Padres hoping to stike lightening in a bottle. Why not just avoid the game or why didn't u just take the Cubs earlier -1.5 or the Yankees against the Twins those are good spots. There's a reason I'm destroying u in the contest
                                                                    Remember

                                                                    It's LONG TERM PROFITS

                                                                    Fuckk the day to day details of getting your shit pushed in
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                                                                    • juicername
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 10-14-15
                                                                      • 6906

                                                                      #104
                                                                      Originally posted by mikefan1034
                                                                      If you some winners tomm LT mets -1.5 and Indians will destroy shields tomm, and keuchal should win at home against reds
                                                                      So you think three teams all in the range of -220 to -265 will win? Sharp as a knife, aren't you.
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                                                                      • mikefan1034
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 08-29-12
                                                                        • 2448

                                                                        #105
                                                                        Originally posted by juicername
                                                                        So you think three teams all in the range of -220 to -265 will win? Sharp as a knife, aren't you.
                                                                        Check the contest I'm with LT I'll bury u as well u broke dik mush
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