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  • genero
    Restricted User
    • 04-05-09
    • 233

    #141
    well you have to keep at it until the bank is at 0. hope the royals stay under for you
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    • Machine Choice
      SBR MVP
      • 12-12-08
      • 3997

      #142
      Additional plays for Thursday:

      Cubs/Reds under 10.5 (-105)
      Mariners/Rays under 7.5 (-120)
      White Sox (-112)
      Astros/Dodgers under 8.5 (-110)

      I'll be adding much more today, I am trying something out.
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      • dwest718
        SBR Sharp
        • 12-06-07
        • 443

        #143
        Trey Hillman trying to give the game away. Keeping Meche in with Mesa warmed up and ready to go.

        Get bailed out by an incredibly intelligent play by Callaspo. Royals better finish this off!
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        • diogee
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-11-08
          • 19477

          #144
          Best of luck Machine. You'll get it turned around...long season. Been a bit of craziness over the first couple of weeks for sure.
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          • dwest718
            SBR Sharp
            • 12-06-07
            • 443

            #145
            Gives up the run and then brings in Mahay... great managing Trey!

            I'm sharpening my pitchfork as we speak...
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            • Machine Choice
              SBR MVP
              • 12-12-08
              • 3997

              #146
              Originally posted by Machine Choice
              Thursday

              Royals / Tribe under 8.5

              $100 to win $91
              GAME OVER

              Overall: 10-19

              Parlays: 4-7
              Sides: 5-11
              Totals: 1-1

              Starting Bankroll: $3,724
              Current Bankroll: $1,996
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              • Machine Choice
                SBR MVP
                • 12-12-08
                • 3997

                #147
                All added plays today edited in above.
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                • Machine Choice
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-12-08
                  • 3997

                  #148
                  Originally posted by Machine Choice
                  Additional plays for Thursday:

                  Cubs/Reds under 10.5 (-105)
                  Mariners/Rays under 7.5 (-120)
                  White Sox (-112)
                  Astros/Dodgers under 8.5 (-110)

                  I'll be adding much more today, I am trying something out.
                  GAMES OVER

                  4-1 Thursday

                  Overall: 13-20

                  Parlays: 4-7

                  Sides: 5-11
                  Totals: 4-1

                  Starting Bankroll: $3,724
                  Current Bankroll: $1,977
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                  • G's pks
                    Restricted User
                    • 01-01-09
                    • 22251

                    #149
                    good job machine...
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                    • vitalogist
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-11-08
                      • 2820

                      #150
                      good work today machine, you needed that!
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                      • TheLock
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 04-06-08
                        • 14427

                        #151
                        Nice work Machine.

                        Sounds like you are on to something.
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                        • alukk
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-29-09
                          • 1544

                          #152
                          that was nice machine
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                          • Dexter
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 12-24-08
                            • 25829

                            #153
                            Originally posted by Machine Choice
                            GAMES OVER

                            4-1 Thursday

                            Overall: 13-20

                            Parlays: 4-7

                            Sides: 5-11
                            Totals: 4-1

                            Starting Bankroll: $3,724
                            Current Bankroll: $1,977
                            you booked the dodgers game a winner 30 minutes ago when the game just ended?

                            confident, but im sure you've seen games go to extra innings before..

                            ps: you need to go back to being the ultimate machine. when you would never say a word other then "GAME OVER" ha...i used to get a kick out of that.
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                            • Machine Choice
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-12-08
                              • 3997

                              #154
                              Friday

                              Parlay: Mets -270 / KC under 8.5

                              $173 to win $280
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                              • lego21
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 11-01-08
                                • 87

                                #155
                                Lets drill this one Machine
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                                • Chi_archie
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 07-22-08
                                  • 63167

                                  #156
                                  nice day yesterday...
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                                  • gambit718
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 02-04-09
                                    • 443

                                    #157
                                    He's back...
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                                    • DFoster
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 03-02-09
                                      • 712

                                      #158
                                      The guy has skills. Is it any different than starting amazing and ending awful? He's shown his ability to pick winners and I'm sure he's going to get it going and continue the wins.
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                                      • Machine Choice
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 12-12-08
                                        • 3997

                                        #159
                                        Originally posted by Machine Choice
                                        Friday

                                        Parlay: Mets -270 / KC under 8.5

                                        $173 to win $280
                                        GAME OVER

                                        Overall: 14-20
                                        Parlays: 5-7

                                        Starting Bankroll: $3,724
                                        Current Bankroll: $2,257
                                        Comment
                                        • Machine Choice
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 12-12-08
                                          • 3997

                                          #160
                                          Saturday

                                          Baltimore -118

                                          $173 to win $147
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                                          • Machine Choice
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 12-12-08
                                            • 3997

                                            #161
                                            Saturday (added)

                                            Houston -125

                                            $146 to win $117
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                                            • Machine Choice
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 12-12-08
                                              • 3997

                                              #162
                                              Saturday (added)

                                              Padres -132

                                              $405 to win $311
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                                              • G's pks
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 01-01-09
                                                • 22251

                                                #163
                                                is this heavens gate money management? Seems like you are chasing again....another tough day....looks like 0-3 with a 33% loss of what is left of your bankroll in 3 bets!
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                                                • G's pks
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 01-01-09
                                                  • 22251

                                                  #164
                                                  not using heavens gate system anymore....tough year for you....
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                                                  • jellobiafra
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 03-08-09
                                                    • 6291

                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by G's pks
                                                    not using heavens gate system anymore....tough year for you....
                                                    Are these still just "jokes"?
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                                                    • G's pks
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 01-01-09
                                                      • 22251

                                                      #166
                                                      Originally posted by jellobiafra
                                                      Are these still just "jokes"?
                                                      no this is the truth here you go...st andrew/now known as machine choice...


                                                      The 15 Rules
                                                      Here's how I hope to hit better than 60% in baseball the rest of this year. Yesterday I violated Rule 6, and although I still would've lost on my top play, my record and bankroll would not have taken the hit that it did. I developed these rules after learning the hard way the dangers of fading them.

                                                      The 15 Rules by Saint Andrew

                                                      1. Don't play juice higher than -139. You may hit greater than 60%, but your bankroll will eventually get ground-down. If there's a team you really love at greater than -139, play a two-team parlay with them. Afterall, if their juice is that high and you think it deserves to be, they should be a lock right? Why not parlay them with another sure-winner and get twice the money?

                                                      2. Don't get complacent or "creative" after a big win. Stick to a winning system as if you were down to your last dollar.

                                                      3. Don't play totals. They're not profitable, you win on them by being lucky. Luck is not a handicapping tool.

                                                      4. Don't play run lines...ever. It's hard enough to win a game by one run, heavy favorites who should win still lose every day (see yesterday's Atlanta and ChiSox games). Very often games go into extra innings. The run line is the dumb line.

                                                      5. The only acceptable parlay is a two-teamer.

                                                      6. Don't bet more than one parlay per day. These are your best two teams and they should be your big show. Don't make them share the spotlight. (see "Bankroll Guidelines")

                                                      7. Don't bet more than one game in the same time slot. (the reason for this is mentioned in "Bankroll Guidelines" below)

                                                      8. Don't make more than three plays in one day. (see "Bankroll Guidelines") If you have alot of games that you "OMG REALLY LOVE", narrow it down to the three best. If you can't pick which are the best, you shouldn't be betting.

                                                      9. Don't take or fade a rookie pitcher making his first, second or third start. You don't know what you're going to get.

                                                      10. Don't go "all-in" unless you are making a lifestyle change. You may think you are ready to do it, but if it loses and you suddenly can't get action down, you will wish you could get in the time machine. There is only one permissible time to go "all -in": it's when you are on the brink of a lifestyle change that does not involve gambling and you don't care if you win or lose.

                                                      11. Don't let "touts", message board traffic, etc influence your plays. "Gambling Services" are simply people doing what you should be doing (research) except that they are usually doing it less effectively than you could do it yourself. I am always shocked by the illiterate moron write-ups that I see on service sites.

                                                      12. Don't beat yourself up over an unexplainable loss. When a big offense or stud pitcher decides to "take the day off" and ruin your play, shrug it off. It happens. The goal is for it to happen less than 40% of the time. You can't win long-term until you have mastered how to mentally deal with an unexplainable loss. How you react on the very next wager will tell you if you are a square (chaser), sharp ("oh well, next play"), or degenerate ("all-in")

                                                      13. Never violate sound bankroll management. Duh. IMO the best system is the one I devised below. I call it "Heaven's Gate"

                                                      14. Never assume that a team is better or worse than their record.

                                                      15. DON"T LET THE VEGAS / CARRIB LINE INFLUENCE YOUR OPINION OF A MATCHUP. The game takes place on the field, not in the book. "Fading steam", looking for "traps" is complete nonsense and disrespects this fine hobby.

                                                      HANDICAPPING GUIDELINES

                                                      Home advantage: Almost always play the home team. If you're playing the road team, then the home team had better be HORRIBLE with a horrible home record, little fan support and on a week day.

                                                      Offense: look at how a team hits left and right-handers at home and on the road (whichever applies). Then look at how many runs a team is averaging per game over the last 10 games. Pick which team has the better offense and then compare that to the team's overall home/away record. If you can get a good offense paired with a good home record (for instance Texas and Boston at home), you've got a good ingredient for a pick.

                                                      Pitching: look at each pitcher's ERA on the road/at home (whichever applies) and in their last three. Average those two ERAs. Overall ERA is not important. If they are comparable, the tie-breaker is how each pitcher pitches in day/night. Now look at home runs allowed. How many innings per home run does the pitcher pitch? If the pitcher gives up 1 HR every six innings or less, you need to consider fading him because he will probably give up a HR with RISP. When that happens, his chances of losing hugely increase.

                                                      Bullpen: only look at stats for the available bulllpen, not the overall bullpen. If you see an available bullpen ERA greater than 4.00, then that team needs to have substantial other reasons why you should bet them. The bullpen usually pitches 1/3 of the game. If the starting pitcher throws alot of Ks, the bullpen is more important because the starter's pitch count will be high by the 6th inning.

                                                      Trends: I love certain trends because they give you a "percentage probability" to work with, along with your other handicapping tools. For instance, if the Red Sox are 39-13 at home and have "won 8 of their last 9 home games", it's a pretty good bet that they're going to win their next one. Raw math can help considerably.

                                                      BANKROLL GUIDELINES ("HEAVEN'S GATE")

                                                      I posted this at another site several weeks ago. Flat betting does not produce the best profit and it is also a grinding, unrewarding affair. Instead, I have devised "Heavens Gate" which consists of small wagers that increase after two consecutive wins.

                                                      1. Divide your bankroll by 11. This is your first "base unit."

                                                      2. When placing your bet, never wager on more than one game in the same time slot. For instance, if you're betting a game at 1 p.m., wait until until 4 p.m. to place your next wager. The reason for this is because the result of the first game determines how much you will be betting on the second game.

                                                      3. After two consecutive wins, increase your bet by half of the previous bet. Example: Cubs win a $50 bet at 1 p.m., Dodgers win a $50 bet at 4 p.m. So the next day (or during a late game) your next bet would be for $75. If you then win two $75 bets in a row, your next bet is for $112. This means that you will never have more than three bets on any given day (weekend) or two bets on any given weekday. The goal is to make THE BEST 1 to 3 bets possible each day in order to get your reverse pyramid going.

                                                      4. Whenever you lose, you always go back to your "base unit", which is 1/11th of your total bankroll. Example: if your total bankroll is $2400 after suffering a loss, your first "base unit" bet will be $2400 / 11 = $218
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                                                      • ebbearsfb1
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 12-07-08
                                                        • 18815

                                                        #167
                                                        interesting... a lot of good points in there

                                                        did you make that yourself g's pk? or is it something that you found?

                                                        might have to make a few changes to my plays after reading it
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                                                        • jellobiafra
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 03-08-09
                                                          • 6291

                                                          #168
                                                          I think some of it is great advice. Some of it I disagree with. I don't know why you need to be afraid to play road teams, for instance. Road teams win all the TIME in baseball. Another small quibble, what does it matter if a pitcher gives up a HR with a RISP or just on 1st base? I assume that was a typo or a slip. Also, I think BB/9 should be considered in conjunction with the HR numbers.

                                                          One other thing that jumped out at me is the pitcher day/night splits. I understand hitters' day night splits, but you'll be hard pressed to convince me that the the sun being out has any affect on a pitcher's performance. I guess the heat....maybe. But if you're just going on the day/night stats you might not be getting accurate info to consider if it's the influence of temperature you are trying to factor for.

                                                          On the trends, they can be helpful but you also have to consider the law of dimishing returns or the law of averages. If the Red Sox have won 9 straight then the chances become more and more likely they will lose as that streak continues. If they win again tomorrow it doesn't make them more likely they will win the next day. It makes them less. They may still be more likely to win than not, but not more likely just because they won the previous day.
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                                                          • Dexter
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 12-24-08
                                                            • 25829

                                                            #169
                                                            who the heck is st andrew?
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                                                            • G's pks
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 01-01-09
                                                              • 22251

                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by Dexter
                                                              who the heck is st andrew?

                                                              St Andrew otherwise known as machine choice and a set of guidelines that he developed to avoid situations like chasing...
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                                                              • G's pks
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 01-01-09
                                                                • 22251

                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by ebbearsfb1
                                                                interesting... a lot of good points in there

                                                                did you make that yourself g's pk? or is it something that you found?

                                                                might have to make a few changes to my plays after reading it

                                                                nothing I found...these are machine choice/st andrews guidelines... a good time to bring them back out now..maybe can help end this slump he is in...
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                                                                • G's pks
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 01-01-09
                                                                  • 22251

                                                                  #172
                                                                  in case i am not clear...St Andrew was machine choices name last year... Machine get back on track ...with your own guidelines...
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                                                                  • Machine Choice
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-12-08
                                                                    • 3997

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Overall: 14-23

                                                                    Starting Bankroll: $3,724
                                                                    Current Bankroll: $1,532
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                                                                    • Vonnegut
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 01-08-09
                                                                      • 1499

                                                                      #174
                                                                      This should be stickied

                                                                      The 15 Rules
                                                                      Here's how I hope to hit better than 60% in baseball the rest of this year. Yesterday I violated Rule 6, and although I still would've lost on my top play, my record and bankroll would not have taken the hit that it did. I developed these rules after learning the hard way the dangers of fading them.

                                                                      The 15 Rules by Saint Andrew

                                                                      1. Don't play juice higher than -139. You may hit greater than 60%, but your bankroll will eventually get ground-down. If there's a team you really love at greater than -139, play a two-team parlay with them. Afterall, if their juice is that high and you think it deserves to be, they should be a lock right? Why not parlay them with another sure-winner and get twice the money?

                                                                      2. Don't get complacent or "creative" after a big win. Stick to a winning system as if you were down to your last dollar.

                                                                      3. Don't play totals. They're not profitable, you win on them by being lucky. Luck is not a handicapping tool.

                                                                      4. Don't play run lines...ever. It's hard enough to win a game by one run, heavy favorites who should win still lose every day (see yesterday's Atlanta and ChiSox games). Very often games go into extra innings. The run line is the dumb line.

                                                                      5. The only acceptable parlay is a two-teamer.

                                                                      6. Don't bet more than one parlay per day. These are your best two teams and they should be your big show. Don't make them share the spotlight. (see "Bankroll Guidelines")

                                                                      7. Don't bet more than one game in the same time slot. (the reason for this is mentioned in "Bankroll Guidelines" below)

                                                                      8. Don't make more than three plays in one day. (see "Bankroll Guidelines") If you have alot of games that you "OMG REALLY LOVE", narrow it down to the three best. If you can't pick which are the best, you shouldn't be betting.

                                                                      9. Don't take or fade a rookie pitcher making his first, second or third start. You don't know what you're going to get.

                                                                      10. Don't go "all-in" unless you are making a lifestyle change. You may think you are ready to do it, but if it loses and you suddenly can't get action down, you will wish you could get in the time machine. There is only one permissible time to go "all -in": it's when you are on the brink of a lifestyle change that does not involve gambling and you don't care if you win or lose.

                                                                      11. Don't let "touts", message board traffic, etc influence your plays. "Gambling Services" are simply people doing what you should be doing (research) except that they are usually doing it less effectively than you could do it yourself. I am always shocked by the illiterate moron write-ups that I see on service sites.

                                                                      12. Don't beat yourself up over an unexplainable loss. When a big offense or stud pitcher decides to "take the day off" and ruin your play, shrug it off. It happens. The goal is for it to happen less than 40% of the time. You can't win long-term until you have mastered how to mentally deal with an unexplainable loss. How you react on the very next wager will tell you if you are a square (chaser), sharp ("oh well, next play"), or degenerate ("all-in")

                                                                      13. Never violate sound bankroll management. Duh. IMO the best system is the one I devised below. I call it "Heaven's Gate"

                                                                      14. Never assume that a team is better or worse than their record.

                                                                      15. DON"T LET THE VEGAS / CARRIB LINE INFLUENCE YOUR OPINION OF A MATCHUP. The game takes place on the field, not in the book. "Fading steam", looking for "traps" is complete nonsense and disrespects this fine hobby.

                                                                      HANDICAPPING GUIDELINES

                                                                      Home advantage: Almost always play the home team. If you're playing the road team, then the home team had better be HORRIBLE with a horrible home record, little fan support and on a week day.

                                                                      Offense: look at how a team hits left and right-handers at home and on the road (whichever applies). Then look at how many runs a team is averaging per game over the last 10 games. Pick which team has the better offense and then compare that to the team's overall home/away record. If you can get a good offense paired with a good home record (for instance Texas and Boston at home), you've got a good ingredient for a pick.

                                                                      Pitching: look at each pitcher's ERA on the road/at home (whichever applies) and in their last three. Average those two ERAs. Overall ERA is not important. If they are comparable, the tie-breaker is how each pitcher pitches in day/night. Now look at home runs allowed. How many innings per home run does the pitcher pitch? If the pitcher gives up 1 HR every six innings or less, you need to consider fading him because he will probably give up a HR with RISP. When that happens, his chances of losing hugely increase.

                                                                      Bullpen: only look at stats for the available bulllpen, not the overall bullpen. If you see an available bullpen ERA greater than 4.00, then that team needs to have substantial other reasons why you should bet them. The bullpen usually pitches 1/3 of the game. If the starting pitcher throws alot of Ks, the bullpen is more important because the starter's pitch count will be high by the 6th inning.

                                                                      Trends: I love certain trends because they give you a "percentage probability" to work with, along with your other handicapping tools. For instance, if the Red Sox are 39-13 at home and have "won 8 of their last 9 home games", it's a pretty good bet that they're going to win their next one. Raw math can help considerably.

                                                                      BANKROLL GUIDELINES ("HEAVEN'S GATE")

                                                                      I posted this at another site several weeks ago. Flat betting does not produce the best profit and it is also a grinding, unrewarding affair. Instead, I have devised "Heavens Gate" which consists of small wagers that increase after two consecutive wins.

                                                                      1. Divide your bankroll by 11. This is your first "base unit."

                                                                      2. When placing your bet, never wager on more than one game in the same time slot. For instance, if you're betting a game at 1 p.m., wait until until 4 p.m. to place your next wager. The reason for this is because the result of the first game determines how much you will be betting on the second game.

                                                                      3. After two consecutive wins, increase your bet by half of the previous bet. Example: Cubs win a $50 bet at 1 p.m., Dodgers win a $50 bet at 4 p.m. So the next day (or during a late game) your next bet would be for $75. If you then win two $75 bets in a row, your next bet is for $112. This means that you will never have more than three bets on any given day (weekend) or two bets on any given weekday. The goal is to make THE BEST 1 to 3 bets possible each day in order to get your reverse pyramid going.

                                                                      4. Whenever you lose, you always go back to your "base unit", which is 1/11th of your total bankroll. Example: if your total bankroll is $2400 after suffering a loss, your first "base unit" bet will be $2400 / 11 = $218
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                                                                      • DMB40
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 04-04-09
                                                                        • 1258

                                                                        #175
                                                                        lets go machine. im still with you. I have faith
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