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I hate to give 5dimes any thing to lean... but when slot machines DO fail and payout wrong amount.... casinoes have legally confiscated the money on grounds of machine error. Is this the same thing? Not really.... This seems more like a human error then a computer error... Its not like the machine was paying out the wrong amount. It was paying out what was LISTED.... Player does seem to have a case on that point.
Also.. shouldn't Tony have at least credited him an amount that he won that he would have won had it been regular payout instead of 397%? Like... he won 32k..... Shouldn't he at least get 25% of that? Wouldn't 8k be a fair payout in this circumstance?Comment -
"Malfunctions void all pays and plays", but malfunction is different than incompetence.Comment -
This looks like an easy win for SBR...They can rule in favor of the player and not worry about offending 5 Dimes because the book has already said they won't be need arbitration in this case.Comment -
They aren't the same thing and 5 Dimes acknowledges this themselves by addressing them separately in their TOC.
Originally posted by 5 DimesUltimately, they're going to hide behind this language:Originally posted by 5 Dimes
Which is BS because this wasn't a software error.Originally posted by 5 DimesComment -
Ahhh, thanks for brining this up.
At the very least we see how Tony aka 5dimes operates.
Staying clear of this shop.
Thanks!Comment -
The settlement option is a joke its all or nothing pay the man or don't. Obviously I say pay him in full but giving him a partial payment is not acceptable either. He may be willing to take that because he knows he has an uphill battle to get it all and honestly I probably would do the same but it does not change the fact he is owed the whole balance. People make mistakes every day in the real world that costs them millions of dollars, their homes, their freedom their families etc. You are responsible and accountable for your mistakes now deal with the consequences. I hope he gets paid in full and buys a sweet ride with a license plate "thxtony"Comment -
To the OP, nice catch you hit them for about the perfect amount here.
Tony, you need to pay the stupid tax here. I would say 5 dimes is fair.Comment -
Human or system/software error.
Funny, because I've almost completed a 180 now. lol
The player did not act in good faith. And Tony has no right to call him a shot taker, because his casino is like Charlie's chocolate factory.
Hard to find middle ground when both are wrong. WVU is probably right by calling on Tony to pay the tax.Comment -
Unlike the other 5dimes' case, since the error was on a the other end of the paytable (ie on a frequently hit hand) and the payout was so ridiculous high the variance in this case is going to be extremely low and the players funds are never really going to be risk... Regardless, I'm hopeful that this isn't the way you are heading in this dispute, as people who bet bad lines would have a strong argument about why they right to take advantage of a book's JUSTIFIABLE errors...Comment -
All bets are off.Comment -
Pay the man what the fudgeComment -
at the minimum he should be paid an amount you could expect from a 112.5% payout table since 5dimes did not complain about the paytable in the zabula case. this amounts to about $9200.Comment -
Matchbook does not profile the same way that virtually every shop does, so it's not really relevant. I'm also not arguing that the OP should have known he wouldn't get paid going in. I was merely pointing out with the benefit of hindsight that 32K wasn't the optimal amout here.Comment -
Never fails to amaze me, how Tony tries to make the players look like evil ppl stealing from his candy store aka 5D
When in fact everyone can see that he has the absolute power, the book can do whatever they want with the players.
Locking accounts, confiscate everything, saying piss off @SBR we won't argue about this case (cos that's what he does here, but iam sure money will heal the wounds and preserve them the A+ rating, there surely isn't any shop better than 5D
), and ofc make him look like an asshole.
If this happened at..Pinny...iam sure they would have given him some cash for the beta testing as DH says.
Oh and there the boss wouldn't go on live chat and make a clown of himself, i guess.
It's hard to find a such high rated book that cannot be taken serious at all, hilarious.Comment -
before we rush to judgement on SBR, let's see if they can get this to a negotiation table. That is what they need to be doing. the faster the better. Get this man his 5k with a nondisclosure clause and look like heros and be done with it.Comment -
Normally I would think it would be reasonable to void out winnings of shot takers due to human error... In my opinion the more important question here is reasonable for A+ book to have this problem in their casino a few days after having another 5 figure dispute caused by bad video poker paytable? (I believe Justin described it as being retarded in having offered the game)...Comment -
Tell Tony you'll settle for 30k and a blowjobComment -
With 390% payout, 5D needs to add a rule that you can not use bots, hands or feet to play this game. Only nose is allowed.Comment -
m8 .. If i were you I would have kept going till you reached 100k at least .
then if they decided not to pay you even though you won without using ANY BOTS .
you could easily sue them and win
.. good luck to you though and I really hope you get payed .
funny how Tony got out of paying $14k .. KARMA IS A BITCH TONY .. u gotta pay up $32k now .. the dude won it legit .Comment -
"Oh boy, here we go again."
just what i thoughtComment -
Very disturbing so may people advocate for the settlement. Payment in full or massive downgrade and severe biz ties. Next time one of you guys win and has a dispute should everyone say well give him 20% thats fair? No its bullshit and he should get 100% of owed monies. Setting a precedent where books can call us shot takers and somehow come out looking good by giving us a portion of what is owed is dangerous to say the least. Pay him and move on.... save a bit of face.... if we can not try to beath the books then what is the point? The books currently always have a mathematical edge on the bettor but the second a bettor finds an offered edge they are a scum bag? Then what are the books and casinos who are ALWAYS the benefactors of statistics? You have thousands of people a day playing your games a day at a disadvantage and someone finds an advantage which is noones fault but your own and they are the troublemaker? Get realComment -
1. Has anyone reported that 5dimes has added to their accounts after finding an error that overwhelming favored the house? If there were this many errors that are against the house quoted edge, then its reasonable to assume that there were some errors out there that were out of kilter for the house?
2. Op has done a lot to respond to questions posed in this thread! He explains his position...he goes to live chat after we request him to; he posts the chat with Tony when we ask him to.
3. Op is exceedingly patient and polite in this situation.
Where is the companies responsibility in this? I feel for the OP. He has handled this siutation with professionalism and patience. Very interested to see where this goes.Comment -
this is hilarious.. i hope justin7 is on this case.. he seems to really harp down on these books and hopefully isnt influenced on the books rating or their affiliate deal with sbr.
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We are talking about settlement because I think everyone can agree OP will not be getting full amount. Tony is very stubborn, and I have never seen him say something like that and then reverse it. OP can completely forget about getting 32k... he should be more focused on trying to get as much as he can... hopefully more then 5kComment
