Issue with 5dimes grading on Wrestlemania

[Lint Pockets]

There weren't two matches. Go look at the final results on the WWE's own website. It doesn't say:

Miz v. Cena -- double count-out
Miz d. Cena -- second match

It just says:

The Miz (c) def. John Cena

I don't know what the heck other people are telling Tony or complaining to him about. I don't care about other people, but you know that because the line on Miz started at +1000 and finished at around +140 that I probably wasn't the only person who was very disappointed in the decision made by Tony and the 5dimes team to cancel the bet.

And yeah, it's only a $41 dollar bet. I'm not a big baller, never have claimed to be. But an added $410 would sure have been nice for my bankroll.

well unless on 5dimes it stated "official results on wwe website" then they make their own decision of the result based on the facts and since the match ended then restarted they consider the first match that got restarted the official match.

[KEdge2k]

well unless on 5dimes it stated "official results on wwe website" then they make their own decision of the result based on the facts and since the match ended then restarted they consider the first match that got restarted the official match.

I understand that Lint. It just seems to me like its really good cover to take a shot at players, especially all of those who drove Miz down from +1000 to +145 or so before the match went off.

[KGambler]

another idiotic statement from this mush

He's also a stiff.

This clown has to be one of the worst posters on the site.

[Lint Pockets]

He's also a stiff.

This clown has to be one of the worst posters on the site.

sorry i didn't know we grade posters on the site, you must be the best poster on here if that is the case

[Jasonal_98]

KEdge, I think you're right on this one. Official wwe.com results only show one match, and the rules posted by 5dimes say that the original result may be altered. I hope you win this dispute.

Not that it matters, but the SBR book graded the match as a Miz win.

[KGambler]

sorry i didn't know we grade posters on the site, you must be the best poster on here if that is the case

pay your debts scumbag



Talk about pathetic:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sbr-points/1019557-poker-loan.html#post9494627

[KEdge2k]

KEdge, I think you're right on this one. Official wwe.com results only show one match, and the rules posted by 5dimes say that the original result may be altered. I hope you win this dispute.

Not that it matters, but the SBR book graded the match as a Miz win.

Thanks Jason. It seems pretty open and shut to me. I don't want to attribute any sort of shot-taking to 5dimes, but what am I supposed to think in this situation? I just don't think its a wise decision, like I mentioned, its not like I'm killing this book, I've been donating to it the whole time I've had a membership... but still they can't throw a bone to a long term customer.

Both other books that took action on it (Bodog and SIA, I believe) graded them as a win for the Miz. 5dimes stands alone on this one.

Still waiting on a response to my complaint, will keep the thread updated when/if I hear anything from SBR.

[Lint Pockets]

pay your debts scumbag

@ pay my debts like i owe a local bookie thousands of dollars or something. no it's not thousands it's points probably worth about 5 cents each but if you consider that debt then ok

[rsigley]

just get a cap one CC, take cash advance at 49.9% apr and deposit to 5dimes for baseball

[Mastertvtech]

This actually played into Tony's hand very nicely... The fight could be interpreted either way, and he made his decision based on what would benefit 5 Dimes ....Plain and simple. I am sure he could just as easily make a case for Miz winning.

[Kaabee]

This actually played into Tony's hand very nicely... The fight could be interpreted either way, and he made his decision based on what would benefit 5 Dimes ....Plain and simple. I am sure he could just as easily make a case for Miz winning.

[TheBeautifulGame]

This actually played into Tony's hand very nicely... The fight could be interpreted either way, and he made his decision based on what would benefit 5 Dimes ....Plain and simple. I am sure he could just as easily make a case for Miz winning.

That is what I said in my previous post. The only reasons 5Dimes are offering the WWE prices is because he (tony) can screw the player over.

IMO, If betting on WWE, you should keep the stakes small as the OP did. this isn't like any sport that the results are fair and justified. Wrestling is like Italian football

[firedawg]

That is what I said in my previous post. The only reasons 5Dimes are offering the WWE prices is because he (tony) can screw the player over.

IMO, If betting on WWE, you should keep the stakes small as the OP did. this isn't like any sport that the results are fair and justified. Wrestling is like Italian football

go read my post in players talk where i posted our chat..... look how the fukk tries to big time me.... he is a clown and i would love to meet him in a dark ally

[DEP78]

What are the odds that 5d will have lines up for the next WWE event?

5d was dumb for putting lines up on something like this. Yes, I put a few bucks on this - like Snooki's team and some other stuff in a parlay. I bet on Snooki's team, how in the world did I even have the opportunity to bet on something like this? If a book puts odds on something, especially something like WWE they deserve any repercussions that may happen. In this case repercussions does not mean money it's just a big pita. Even though Tony can be a big pita, he's got to be saying "what the he11 did I put lines up for wwe?"

If you've checked out other forums it's been discussed there too.

All of this is pretty funny. Tony must have gone through a bottle of Excedrin and another of Tums dealing with the BS he caused by putting lines up for something as stupid as WWE.

[TheBeautifulGame]

go read my post in players talk where i posted our chat..... look how the fukk tries to big time me.... he is a clown and i would love to meet him in a dark ally

I saw the chat and it pissed me off. In my previous post, I said, I would love to meet Tony so I could punch him in his obnoxious face. The guy has a severe superiority complex. Just from reading the chats he has with yourself and other posters, he comes across as an absolute prick.

To be honest, I'd find another website. There is plenty of others that will treat you fairly. Whats the big attraction to 5Dimes anyway? We'll, for me, I bet soccer and their odds don't come close to pinnacle or any of the sites I use really so the site does not interest me.

[beermankirk]

Sounds like the miz won, but you won tbe paid...

[El Stufruado]

betting on wrestling is hilarious
you got you 41 bucks back , be thankful and forget about it your not seeing a cent

[SBR Lou]

Can anyone here at SBR management lend a hand? Justin? Dozer? Lou? Or is this just a situation where I have to go pound sand?

Hi KEdge2k,

Your complaint has been received and is being reviewed.

[KEdge2k]

Hi KEdge2k,

Your complaint has been received and is being reviewed.

Thanks Lou, I appreciate whatever assistance you might be able to give me on this one.

[TheGuesser]

5D invites this controversy themselves with their vague grading wording. If they just worded it like evidently SIA, or other sites that took bets, that WWE.COM results are official for grading, like NFL.COM is for NFL props, there would be no controversy. There would also not be an opportunity to take a shot at players playing long odds bets like Cole was(shocked the MIZ was ever +1000, HORRID line). They treated both "controversial" results the same, so they were at least consistent. Unfortunately, I think his wording has you.
Rock "restarted" the match. He was not an official, nor had any "official" authority to do so, so by their vague wording, they can do whatever the hell they want in situations like this, which are quite common in the World of Sports Entertainment. It's probably also why 5D takes far bigger limits on these bets then other sites that take action. I remember The Greek used to take only $50 limits, but didn't monkey around with wording like this.

[soxwin1917]

KEdge is one of the most reasonable posters I've seen around here in a while. I hope you keep visiting even after this issue is resolved.

[rsigley]

this is ridiculous, i was hoping for lines on raw tonight and now it won't happen because you can't read!!!!!

[brumbies]

I remember The Greek used to take only $50 limits, but didn't monkey around with wording like this.

The Greek used to offer Wrestlemania lines?

[drfunkmaster]

If they graded it as a win, 5dimes would be have to pay alot of wagers out... and i guess they were looking for an excuse not to, and used the double count out as the excuse. it should be counted as a win.. thats for sure. The ring announcer said it!

[QuantumLeap]

Yet another reason 5Dimes scares me = Tony.

I have read nothing but bad things about this fella.

He is the main reason I won't bet at 5dimes any more. That whole place just looks for a reason to screw the bettor out of money or else slow-pay people as has been chronicled on this web site and others many times before. It's not worth the hassle.

You see, Tony is tough with people trying to take advantage of 5dimes so the owner loves him for not bowing down to those people. However, he is also unfair to honest people as well.

You see this type of behavior all over the place in the business world. If a Manager is making the numbers for the boss then the boss doesn't give a shit how that Manager treats customers or employees. That's the bottom line.

[TheGuesser]

The Greek used to offer Wrestlemania lines?

Not only Wrestlemania, but Every PPV, Raw, and TNA Impact(before the Impact taping). I was told they stopped because they developed an unusually large clientle from Stanford, CT, WWE HQ site, that was taking the free money. I follow the stuff intently, and I was probably barely above break even. It was lots of fun for the low limits. Their prop guy Chris is, or at least was, a big Wrestling fan and set good lines. I wish they still had it.

[durito]

He is the main reason I won't bet at 5dimes any more. That whole place just looks for a reason to screw the bettor out of money or else slow-pay people as has been chronicled on this web site and others many times before. It's not worth the hassle.

You see, Tony is tough with people trying to take advantage of 5dimes so the owner loves him for not bowing down to those people. However, he is also unfair to honest people as well.

You see this type of behavior all over the place in the business world. If a Manager is making the numbers for the boss then the boss doesn't give a shit how that Manager treats customers or employees. That's the bottom line.

tony is the owner

[Optional]

Hope you get some satisfaction KEdge.

Did any other book grade this the same way Tony did?

If not, it sounds like he may have simply decided to take what he thought was an opportunity to steal from players.

Pretty sad if so, considering how many people have posted "he may be rude but he is fair" in these complaint threads.

[Rollins08]

Tony will never change a decision, thats because he thinks he's the greatest business man in the world. The fact is the reason 5dimes is so great is because of quick payouts, it has nothing to do with him. If he left tomorrow the quality would go up in the customer service department area. Why is the GM on chat all day anyway?

[LVHerbie]

Very shady that the narcissist owner gets to decide the match over some sort of official source... If you going to take bets on something like this you need something objective deciding the results... Clearly Tony isn't this... Seems the the correct result would be for SBR to rule against him just based the absurdity of the rule....

[Boscoe]

Hope you get some satisfaction KEdge.

Did any other book grade this the same way Tony did?

If not, it sounds like he may have simply decided to take what he thought was an opportunity to steal from players.

Pretty sad if so, considering how many people have posted "he may be rude but he is fair" in these complaint threads.

bodog and sportsinteraction both graded miz as the winner. those are the only other two that i know of that had wrestlemania lines up.

[firedawg]

lou i hope my complaint is being reviewed as well

[BOP24]

Betting on ******* wrestling. This is madness. How do you know some WWE scriptwriter isn't placing a few dollars on the outcome

[SBR Lou]

lou i hope my complaint is being reviewed as well

firedawg,

You were sent an e-mail last night, please check your spam box.

[Bill Dozer]

lou i hope my complaint is being reviewed as well

Hi FD, Unfortunately per the rules, yours is clear. It is the announcement at the time of the event.

Yes, yes, I know, its wrestling, its scripted, blah blah, but I think 5dimes has made an error in their grading of this event. I've talked to Tony but he won't budge on his stance. I have a Miz +1000 ticket that was graded as "cancelled" instead of as a winner as a result of Tony's decision. The rules, as quoted, for this type of event are as follows (taken from a chat with a 5dimes rep on live chat):

"Results will be graded/regraded based on the official result at ringside. A result may be revised or altered after initial presentation by the ring announcer. Results are not official for wagering purposes until verified by officials at the fighting venue. Official or unofficial sanctioning body overturns of a fight decision based on appeal, suspension, lawsuit, drug testing result, or any other fighter sanction will not be recognized for wagering purposes."

In this case, the match was originally announced by the ring announcer as a double count-out. However, the match was re-started (i.e. "revised or altered after initial presentation by the ring announcer") and the Miz was then announced the victor at the end of the night. WWE's own official website confirms that the Miz was the victor as well (i.e. "verified by officials at the fighting venue.") Despite this, Tony has made clear that his decision will stand as given that all bets on this match will be "cancelled". I attempted to talk with Tony about reconsidering his decision but he was not in the mood to discuss such an option.

Is there anyone here who can possibly help me? I'm a low-limit player and I've probably deposited around 2-3k over 3 years with 5dimes, and have never requested a payout. I'm your average degen gambler who was hoping to use my winnings from my Miz ticket to help me wager on baseball at 5dimes. I even suggested to Tony that perhaps he could grade my Miz ticket a winner and put a rollover requirement on it as a compromise position. He rejected this outright.

Hi Kedge,

We spoke to 5Dimes about the event. 5Dimes feels that the rule is clear and their rules say the official result is the one given by the official at the event. They added the middle part of the rule for cases where judges make an error in a boxing match not for re-dos like this. I see your point about the match being sort of replayed and the officials having a second official call in the ring. Here is the solution:

5Dimes will pay you for this win. The condition is your account would be closed after cashing you out. It's a hard stance that as a fan of 5Dimes you probably won't be happy with. But, the offer to have the funds in dispute is there.