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I have no idea how "WSEX sold MB" and frankly don't care and fail to see any relevance to anything I have been saying. As previously stated my understanding was that the two entities had some common ownership. That is a very different thing to saying one owned the other. Unless WSEX owned MB then there can be no "sale". But again, that is all totally irrelevant to what I have been saying which is all about MB under its current management.
I haven't lied about anything and you've totally (as in the past) failed to make any sort of case to support your accusation.
And I'd back my education against yours any day.Comment -
Your "understanding" is anything but. lol.Comment -
Well maybe Hareeba, if you just said "Their communication has really been awful" or anything to make it sound like you are nothing but a shill for these new owners youd sound a slight bit legit.
I guess their lawyers dont legally represent them? Im really confused as to how the lawyers settling a winner differs from MB settling a winner.Comment -
perhaps you should address that question to the lawyers who might just have a better handle on your crazy laws which they have to cope with than you are capable of
and you failed to answer my question about the end of March email from MB, but as I've not seen any more of your pathetic wailing on account of not having got it I presume they did as they said they would.Comment -
So are you saying that Matchbook should provide me information regarding contact of the lawyers? Because you also said they shouldnt provide me contact for the Antigan regulators who were originally supposed to handle this. So which one is it? They should or shouldnt provide me info? lol
And I have no idea what that last part of your message means. If you are asking if I have been paid my cash balance the answer is no. Originally they told me 21 days (and I take that as business days) from my request date. Which appears to be March 29. But not they have told me that I wont be receiving it in 21 days and just as soon as possible. Is that your question?Comment -
you seem to be having endless trouble with simple English
what is your native tongue ?
Never did I say anything like that they shouldn't provide you with contact details at the appropriate time. I said that both they and you have no need for that to happen until they send you the details of your futures for which the regulators were to be responsible.
Very simply the last part of my message was in relation to my question as to whether you received an email at the end of March, as MB said you could expect, advising of your futures bets and what was going to happen with them.
Maybe you can find a translator to assist you understanding this and most everything else I've been saying in regard to MB's payout of US customers?Comment -
It is. I've repeatedly proven how you cite "rules" that don't exist regarding safety of funds, you're repeated attempts to discredit SBR (not of an innocent mistake, but calling them outright liars/fabricators), and you're inability to provide basic logical responses.
In other news MB is now in full bore slowpay mode. Feel bad for those guys sweating mid six figs.Comment -
Hareeba, your love is Matchbook's management is just disgusting. They will not provide any contact information for the lawyers. They say all communication will go thru the new email address they set up - which is simply just a catchall to the current address or an edit to the domain settings. But a shill like you doesnt seem to get it. The reason they wont provide this information to who is supposedly holding my money now and who is supposedly going to be closing out by futures and who is supposedly going to be paying me - is because its all one in the same - its Matchbook.
Its quite apparent that all their legal recommendations (that change time and time again from the original brilliant decisions that you say they make) are nothing but a farse.
And yes I did get an email at the end of the month - and it DID NOT include anything it should have. There is no communication technique for whomever has my money. And instead of sticking to the 21 days they had been quoting for 31 days - they now say they have no idea when people will be getting paid - just as soon as possible!
So please lets give Matchbook credit! They sent an email at the end of March like they said they would!
He can provide no information on fund safety because there is no information out there. He knew nothing about the Antigan Regulators, He knows nothing about Matchbooks new management. Bottom line, any money in any book is not guaranteed to be saw.
And I would start to agree with the slow pay mode - as multiple people I know have reached and exceeded the original 21 days - and MB is now telling people they cant give a time frame - just as soon as possible.
But Hareeba got 64 payouts in the last 36 days!
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I just want to expose the truth. Hareeba claims things he can't possibly know and alleges SBR is lying. I don't know if SBR is telling the truth or not. They have made mistakes in the past and likely will in the future. I, however, restrict my quest for truth purely to things that I KNOW. Not things that I speculate on.
Hareeba can provide no proof for his comments because he's a liar. Matchy is in slowpay mode. Ship it.Comment -
so they have done what they said they would
you have been provided with the statement of outstanding wagers
you have a contact address
the majority have been paid
they aren't the only ones suffering from this US crap affecting processors
blame your crap government not the bookies
you will be paid
get over your silly paranoia
MB remains the world's second best exchangeComment -
If you are going to come out in support of that obnoxious little weed you now need to provide evidence of his allegations against me as clearly he isn't capable of doing so.
He can provide no information on fund safety because there is no information out there. He knew nothing about the Antigan Regulators, He knows nothing about Matchbooks new management. Bottom line, any money in any book is not guaranteed to be saw.
And I would start to agree with the slow pay mode - as multiple people I know have reached and exceeded the original 21 days - and MB is now telling people they cant give a time frame - just as soon as possible.
But Hareeba got 64 payouts in the last 36 days!
I never claimed to know anything about the Antiguan regulators as you keep saying other than that they are an agent of a government of a reputable country as as such I have no reason to distrust them.
And you're wrong again. I haven't received 64 payouts. Only 8. So much for "slow pay mode"Comment -
I'd be happy to help! Todd: Basically all posts by Hareeba! can be translated as follows. My name is Hareeba! and my mouth is full of MB's shaft. MB is always in the right no matter what they say and do and I will never answer any direct questions about my self-contradictory defenses of MB. It's because I love that shaft in my mouth so much that I can't bear the thought of it ending. You may think they're in slow-pay mode, but I happen to know for a fact they are in fast-thrust mode. On the advice of their Antiguan lawyers, MB does not even make me use a dental dam.Comment -
I trust you're feeling better now after unloading that heap of shit ?
Okay now I am prepared to directly answer (as I always have) any direct question you care to put about my allegedly self-contradictory defences .....
Are you capable of finding any such to ask me about ?Comment -
1) You claim to follow a certain set of rules regarding fund safety at certain books, but have no way to verify this. Lets propose a prop bet. You get information about the escrow level of three pinnacle accounts. We can bet 50k on this. If you cannot provide audited financial statements or do not accept my bet, I can only assume that you lack the means to verify this ergo invalidating your own self professed "rules".
2) Matchy has not paid players on time. How exactly can you pay 2 200k wires, but can't pay the others? Is there a 200k cap to wires in the US? Does a 200k wire raise less suspicion than a 500k wire?
Either way. Man don't got his money that they promised to him. Hope he gets it. Its a lot of guap.Comment -
Actually, No Hareeba, they havent. Everything you said is incorrect.
1) They have not provided a statement of open wagers. If you dont believe me - ask anyone else who has futures. I will be happy to copy you on my personal email chain with them if I had your email address.
2) I do not have any contact information for whomever has my money now
3) The majority HAVE NOT been paid - and there is now no time frame for anyone getting paid. Their ambiguous quote says "Your withdrawal will be processed in the coming weeks. We are unable to provide an accurate time frame at the moment but rest assured you will receive your funds as soon as possible."
This new management has done nothing, not a thing like they said they would. Remember when you said you couldnt wait for March 31st? Well guess what Hareeba, they still havent even eliminated the US accounts. I still can log in!
The NEW Matchbook Management - setting the standard for indecisiveness and ambiguity!
Why would you slow pay people who are still paying your commissions? Those would be the first people I would pay from my capital if I was in trouble.
And you are the one who provides no information is support of your "trust" and "fairness" statements. Because you are pulling them out of your ***!
Is that why I cant understand him half the time?
Hareeba is another who wont put his money where his mouth is. He cant provide any statements. He cant provide anything - but his word of mouth.
I am confident I will be paid one day. But its going to take a while, and I will never be provided correct information. From day 1, this company (and their brilliant lawyers) have not gotten one announcement correct without having to change something.Comment -
Not sure you can really call it a "set of rules" but certainly I have strongly advocated that all players satisfy themselves as best they can that the books they intend to bet with are properly funded and ensure that client funds are kept separate from their own.
I suspect that a large number of books, particularly those set up to attract US customers are not adequately funded and rely on their clients' deposits to pay their bills. Obviously that means that some or all clients have no way of being paid in full. Effectively they are technically insolvent and relying on doing a Ponzi.
I am fortunate in that not living in the US I can play at books where I know or have every reason to believe that they are adequately funded and segregate their own and their clients' money.
Those regulated in the UK and Australia obviously get my seal of approval on that score.
None of the books I maintain accounts with have any record of slow or no pay to the best of my knowledge.
You raise questions about Pinnacle. Ok, you are correct I have no way of knowing for sure that they do as I would hope they do. And you have no way of knowing that they don't adhere to my ideals on funds management.
But on their website they at least acknowledge the issue and say they do, at least to a certain extent. Added to that my observation is that never have I seen any suggestion of them failing to pay anyone promptly so I have every reason to believe that they are very soundly operated in terms of funds management.
And then there's Matchbook. Admittedly I have had less confidence in their capital and funds management practices than the other books I use extensively. However, once again their impeccable record of paying promptly has provided me with sufficient confidence to play there. I have however ensured that my balance doesn't exceed my short term requirements by making regular withdrawals.
Okay, since the new management has taken over and the huge number of US clients who have to be paid out there have for the first time been reports of Matchbook not paying their departing US customers in a timely manner. At this stage that isn't concerning me as I'm putting it down to just the sheer volume, processor difficulties and sundry issues which always arise in a takeover scenario.
None of this or anything else I've had to say on these issues constitutes "lies" which you have continually accused me of and failed repeatedly to provide evidence to support.
As I said above, never has there been a single report that I'm aware of that they have ever failed to pay a regular withdrawal promptly. And that has certainly been my own experience both before and since the change of ownership.
I have already conceded that some departing US players have not yet been paid. And as I've said I would expect that justifiable excuses are responsible for that and I have no cause to doubt that that will all soon been resolved.Comment -
Once again your difficultly with the English language appears to be causing you to get it all wrong.
So finally, after three responses since I asked the question as to whether you had received such a statement you now are saying that you haven't and accusing me of stating that you had!
Oh dear! Okay, so most rational people in the case of not having received what was promised them or some sort of explanation by a particular date would have been in contact to establish what is happening. I am guessing you've not done that.
Garbage!
Go back and read the communications you received a couple of weeks or so ago which advised an email address for use in relation to all enquiries about your futures wagers.
You have no way of knowing that to be a fact.
And neither do I but on reading the posts on this forum and in particular the lack of responses to Bill Dozer's request for those not paid to let him know so that he may follow them up on your behalf I would suggest you are very wrong once again.
Again, a rational person who had not been paid would respond to Bill but I can see that doesn't appear to apply to you.
The rest of your post is just mindless drivel and not worthy of a response.Comment -
I am still waiting...and hoping, but must admit my hope is dimming.Comment -
"you are correct I have no way of knowing for sure"
"None of this or anything else I've had to say on these issues constitutes "lies" which you have continually accused me of and failed repeatedly to provide evidence to support."
lolololololololololComment -
I can factually state that people I know on a first hand basis who've told me about their payouts have all been paid sans 1. His balance comprises 90+% of the funds held there by people I know.Comment -
You have to be the biggest shill Ive ever dealt with.
Once again your difficultly with the English language appears to be causing you to get it all wrong.
So finally, after three responses since I asked the question as to whether you had received such a statement you now are saying that you haven't and accusing me of stating that you had!
Oh dear! Okay, so most rational people in the case of not having received what was promised them or some sort of explanation by a particular date would have been in contact to establish what is happening. I am guessing you've not done that.
Garbage!
Go back and read the communications you received a couple of weeks or so ago which advised an email address for use in relation to all enquiries about your futures wagers.
You have no way of knowing that to be a fact.
And neither do I but on reading the posts on this forum and in particular the lack of responses to Bill Dozer's request for those not paid to let him know so that he may follow them up on your behalf I would suggest you are very wrong once again.
Again, a rational person who had not been paid would respond to Bill but I can see that doesn't appear to apply to you.
The rest of your post is just mindless drivel and not worthy of a response.
Go back and read. I said I have received NOTHING but an email stating that I WOULD NOT even be getting my cash balance in the 21 days as originaly promised. Yes, they gave me an alternate email address @matchbook.com! Is that what got you all sticky? A new email address? No statement, no new contact information for whoever has the money - the same thing Ive been saying for days.
My 21 says are not up, Hareeba. As MOST peoples arent. Only goes back to if you requested before March 9th. I have no reason to contact the SBR. I still feel I will get paid by Matchbook. But their stlye is appauling.
But please.. links to the masses that have been paid would be great.
Probably other things he can do personally but not that!Comment -
so that's as much as you are able to contribute ?
not able to refute anything I've posted
no evidence to support any of your claims that I've lied about anything
the more appropriate challenge would be that we put up our cash and let Justin decide whether I've lied about this or notComment -
"Not sure you can really call it a "set of rules" but certainly I have strongly advocated that all players satisfy themselves as best they can that the books they intend to bet with are properly funded and ensure that client funds are kept separate from their own."
Rampant hypocrisy would be a more apt term since you're denying that what you've advised in the past were "rules" or "guidelines" but now it seems to be general advice. How exactly do you satisfy yourself? You've said you have no actual clue about non-regulated locales, so apparently ignorance is enough for you.
NO ******* EVIDENCE = all the evidence you require. Lets see where you commented on that part: "Ok, you are correct I have no way of knowing for sure that they do as I would hope they do."
No way of knowing. Hrm. Sounds conclusive to me. Go shill somewhere else.Comment -
Honoring the futures for all is the right move. Free withdrawal for anyone who cashed out since this started is also the right move. Regardless of who Matchbook needs to manage their money to support their legal position, they will still be judged and responsible for the payout of winning futures. They tell us it will not be an issue.
Anyone who has Qs about their account can have SBR inquire for them. Continued feedback is appreciated.Comment -
Great Bill, thanks for the feedback.
From the time I started this thread, I said I was confident I would be paid by MATCHBOOK.
* What originally bothered me is how they keep changing the parameters and cant seem to get anything right. Originally they said only ********** But I under the ***** minimum. Finally they said they can process to a **** with a ****/**** ****, as I only use ****.
* Regarding the futures, First they said they would close my futures and pay me - which I went back and forth with them about in email and was completely fine with them closing them. They promised me that I would get a more than fair price.
* Then the about face - and telling me they would remain open - AND be handed off to some Antiguan agency that no one can provide any solid information about really bothered me. And that
* And to make things worse - they said at that point that only ONE withdrawal would be made at the close of my futures. So I would need to wait to get both the cash and futures at some other date.
* They then changed that policy to state that a **** withdrawal and then a second withdrawal when futures closed would be processed. **** balances would be paid out within 21 (and I assumed business days) days of the request date.
* Next they say they are not using this Antiguan Regulation thing - and passing the accounts to some lawyers to some lawyers as of March 31 instead.
* They then promised an email on April 1st with an account statement, etc. The only thing that came in that email was a new email address to contact them at, still @matchbook.com
* And then the most current comment from Matchbook telling me they can give me no time frame for when I will get the cash portion of my balance "Your withdrawal will be processed in the coming weeks. We are unable to provide an accurate time frame at the moment but rest assured you will receive your funds as soon as possible."
From the beginning, this has been nothing but a circus. This new management and their so called legal advisors dont seem to have much of a clue. Hence the reason they must have wanted an email interview with you as opposed to a direct one. Their live help and email correspondence are completely ambiguous.
I still feel I will get paid by them - but later rather than sooner. They could have done a much better job with communication - and getting ANYTHING correct without giving out false information.Comment -
lol. Your words: "put up or shut up"Comment
