Yea put up an offer to try and save 1% and then as soon as pinny moves against you get swept if pinny moves in your favor you get 0 matched, very good opportunity there
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KGambler
SBR MVP
07-09-09
2404
#212
Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
Yea put up an offer to try and save 1% and then as soon as pinny moves against you get swept if pinny moves in your favor you get 0 matched, very good opportunity there
Squares are gonna lose money no matter where they bet. Have fun laying -110.
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bettilimbroke999
SBR Posting Legend
02-04-08
13254
#213
Im a square but at least my book lets me deposit
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KGambler
SBR MVP
07-09-09
2404
#214
Have some patience and you can deposit at MB as well. Yes, it would take 10-14 days for an electronic check or a bank transfer to clear. That doesn't mean you have to go run and put your money in a -110 book.
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bettilimbroke999
SBR Posting Legend
02-04-08
13254
#215
Is having to plan to bet 14 days in advance reasonable? When every other book in the world has instant deposit options
Dont ya think maybe they need something a little better to attract normal gamblers
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KGambler
SBR MVP
07-09-09
2404
#216
Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
Is having to plan to bet 14 days in advance reasonable? When every other book in the world has instant deposit options
Dont ya think maybe they need something a little better to attract normal gamblers
They have to have a different business model from the regular books. The regular books can afford to devote a lot of resources to instant deposit methods, because their vig is so onerous that they are just printing money. Their typical customer is just going to get creamed by the vig, especially because they are doing dumb shit like placing 5 team parlays, mis-using teasers, etc.
Matchbook is an exchange which charges very low commissions. Would it be worth it to allow people to ** $100? First off, they would need to pass the costs of the transaction on to the customer. How would the typical square feel if he WUed $100 and had $90 in his account with $10 of commission credits? The typical dumbass square would think he was getting cheated by MB, because he doesn't even understand how much money he would save by using an exchange.
Now you gotta think about the infrastructure they would need and the costs associated with that... They would have to pay a third party to organize all of those money pickups in Nicarauga. Can they pass these costs on to the customer as well?
It seems they are missing out on a lot of smallish customers by not having ** or **, but whether or not they should add it is not the complete slam dunk it sounds like. I think they should offer these types of deposits, and just hit the customer with all of the associated cost. And give them this same amount in commission credits. But maybe the typical dumbass square would rather just ** $100 to HIGHVIG.com, because then he sees $100 in his account.
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Chuck Sims
SBR MVP
12-29-05
3072
#217
Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
Yea put up an offer to try and save 1% and then as soon as pinny moves against you get swept if pinny moves in your favor you get 0 matched, very good opportunity there
Don't be such a square.
Yesterday--HT on the Dallas/Knicks
Bet Phoenix Dallas +2.5 -105
Matchbook Knicks -2.5 +117
These kind of lines are available all the time.
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todd73nj
SBR Wise Guy
08-09-08
824
#218
MB actually has one of the best deposit methods - instant deposit. 4-6 Business days. Ive never had one take longer than that.
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hhsilver
SBR Hall of Famer
06-07-07
7375
#219
as vanzack said earlier , the big change came 2 years ago when the commission structure changed. Before that change it was easy to get your offer accepted and you had more attractive offers available for you to accept, all day and not just in the last hour or so before game time. I am talking about ncaab, for example, and not a special event like the super bowl.
ncaab is a ghost town so far this year.
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austintx05
SBR MVP
08-24-06
3156
#220
guys, I'm pro matchbook. Always have been. Before the pinnacle/neteller fiasco my 3 books were pinnacle, matchbook, mansion. I realize the importance of low juice, right now I'm lookin to get down on MIami -5 and Orlando -5.5. I see em goin up but right now MB has an offer on Mia -5 -119 for $238 and Orl -5.5 -108 for a whopping $32. Seeing for the US players where pinnacle isn't an option, and there isn't much going on @ mb especially on overnights. I don't know of any other options than the betjm, greek, bookmaker, etc.
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Hareeba!
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
07-01-06
37301
#221
Originally posted by murraycod
Be wary of any service that Lo Kai Kwan is connected with.
ITS Insider.biz, theadvantageplayer.info, NysportsAdvisors.com are 3 of his sites.
and Matchbook ?
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Nicky Santoro
SBR Posting Legend
04-08-08
16103
#222
Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
Yea put up an offer to try and save 1% and then as soon as pinny moves against you get swept if pinny moves in your favor you get 0 matched, very good opportunity there
that's exactly what i've been telling the boys here and no one listens. not all the time, but 90% of the time, if your offer gets accepted and it's now 8 cents better than pinny, don't get too excited yet. just peak at pinny closer and you'll see how you now have a -ev bet.. pinny moves all the time 5-20 min after matchy.
and when your offer of +126 doesn't get matched, it's because the line went in your favor and now you have to put up a new offer +121..
and also, when you bet at matchy a game at +4 +104 and pinny is currently +4 -105, dont' think you got a great deal yet cause in 10 min, pinny will be +4 +105 and you are stuck with +4 +104 at matchy.. matchy is tough to beat.. you have to be on your toes at all times and don't fall for those traps.
austin,
you brought back great memories with Mansion. my all time fav book.. boy do i miss that book. best book of all time. the prices i was getting there was a dream. if they stayed in business, i'd have an extra 1.5 million.. I miss mansion..i can't believe in the last 5 yrs, no book has come along to replace them..
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andywend
SBR MVP
05-20-07
4805
#223
Your case is an obvious case of a "malicious offer" but the question, as always, would be where do you draw the line? To my knowledge no exchange has ever intervened in such a way and have taken the view that it is the user's responsibility to avoid "brain farts".
There are people @ Matchbook who do nothing but place these "malicious offers" on live events in hopes that live game traders make a mistake and fill them.
Anyone who has ever traded an event live knows that "in the heat of battle" where you need to place orders very quickly, it is quite common to make mistakes with order entry and the HUMAN GARBAGE that places these malicious offers have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
The reason why they keep doing it is because they are making money at it.
These FLEAS offer nothing to the exchange and have no interest whatsoever at trading anywhere near fair value. Their sole purpose is to try and catch other trader mistakes and Matchbook needs to ban them from the exchange.
Its very easy for Matchbook to look up trader histories and they need to do something about this serious problem. I had plenty of back and forth correspondence with Maurice at Matchbook about this very issue over a year ago and he told me that any trader who does this will be banned from the exchange.
Obviously, this is not happening.
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austintx05
SBR MVP
08-24-06
3156
#224
Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
that's exactly what i've been telling the boys here and no one listens. not all the time, but 90% of the time, if your offer gets accepted and it's now 8 cents better than pinny, don't get too excited yet. just peak at pinny closer and you'll see how you now have a -ev bet.. pinny moves all the time 5-20 min after matchy.
and when your offer of +126 doesn't get matched, it's because the line went in your favor and now you have to put up a new offer +121..
and also, when you bet at matchy a game at +4 +104 and pinny is currently +4 -105, dont' think you got a great deal yet cause in 10 min, pinny will be +4 +105 and you are stuck with +4 +104 at matchy.. matchy is tough to beat.. you have to be on your toes at all times and don't fall for those traps.
austin,
you brought back great memories with Mansion. my all time fav book.. boy do i miss that book. best book of all time. the prices i was getting there was a dream. if they stayed in business, i'd have an extra 1.5 million.. I miss mansion..i can't believe in the last 5 yrs, no book has come along to replace them..
it's been so long since I played at mansion I don't even remember the commission structure. Wasn't it better than MB's old structure?
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Hareeba!
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
07-01-06
37301
#225
Originally posted by andywend
There are people @ Matchbook who do nothing but place these "malicious offers" on live events in hopes that live game traders make a mistake and fill them.
Anyone who has ever traded an event live knows that "in the heat of battle" where you need to place orders very quickly, it is quite common to make mistakes with order entry and the HUMAN GARBAGE that places these malicious offers have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
The reason why they keep doing it is because they are making money at it.
These FLEAS offer nothing to the exchange and have no interest whatsoever at trading anywhere near fair value. Their sole purpose is to try and catch other trader mistakes and Matchbook needs to ban them from the exchange.
Its very easy for Matchbook to look up trader histories and they need to do something about this serious problem. I had plenty of back and forth correspondence with Maurice at Matchbook about this very issue over a year ago and he told me that any trader who does this will be banned from the exchange.
Obviously, this is not happening.
exactly the same thing happens on every exchange
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jizay
SBR Wise Guy
08-07-09
975
#226
Originally posted by Hareeba!
exactly the same thing happens on every exchange
Bigger problem at Matchy. The buy one side or buy the other, as opposed to buy/sell, lends itself to this sort of abuse. If FV for one side is 98, I can bid 2 and have the other side show 98. Now, if you fat finger, you make an error of maximum size. If the contract was buy/sell, a la tradesports, intrade, and betfair I guess in Euro odds, then there is no way to exploit things to that level. If the contract is worth 98, what are you gonna do, ask for 99? Conversely, if I'm willing to sell at 2, what are you gonna do, bid 1?
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Fishhead
SBR Aristocracy
08-11-05
40179
#227
Originally posted by Chuck Sims
Don't be such a square.
Yesterday--HT on the Dallas/Knicks
Bet Phoenix Dallas +2.5 -105 Matchbook Knicks -2.5 +117
These kind of lines are available all the time.
Exactly
Gotta love these posters that say they have no need for Matchbook.
..
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sdtrader
SBR Wise Guy
01-23-09
536
#228
Why does it take so long to cancel an order sometimes? This is especially cruital during the live betting I went to cancel an order and it was frozen for like 30 sec. Of course someone on Bos hit a 3 and it got filled. This may be why people are afraid to put orders out during live betting.
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Hareeba!
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
07-01-06
37301
#229
Originally posted by sdtrader
Why does it take so long to cancel an order sometimes? This is especially cruital during the live betting I went to cancel an order and it was frozen for like 30 sec. Of course someone on Bos hit a 3 and it got filled. This may be why people are afraid to put orders out during live betting.
yeah their software is their worst feature
I don't play live but I understand that there is a delay deliberately built in?
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todd73nj
SBR Wise Guy
08-09-08
824
#230
Originally posted by andywend
There are people @ Matchbook who do nothing but place these "malicious offers" on live events in hopes that live game traders make a mistake and fill them.
Anyone who has ever traded an event live knows that "in the heat of battle" where you need to place orders very quickly, it is quite common to make mistakes with order entry and the HUMAN GARBAGE that places these malicious offers have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
The reason why they keep doing it is because they are making money at it.
These FLEAS offer nothing to the exchange and have no interest whatsoever at trading anywhere near fair value. Their sole purpose is to try and catch other trader mistakes and Matchbook needs to ban them from the exchange.
Its very easy for Matchbook to look up trader histories and they need to do something about this serious problem. I had plenty of back and forth correspondence with Maurice at Matchbook about this very issue over a year ago and he told me that any trader who does this will be banned from the exchange.
Obviously, this is not happening.
In no way am I supporting people putting up those prices - but they in no way effect the fact that people are not trading. If people were trading you wouldnt even see their prices. And honestly - without the bogus prices listed - there might be none at all.
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Hareeba!
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
07-01-06
37301
#231
Originally posted by todd73nj
In no way am I supporting people putting up those prices - but they in no way effect the fact that people are not trading. If people were trading you wouldnt even see their prices. And honestly - without the bogus prices listed - there might be none at all.
that's odd, I've bet about $20k there this week at the best prices available anywhere .. how do you suppose that's possible?
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Stacocakes
SBR Hall of Famer
04-10-08
7126
#232
NBA in-game betting is really hit or miss. I've had some situations as someone mentioned above where you try to cancel an offer and it takes quite a bit longer then usual to cancel it and some of it ends up getting filled. To avoid that I usually just try to put up offers during the commercial breaks so I won't get burned. The offers I put up are on par with the other live betting sites out there but on matchbook I get matched maybe 20% of the time. NCAAB i've almost given up betting in-play entirely.
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Thremp
SBR MVP
07-23-07
2067
#233
Originally posted by KGambler
Squares are gonna lose money no matter where they bet. Have fun laying -110.
By my quick estimate, around 5% of my volume this year has been reduced vig.
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sdtrader
SBR Wise Guy
01-23-09
536
#234
I agree, I got lucky and even though I was pissed at the time that the order got filled my team still won. But in the future I will probably only leave open orders up during commerical breaks.
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KGambler
SBR MVP
07-09-09
2404
#235
Originally posted by Thremp
By my quick estimate, around 5% of my volume this year has been reduced vig.
That's OK. I like to bet stale lines as well.
I am talking about the "handicappers" who want to bet on a team and do it at the worst odds available. I am not talking about you taking advantage of some terribly run book which has an NBA game at +6 -110 when Pinny has +5 -106
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vanzack
SBR Sharp
12-16-06
478
#236
Originally posted by austintx05
[/i] it's been so long since I played at mansion I don't even remember the commission structure. Wasn't it better than MB's old structure?
I remember seeing the -103 on both sides of a spread, no matter what it really should have been.
Nobody loved mansion more than me. Those were the days. The 1k bonus on the Steelers Dolphins game?
Cant remember if they had commission either, but I remember betting limits at -103, and 2 minutes later betting the limit again and again.
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bracerman
SBR Sharp
01-07-11
469
#237
Originally posted by vanzack
The 1k bonus on the Steelers Dolphins game?
I still remember that like it was yesterday. What a dream. RIP Mansion
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bracerman
SBR Sharp
01-07-11
469
#238
Matchy definitely has its uses, but it can be real hit and miss. I some time yesterday looking for UFC lines, and the prices never got close to what the big books were offering
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austintx05
SBR MVP
08-24-06
3156
#239
vanzack, do you still play at matchbook? Just curious if their recent commission structure cause you to play elsewhere.
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KGambler
SBR MVP
07-09-09
2404
#240
Originally posted by bracerman
Matchy definitely has its uses, but it can be real hit and miss. I some time yesterday looking for UFC lines, and the prices never got close to what the big books were offering
That's weird. I would consider their UFC liquidity to be good the day of the fight. I managed to get many bets in yesterday, all at better odds than I could have gotten anywhere else. But I was monitoring the odds all day, which is probably the difference.
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bracerman
SBR Sharp
01-07-11
469
#241
Originally posted by KGambler
That's weird. I would consider their UFC liquidity to be good the day of the fight. I managed to get many bets in yesterday, all at better odds than I could have gotten anywhere else. But I was monitoring the odds all day, which is probably the difference.
Johnson +220
Silva -199
Rocha +275
Ellenberger -270
Matchy didn't come close to these.
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CaptainHindsight
SBR Rookie
01-04-11
20
#242
Originally posted by bracerman
Johnson +220 Silva -199 Rocha +275 Ellenberger -270 Matchy didn't come close to these.
Did you offer any of them?
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KGambler
SBR MVP
07-09-09
2404
#243
Originally posted by bracerman
Johnson +220
Silva -199
Rocha +275
Ellenberger -270
Matchy didn't come close to these.
Wrong.
Ellenberger was available at -264 for a very long time. I know because I was the one making the offer. I was able to bet $3,799.26 on Rocha at +264, which was better than I could have gotten anywhere else at the time. Again, just another real world example from someone who actually uses MB.
And you want Rocha at +275 and Ellenberger at -270? And they fought each other? Yeah, I would love an exchange like that as well.
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KGambler
SBR MVP
07-09-09
2404
#244
Originally posted by bracerman
Johnson +220
Silva -199
Rocha +275
Ellenberger -270
Matchy didn't come close to these.
And who does "Johnson +220" refer to?
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ArunSh
SBR Hall of Famer
09-24-07
6801
#245
Rather disappointing how terrible the liquidity has been on College Basketball, even near game time. Hopefully it picks up a bit with football over now...