Don't Let Matchbook Die!

[todd73nj]

Liquidity pre game is great - equal to whatever it was years ago.


Liquidity during a live game is GONE - Non-Existant. There is no decline. Its just not there.


If someone wants to prove that otherwise... Why not video your screen as you trade ANY live NBA/NCAA basketball game?

There will be 3 more good live markets in the next three months - AFC, NFC and Superbowl. Then a spotty baseball game or two a week.

[Doug]

Liquidity pre game is great - equal to whatever it was years ago.


Liquidity during a live game is GONE - Non-Existant. There is no decline. Its just not there.


If someone wants to prove that otherwise... Why not video your screen as you trade ANY live NBA/NCAA basketball game?

There will be 3 more good live markets in the next three months - AFC, NFC and Superbowl. Then a spotty baseball game or two a week.

This guy gets it....

I don't want to see MB fail, but they already did !

[todd73nj]

Even if I take all that is offered on a side of a game (pre-game of course) - within a few mins - there will be more.. moved slightly up in price. So obviously there are market makers making money on the difference and evening out.

I dont want to see MB fail either - I hate gambling on a regular book. I want to trade in-game. Thats where the money is.

[Nicky Santoro]

Example:

Detroit +5 is -110 at TheGreek.
Detroit +5 is +108 at Matchbook. There's also 11k at Detroit +5 @ +107.

-110 or +108?
Choice is yours..

Tommy boy, you got it all wrong..that's the problem with matchy. if +5+108 is avail and you take it, you can be sure that line will go to +5 +112 soon.. and if you put up an offer of +5 +109, it will only get matched if line is going to +5 +112, and when it don't get matched, it's because it's +5 +105 now.... sometimes you are better off betting -5 -110 at The Greek at that moment cause 95% of the time, if you see a great line at matchy that's 19 cents better than Greek, something is up.

Did you see pinny BOS/LAL game yesterday?? perfect example.. Lakers -140 forever at pinny.. matchy has Bos +143.. so you'd think BOS +141 after commish is a great #, right?? no.. so i made bet at pinny -140 (which lost).. and then 15 min later, pinny went to -149 and matchy is offering BOS now is +146 at matchy..

so the people that took BOS +141 when pinny had -140 were laughing thinking they had a great #.. matchy is very sneaky tommy..

[Hareeba!]

Tommy boy, you got it all wrong..that's the problem with matchy. if +5+108 is avail and you take it, you can be sure that line will go to +5 +112 soon.. and if you put up an offer of +5 +109, it will only get matched if line is going to +5 +112, and when it don't get matched, it's because it's +5 +105 now.... sometimes you are better off betting -5 -110 at The Greek at that moment cause 95% of the time, if you see a great line at matchy that's 19 cents better than Greek, something is up.

how can you ever be better off taking -5 -110 rather than -5 +108 (less 1% comm.) regardless of what happens with the line after that?

[Nicky Santoro]

how can you ever be better off taking -5 -110 rather than -5 +108 (less 1% comm.) regardless of what happens with the line after that?

buddy, wake up.. when was the line ever -5 +108?? it's +5 +108 at matchy.. or -5 -111 the other side after commish OR -5 -110 at thegreek..

[Hareeba!]

buddy, wake up.. when was the line ever -5 +108?? it's +5 +108 at matchy.. or -5 -111 the other side after commish OR -5 -110 at thegreek..

yeah, typo, I meant +5 +108
seems I must be misreading your post as it looks like you are saying that was the available price at MB?

Originally Posted by Nicky Santoro
Tommy boy, you got it all wrong..that's the problem with matchy. if +5+108 is avail and you take it, you can be sure that line will go to +5 +112 soon.. and if you put up an offer of +5 +109, it will only get matched if line is going to +5 +112, and when it don't get matched, it's because it's +5 +105 now.... sometimes you are better off betting -5 -110 at The Greek at that moment cause 95% of the time, if you see a great line at matchy that's 19 cents better than Greek, something is up.

[Nicky Santoro]

yeah, typo, I meant +5 +108
seems I must be misreading your post as it looks like you are saying that was the available price at MB?

ok so you want to kwow why it's not always smart to bet the +5 +108 when the line is currently -5-110?? cause in most cases, if you jump on the +5 +108, that line will become +5 +114 soon.. so now that you think your +5 +108 is a great deal at that moment, it won't be by tip off.

That's why you got to always be on your toes at matchy.

[Hareeba!]

ok so you want to kwow why it's not always smart to bet the +5 +108 when the line is currently -5-110?? cause in most cases, if you jump on the +5 +108, that line will become +5 +114 soon.. so now that you think your +5 +108 is a great deal at that moment, it won't be by tip off.

That's why you got to always be on your toes at matchy.

yeah mate, fully comprehend that thanks but it did seem to me that you were saying it may be better to take -5 -110 when you could take +5 +108 which I'm sure we both agree is quite absurd

[Nicky Santoro]

yeah mate, fully comprehend that thanks but it did seem to me that you were saying it may be better to take -5 -110 when you could take +5 +108 which I'm sure we both agree is quite absurd

NO, it's not absurd.. IF matchy has +5 +109 for 32,000 available.. and greek has -5 -110, i'd probably run to greek on most occasions and bet -5 -110 there. there's a reason why matchy is offering 32,000 on +5 +108, just like yesterday when they had BOS +143 for as much as you want.. and pinny had LAL -140 at same time..

14 min later, pinny went to -149, and matchy had Bos +146. this don't happen all the time, but happens a lot. you have to be on your toes.

btw, i am going out on a limb and say you are from Australia. the land down under. Sydney..

[Chuck Sims]

My Wizards +10 -108 offer was accepted earlier today. Bet Phoenix had Wiz +9.5 -110 at the time.

Hey Nicky I see the best offer hours later is Wiz +10 -108. Let me know when the line blows past -108 on the way down.

[Hareeba!]

NO, it's not absurd.. IF matchy has +5 +109 for 32,000 available.. and greek has -5 -110, i'd probably run to greek on most occasions and bet -5 -110 there. there's a reason why matchy is offering 32,000 on +5 +108, just like yesterday when they had BOS +143 for as much as you want.. and pinny had LAL -140 at same time..

14 min later, pinny went to -149, and matchy had Bos +146. this don't happen all the time, but happens a lot. you have to be on your toes.

btw, i am going out on a limb and say you are from Australia. the land down under. Sydney..

obviously talking at cross purposes here - I thought you were talking about betting the same side - not the other one!

Oz yep, Syd no

[todd73nj]

All this talk of lines.. but yet nothing in game. Dont any of you guys trade in game?

[fsutomahawk]

You just can't get down a decent amount on games that aren't big games anymore. I was looking at some college hoops games and most didn't even have 2,500 total on them. If somebody comes in and grabs some of that and you wanted to get a few dimes down you are screwed. The juice isn't even low enough on spreads on some of those games to make it worth it either. Just really a shame how this book has fallen. I really used to love it.

[Nicky Santoro]

My Wizards +10 -108 offer was accepted earlier today. Bet Phoenix had Wiz +9.5 -110 at the time.

Hey Nicky I see the best offer hours later is Wiz +10 -108. Let me know when the line blows past -108 on the way down.

great job.. it's all about timing and usually for me, i put in some bets in the aft, but for some reason, not today. damn, i had to step out. too bad cause if i bet in the aft, i would have had WASH +10.. instead, i still got a great # and had it at +9.5 -102.. game closed at +9.5 -116 at pinny. and guess what final was?? they lose by 10.

that cost me.. and to add insult to injury for me. with a few secs left, DAL let the WASH player in for the easy lay up to end the game and the cover for me.. but that asshole passes it outside for the 3 pt miss.. if he gets it, game is over and they lose by 8.

oh well, tomorrow's a new day.

[Chuck Sims]

great job.. it's all about timing and usually for me, i put in some bets in the aft, but for some reason, not today. damn, i had to step out. too bad cause if i bet in the aft, i would have had WASH +10.. instead, i still got a great # and had it at +9.5 -102.. game closed at +9.5 -116 at pinny. and guess what final was?? they lose by 10.

that cost me.. and to add insult to injury for me. with a few secs left, DAL let the WASH player in for the easy lay up to end the game and the cover for me.. but that asshole passes it outside for the 3 pt miss.. if he gets it, game is over and they lose by 8.

oh well, tomorrow's a new day.

I watched it too. Tough loss for sure on +9.5.

[Chuck Sims]

This guy gets it....

I don't want to see MB fail, but they already did !

Doug, I make my living at Matchbook. Live betting is okay. M casino in Las Vegas has live betting. The place was empty during some of their MLB live betting. Live betting is still new to bettors.

Surprised you would say it was dead. I made a nice score on the Pro Bowl Over 66.5 +147 during live betting. NFC -780 when they were leading 28-0.

[Johnnythunder]

Its a great book and more deposit and payment method will cure their ills

[todd73nj]

Doug, I make my living at Matchbook. Live betting is okay. M casino in Las Vegas has live betting. The place was empty during some of their MLB live betting. Live betting is still new to bettors.

Surprised you would say it was dead. I made a nice score on the Pro Bowl Over 66.5 +147 during live betting. NFC -780 when they were leading 28-0.

Chuck,

Not trying to be an asshole.. but what is a nice score? $200? $300?

There was no liquidity in game for the pro bowl. I attempted to trade that over/under when the under looked like a sure winner in the 1st quarter. There were no takers to buy under - but you made a nice score? I was on those markets into the 3rd quarter when there was nothing left to trade due to the total and side being decided.

I cant tell you how many hours I have wasted trying to trade games live. You sit there.. know what position you want... no one takes your prices or posts their own. It an embarassment.

I use two books right now, Matchbook and 5dimes - and Ive been a live game trader back to the days of Tradesports - but Matchbook is a joke right now. Its easier to just put my bet in on 5dimes and not even attempt to trade live.

Ive asked all the guys who claim live trading is decent (Im not even asking for it to be great - I could live with decent!) to video their screen as they trade a game. Id love to see what Im missing.

[antifoil]

why don't you just scalp the -140, +143 lines?

[austin]

why don't you just scalp the -140, +143 lines?

waist of time for some pennies

[frognose20]

I love matchbook. Would hate betting without it

[HedgeHog]

Do you think MB will have decent liquidity for Baseball like last year?

[Chuck Sims]

todd73nj, I won around $650 on the total and $100 on the NFC.

What are your limits at 5Dimes? Mine is $250 for live betting. Most of the time the line has moved when I attempt to make a wager so I end up not making a wager there.

The liquidity during the pro bowl was poor but certainly not dead.

[Nicky Santoro]

matchy was great yesterday and really weird. all my hockey offers were matched at 9 cents better than pinny, and when they got matched, i expected pinny to adjust, but it went in my favor and closed even higher than i had at matchy. this is weird. it's like different groups are taking offers now.. i love it.

also, the celtics game. it got matched for a large amount at matchy at -6 -104, and pinny kept moving the line towards bos and it closed at pinny at -6.5 -105. if only matchy was like this each day. who knows, maybe it will from now on..
oh, and did you see how it ended in bos? i almost puked my brains out. what a way to lose a big bet and the last one of the night, too.. i've been losing a ton like these lately.. oh well, it will all even out.. at least i hope so...

[todd73nj]

matchy was great yesterday...

It sucked yesterday in my opinion... Not one live game had any sort of a market. Yes, I checked and checked and wasted my time.

Chuck - Ive honestly never played live anywhere but Matchbook (and Tradesports). I have no clue what my live limts are but I will check. Im just not into that style of live betting. I like the anytime action that MB and TS offered. But there is just nothing there now. And its so disappointing. This is where I made my money.

No one here is a 60-70% or better winner. Unless you are adding in some huge ML favorites. The opportunity to make money without hitting 60% is in game. And right now the only place with markets is BetFair. Its disgusting to watch a college basketball game have constant markets on a site that doesnt even cater to the country where the game is being played. And not like its the final four. Its a meaninless game in early Feb.

Players who play on BetFair - since they arent governed by our stupid laws - have all of the same funding options available on Matchbook as they do on BetFair. But MB just cant compete

[KGambler]

Live betting is to todd73nj as 5Dimes is to richb7a.

[bettilimbroke999]

This guy gets it....

I don't want to see MB fail, but they already did !

Exactly, matchbook flatlined 2 years ago, shovel the dirt on this failed book and move on, they dont even have deposit options except for book to book so basically you have to deposit into another book and rollover your deposit at that book just so you can transfer the money over to play at matchbook, thats so fukin ridiculous its hard to even believe thats their only option of getting money in the site in less than 3 weeks but it is

RIP Matchy

[Hareeba!]

Exactly, matchbook flatlined 2 years ago, shovel the dirt on this failed book and move on, they dont even have deposit options except for book to book so basically you have to deposit into another book and rollover your deposit at that book just so you can transfer the money over to play at matchbook, thats so fukin ridiculous its hard to even believe thats their only option of getting money in the site in less than 3 weeks but it is

RIP Matchy

not everyone has trouble getting money in and out of there within 24 hours

let's hope they fix that problem for all soon because they are by far the best place to be betting on US sports

[bettilimbroke999]

I havent played at matchy in months but I went on there a couple days ago thinking about depositing and their only reasonable option GP was somehow removed from the deposit list, I mean fuk they had one reasonable option but decided to get rid of it, do they really expect to stay in business with only b2b transfers allowed for deposits?

You've basically got only pros left (most just trying to arb a couple cents or scalp a 1/2 pt and pray for a miracle) that still put up with matchbooks shit, no real gambler would even bother just to save 2 cents on a line

[Hareeba!]

I havent played at matchy in months but I went on there a couple days ago thinking about depositing and their only reasonable option GP was somehow removed from the deposit list, I mean fuk they had one reasonable option but decided to get rid of it, do they really expect to stay in business with only b2b transfers allowed for deposits?

You've basically got only pros left (most just trying to arb a couple cents or scalp a 1/2 pt and pray for a miracle) that still put up with matchbooks shit, no real gambler would even bother just to save 2 cents on a line

not everyone is American and subject to those stupid restrictive laws
Moneybookers works brilliantly for the rest of us

and one can save a good deal more than 2c betting there .. multiply even 2c by a few thousand daily and you won't beat that anywhere

[bettilimbroke999]

not everyone is American and subject to those stupid restrictive laws
Moneybookers works brilliantly for the rest of us

and one can save a good deal more than 2c betting there .. multiply even 2c by a few thousand daily and you won't beat that anywhere

What % of gamblers legitimately bet 1000s of dollars a day? Matchbook might be worth trying for about 1% of sports gamblers, which in large part are just arbers looking to arb 2 cents on big bets but hell with their fuked up new commission structure some kid with down's syndrome suggested 2 years ago even the arbers cant make shit at matchy bc they bet 5500 at -110 at matchy and 5000 at +112 at some other site but have to pay a 50 fee at matchy so team a wins they get 5000 back but lose 50 bucks in fees, team b wins they lose 5550 (5500 + 50 fees) but win 5600 at the other book so they are essentially just betting 50 to win 50 on a team thats +112 when they could just bet 50 bucks to win 56 straight at the other book

[Optional]

Every time this thread pops back up at the top of the new posts list it's like a reminder that Matchbook is dieing. A shame, considering the intentions of it.

[KGambler]

all my hockey offers were matched at 9 cents better than pinny, and when they got matched, i expected pinny to adjust, but it went in my favor and closed even higher than i had at matchy. this is weird. it's like different groups are taking offers now.. i love it.

also, the celtics game. it got matched for a large amount at matchy at -6 -104, and pinny kept moving the line towards bos and it closed at pinny at -6.5 -105.

None of this seems at all surprising to me. Many people who use MB on a daily basis have been saying this throughout the thread... liquidity is pretty good for most sports.

A really good thing about SBRodds is that when you make an offer on MB, anyone with SBRodds open can see it appear. There is no need for them to constantly comb through MB's site.

[Hareeba!]

What % of gamblers legitimately bet 1000s of dollars a day? Matchbook might be worth trying for about 1% of sports gamblers, which in large part are just arbers looking to arb 2 cents on big bets but hell with their fuked up new commission structure some kid with down's syndrome suggested 2 years ago even the arbers cant make shit at matchy bc they bet 5500 at -110 at matchy and 5000 at +112 at some other site but have to pay a 50 fee at matchy so team a wins they get 5000 back but lose 50 bucks in fees, team b wins they lose 5550 (5500 + 50 fees) but win 5600 at the other book so they are essentially just betting 50 to win 50 on a team thats +112 when they could just bet 50 bucks to win 56 straight at the other book

don't bother then until you work out how to use an exchange effectively

but I guess your nick saysitall