Win4real.com confiscates 90k in winnings

[king]

Where is the story about this issue was handle in favor of the book. I went to the front page and don't see anything.

Someone said he found a bug. Well in the industry I work in if a bug is found we are rewarded for this. Google even pay you if you find a bug in any of there product or service.

[brumbies]

Huh? Justin did not even contact the right company? I find that hard to believe. I always thought he's the guru when it comes to sportsbook disputes.

[Hareeba!]

Where is the story about this issue was handle in favor of the book. I went to the front page and don't see anything.

Someone said he found a bug. Well in the industry I work in if a bug is found we are reward for this. Google even pay you if you find a bug in any of there product or service.

not if you use it to cheat them - that's called fraud

"He found a bug and manipulated it to accumulate funds"

[protein]

The story was little unbelievable at the first post already.

[ZerotoHero]

This stems from a situation in early fall of 2009, when the company had a software update that added a few new features. Included in this release was a new feature with our cashier that unfortunately had a bug. The result of the bug, when discovered, was that it allowed players to credit funds to their account by manipulating the request/cancel withdrawal feature (when opening multiple windows). This was discovered by a very small number of our players; we were alerted to it by several of the players who found it, and we immediately took steps to rectify it.

This gentleman was one of those players who discovered the bug and used it to accumulate funds. The funds that were placed into his account were not derived by game play, wagering or by deposits. As we did with the handful of other players who received funds by manipulating the bug, we negated those deposits from their accounts. We did not touch any legitimate funds in anyone's accounts.
It is as straightforward as that. He found a bug and manipulated it to accumulate funds.The best question to ask the individual is for him to demonstrate where his ‘funds' came from. It's that simple. His legitimate game play did produce a net win and he was paid out all of that. He has never been denied any money that was legitimately his. Again, the crux to this is to have the player demonstrate any legitimate evidence of how he accumulated those funds. He is the only individual of the group who found the bug that has complained about not receiving funds (and he didn't complain until now, over a year later).

A bug in the software that made me get to five figures? How does that even make sense? What was I able to do just type in the balance I wanted?

How can I provide any proof, they have all the records and by now have probably manipulated them. When I requested proof (see the original post with the live chat) they refused to send any documents proving their case...gee I wonder why?

Do you honestly believe "a bug" in the software would allow account balances to accidentally increase, let alone to five figures without them realizing instantly? And are we also to believe that other players "found out" about this bug and reported it to them? I dunno about you but if I found a bug that would increase my balance the last person I would go tell is the sportsbooks. Furthermore why did it take them so long to respond to this complaint, unless they had to think up a story.

This is utter BS and a sly attempt at them to try and deny me my real winnings when they have been exposed.

Read the original post. In the live chat they change their story several times, and tell me to just go away, and cannot get their story straight. I guess they finally decided to go with this story cause theirs no way for me to disprove it. The reason it took me so long to complain is because I did not know about this site until recently and tried other venues to get my funds back.

This book's reputation speaks for itself and this is just another one to add to the pile of *kaka*

If they don't want to pay me fine. At least refund my original deposits thats all I can ask for at this point.

[HedgeHog]

Zero:

I thought you withdrew the complaint after W4R put a hit out on your family and yourself. Since you're responding again now, I assume you're all in witness protection.

02.03.2011 04:52 PM
Win4Real sportsbook confiscation update
Win4Real (sportsbook rating C-) complaint update. On December 26th, SBR reported that a player stated Win4Real confiscated $90,000 in winnings from his account. The player told SBR that the bulk of his balance was generated by a seven team parlay. On January 1st, 2011, SBR reported that the player wished to retract his complaint, citing concerns over the well-being of his family. | Win4Real addresses complaint

[austin]

win4real SCAM
i am not sure about this story but win4real is a SCAM. it is a shame they are still rated c-. i have had no issues with some D rated books, but it was a big mistake to rely on sbr rating in this case. i have evidence they are a scam and next week (the dead line of their lies and promises) i will post the details.
but at this point BEWARE of the SCAM WIN4REAL!!!

[ZerotoHero]

Zero:

I thought you withdrew the complaint after W4R put a hit out on your family and yourself. Since you're responding again now, I assume you're all in witness protection.

02.03.2011 04:52 PM
Win4Real sportsbook confiscation update
Win4Real (sportsbook rating C-) complaint update. On December 26th, SBR reported that a player stated Win4Real confiscated $90,000 in winnings from his account. The player told SBR that the bulk of his balance was generated by a seven team parlay. On January 1st, 2011, SBR reported that the player wished to retract his complaint, citing concerns over the well-being of his family. | Win4Real addresses complaint

Mis-communication and confusion. No threats from them as of yet.

[Chuck Sims]

"if I found a bug that would increase my balance the last person I would go tell is the sportsbooks."

With comments like that I lose faith in your story. Its in your best interest to notify a sportsbook of any bug that you discover.

You seem to be open about your intention when finding a bug that allows you to steal from a sportsbook. Sad.

[leon]

Oh my god i just read for first time this thread!You won 90000 it s amazing!why did n t try to withdraw them earlier!

[drfunkmaster]

A bug in the software that made me get to five figures? What was I able to do just type in the balance I wanted? Do you honestly believe "a bug" in the software would allow account balances to accidentally increase, let alone to five figures without them realizing instantly? And are we also to believe that other players "found out" about this bug and reported it to them? I dunno about you but if I found a bug that would increase my balance the last person I would go tell is the sportsbooks. Furthermore why did it take them so long to respond to this complaint, unless they had to think up a story.

All this you are stating is telling us what the real story is.... By any chance your "REAL" first name begins with "B"

[HedgeHog]

My gut tells me that shots were taken by both sides. The OP took the bigger shot with the browser bug manipulation. W4R then took everything in his account including the OP's deposits. The fact that the OP would settle for just his deposits, which probably represents less than 10% of the balance taken, is basically an admission of guilt. An A Book would have given him back his deposits and shown him the door. But we're talking about W4R which should be downgraded to the D range. Next time steal from a better grade of Book.

[Dark Horse]

Do you honestly believe "a bug" in the software would allow account balances to accidentally increase, let alone to five figures without them realizing instantly?

Why would they realize this instantly? A pink telephone is supposed to start ringing?
For the record, 10K (your original deposit) is five figures. So is 90K.

And are we also to believe that other players "found out" about this bug and reported it to them? I dunno about you but if I found a bug that would increase my balance the last person I would go tell is the sportsbooks.

Do you understand what you wrote here?
It is as close to an admission as you have come in this thread. People point out errors to books all the time. But you question the very existence of honest people, and voluntarily state that you're not among them.

Opening that door yourself does allow you to counter with 'why would I say that if I had actually done it and thereby undermine my case? It makes no sense.' To which I would say 'because you're a good liar'.

Furthermore why did it take them so long to respond to this complaint, unless they had to think up a story.

Their story is consistent with the chat log you gave on page 1.

If they don't want to pay me fine. At least refund my original deposits thats all I can ask for at this point.

So now you don't want SBR to look into this anymore? You're just giving up on 80K in 'winnings'? Why? And why are you also the first person I've seen here, in 5+ years, who withdrew a complaint because of fear for his family? That's pretty serious stuff... Why don't you share your reason for this fear?

My impression is that you're a compulsive liar. You make up stuff until you believe it yourself.

[Justin7]

If you decide you want to pursue this, you need to respond to my emails. I haven't heard from you in a long time though... until you do, I can only accept the Sportsbook's side as true (and dismiss this complaint).

[Fabu88]

I feel that most of the books online that are offshore are quite dodgy, be it A+ or F, some are trustful and pay all the time, but I still find a hard time believing in them 100%. It is so much safer and easier in Europe.. I would rather wait until i get back to Europe and start betting there.

[king]

From my understand from just reading all this is a bug was found good for you, but most likely it was common sense they were not going to pay that. Second they did steal his money which should be returned. As a business you should not steal from your customers, if a customer take a shot at you know how to handle this better. Look at all these big companies like banks from chase, BkofAma, etc etc if someone account had a billion dollar when they only should have $1000 and try to withdraw you know they won't give me the billion or even a million. They won't even steal his $1000 for his or her attempt to withdraw a million or more.

[ZerotoHero]

If you decide you want to pursue this, you need to respond to my emails. I haven't heard from you in a long time though... until you do, I can only accept the Sportsbook's side as true (and dismiss this complaint).

Justin- I did respond to Lou

I am also insulted that sportsbookreview has immediately taken Win4Real's side on this matter. Win4Real has put forth a fabricated story without any evidence and for some reason the responsibility is on me to prove the case. This is impossible since THEY have all the documents, playing histories, cash out histories, which they have refused to provide to me (see the chat) or anyone else.

It is also deeply slanderous, and unprofessional of SportsbookReview to publish on the Win4Real page "player likely defrauded WIN4REAL," again without any proof what so ever. I would hope that a thorough investigation would be initiated before claims such as these were posted on the website.

Please also withdraw the claim of threatening from the website as this is not true. I received a suspicious package at my door, and the timing was quite unusual. Instead of waiting to hear more from me you guys assumed I was being threatened by them and posted this as fact. Again a very sloppy and poor job on your part. I know you want to help, but I wonder if you also want ratings and traffic in doing so.

[RickySteve]

I wish someone would try to recover the $150K they stole from me.

[RickySteve]

i like turtles

[ZerotoHero]

So now you don't want SBR to look into this anymore? You're just giving up on 80K in 'winnings'? Why? And why are you also the first person I've seen here, in 5+ years, who withdrew a complaint because of fear for his family? That's pretty serious stuff... Why don't you share your reason for this fear?

My impression is that you're a compulsive liar. You make up stuff until you believe it yourself.

Please see below my "fear" which was published prematurely by SBR. And yes I am giving up on the 80K winnings because its quite obvious at this point they are not going to pay that.

You seem to get enjoyment out of calling people "compulsive liars" and attacking them for no reason. If you don't believe my story there are nicer ways of doing so besides calling me a "compulsive liar." It's quite easy to use language like that behind a computer screen without knowing me.

Are you affiliated with a sportsbook or are a referral for any? If so I think it's only fair you come clean about this so that people in the forum know where your opinion is coming from and what motive(s) you may have.

[wrongturn]

If I am owned even 1K, I would talk extremely nice to SBR, especially if you can't find a better and free of charge place for help. Also SBR is not a law firm. hint.

[Justin7]

I wish someone would try to recover the $150K they stole from me.

Did you file a complaint?

[ZerotoHero]

If I am owned even 1K, I would talk extremely nice to SBR, especially if you can't find a better and free of charge place for help. Also SBR is not a law firm. hint.

I agree. However, I have to set the facts straight. I cannot sit idly by while I am being slandered.

[Justin7]

I agree. However, I have to set the facts straight. I cannot sit idly by while I am being slandered.

The information you have given SBR is factually inconsistent. If you are serious about pressing this claim, we're still willing to look at it... but there are major problems in you case that are best discussed in private.

[HedgeHog]

I agree. However, I have to set the facts straight. I cannot sit idly by while I am being slandered.

I'm not defending W4R, I think they suck. But you are so quick to drop your complaint and only ask for your deposits back now. This suggests to me that the brunt of your account was earned fraudulently. If I was 100% right, I'd wan't 100% of my money back--not less than 10%. At this point, come clean and admit what you did. I agree you should get your deposits back regardless.

[durito]

did you file a complaint?

rtff

[Dark Horse]

Please see below my "fear" which was published prematurely by SBR. And yes I am giving up on the 80K winnings because its quite obvious at this point they are not going to pay that.

You seem to get enjoyment out of calling people "compulsive liars" and attacking them for no reason. If you don't believe my story there are nicer ways of doing so besides calling me a "compulsive liar." It's quite easy to use language like that behind a computer screen without knowing me.

Are you affiliated with a sportsbook or are a referral for any? If so I think it's only fair you come clean about this so that people in the forum know where your opinion is coming from and what motive(s) you may have.

For the record, you're the first person here that I have put in that category (compulsive liar). Nobody that is rightfully owned 80K would shrug it off as 'too bad', if there was even the slightest chance that SBR could help solve the case.



Did I read you wrong? Possible, but not likely...

The information you have given SBR is factually inconsistent. If you are serious about pressing this claim, we're still willing to look at it... but there are major problems in you case that are best discussed in private.

And apparentely, SBR is standing guard by your door ...

Please also withdraw the claim of threatening from the website as this is not true. I received a suspicious package at my door, and the timing was quite unusual. Instead of waiting to hear more from me you guys assumed I was being threatened by them and posted this as fact. Again a very sloppy and poor job on your part. I know you want to help, but I wonder if you also want ratings and traffic in doing so.

'A suspicious package, and the timing was quite unusual'.
And all of a sudden SBR assumes, out of the blue, he is being threatened.

As to me representing a sportsbook, your fantasy once again has the best of you. The shadows are moving. Seek help.

[ZerotoHero]

The information you have given SBR is factually inconsistent. If you are serious about pressing this claim, we're still willing to look at it... but there are major problems in you case that are best discussed in private.

What has been factually inconsistent?

I'm awaiting your email.

[HedgeHog]

Given your unwillingness to answer the questions put before you, I can accurately predict the amount you'll now recover. It's the first four letters in your chosen handle Z-E-R-O.

[ThaddeusB]

I am strongly inclined to believe that the OP did intend try to cheat the sportsbook by taking advantage of a software bug. Their story is consistent with the chat long on the first page and it is the OP who apparently keep his story straight. That said, this win4real company at minimum needs to seriously work on customer relations.

[austin]

just submitted my complaint regarding win4real. hope sbr will look into it

[BrianLaverty]

Justin- I did respond to Lou I am also insulted that sportsbookreview has immediately taken Win4Real's side on this matter. Win4Real has put forth a fabricated story without any evidence and for some reason the responsibility is on me to prove the case. This is impossible since THEY have all the documents, playing histories, cash out histories, which they have refused to provide to me (see the chat) or anyone else.

How about you show a bank statement proving that you made 10k worth of deposits in the first place? Theres your possible evidence that would make people start to believe your story... but again, you have refused to show anything like that. CC Statements are all online and easy to find...

[Nittany Lion]

Stick to A books or better, I'm with Bodog even though their lines are not that great and they put them up really late....at least I know they won't stiff me and they pay out.

[austin]

How about you show a bank statement proving that you made 10k worth of deposits in the first place? Theres your possible evidence that would make people start to believe your story... but again, you have refused to show anything like that. CC Statements are all online and easy to find...

yeah that would clear up some questions.
nevertheless be warned about win4real

[RickySteve]

Did you file a complaint?

I hope this is in jest.