Be careful playing with 5Dimes

[ehp6737]

That's why you never bet a bad line. It's a no-win scenario. For the record, Tony didn't take a shot, because he readjusted the odds. If he had taken a shot he would have canceled the wager. That's what low rated books do. Big difference.

The only question is if the line was bad or not. The line histories (winner, top 5, top 10, top 20 placements) can easily determine that.

It is good to see a fresh new crop of clueless players.

Dark Horse, I agree with you here. But unlike a bet that comes off the board and is later to be found a bad line, don't you think this is different since the book continued adjusting the line down from it's original over a period of days, instead of correcting it to what they think it should've been? To me this gives credibility to the original line that was set

[shari91]

This is exactly right. For the people saying it was a bad line "end of story", arent reading this guys whole story. If it was a bad line, AND THE PROP WAS TAKEN OFF THE BOARD ENTIRELY when the tournament started, then even if he called you on Sunday when it was in the bag, it's a shitty deal, but I would've still sided with 5Dimes. BUT, the fact they kept lowering and adjusting the line thruout the tournament, in my mind confirms the original line was valid. In your chat Tony said point blank "someone forgot to put a zero" which by itself makes perfect sense, the problem is numerous times after the 20-1 posting, the line WAS changed, but not to 2-1. 5Dimes had numerous opportunities to correct this line, but instead kept reducing it from 20-1 as the tournament progressed, which only proves it was indeed a 20-1 line to begin with. This is outright theft and I would file a complaint with SBR, if you havent already. Though Tony talks the way he does to his customers, I've seen a number of these where SBR was able to step in and mediate a fair resolution for both parties.

No, the line was adjusted twice before the tournament even started. Why do lines get adjusted? Either because it's getting hammered by bettors and the book realizes it's hung a weak - not a bad - line; it's getting hammered by bettors and the book realizes it can still take in a lot of action even by offering a lower return; or information surfaces ie a player is injured, etc... to render the initial line inappropriate.

When a line is BAD, it's taken off the board, all bets are usually cancelled and sometimes the line is reposted with adjusted odds if there's enough time before the event starts. I, and it seems others in this thread, have never heard of a bad line being hung a week before, only to be adjusted twice before the event even starts and continuing to accept bets on those adjusted lines only to then have the book turn around and cancel it in what can essentially be equated to the 4th quarter of an NBA game when it looks like the Nuggets are going to beat the Lakers in the Final.

[Raven66]

The OP's bet was for Watney to finish in the top 20, not to win outright. I've been looking at sites trying to find line histories on a prop like this but can't find anything yet.

Yeah I know, well Nick Watney was 50/1 to win outright.......can't find the top 20 list odd.

[wrongturn]

I agree that 5D should look at any long shot bet that take a lot of actions. Hundreds of dollars on 20-1 odds? Better take a look to see if the line is wrong before game starts, not after 3 rounds, because that would be the real shot taker, which a lot of books do, unfortunately. That is why it is no-win situation for players.

[Dark Horse]

Dark Horse, I agree with you here. But unlike a bet that comes off the board and is later to be found a bad line, don't you think this is different since the book continued adjusting the line down from it's original over a period of days, instead of correcting it to what they think it should've been? To me this gives credibility to the original line that was set

Limits on most props are low. When you bet the max, the line automatically adjusts. Then you can bet it again at 5Dimes. A line adjustment for a prop doesn't mean that the original price is checked for accuracy. It's a prop. Not a game.

[ehp6737]

Limits on most props are low. When you bet the max, the line automatically adjusts. Then you can bet it again at 5Dimes. A line adjustment for a prop doesn't mean that the original price is checked for accuracy. It's a prop. Not a game.

My mistake, I misread some of his posts. I thought the odds were continually adj down thruout the tournament. If that's a case, it's a shitty outcome for the player, but well within 5Dimes rights. Atleast Tony was willing to compromise on a figure as opposed to grading "no action" which most books would've done.

[polskboy]

you notice that noboby from sbr is on this??? john,lue,jj why is 5 dimes high rated book??? because they pay sbr high $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ thats why .

[polskboy]

why is sbr not on this ??? because 5dimes is paying them to ++++ as.

[davidchong]

agree... line moved down three times....... 5 dimes, should honour this bet

I agree - the issue lies with the original number but the part that's leaving a bad taste in my mouth is that because that line was adjusted twice, to nowhere near what Tony said the line should've been, signals that this is an internal failure on their end. When that line was first adjusted, was the 5dimes employee just picking a number out of the air or would they have been required to perform their own checks and balances by comparing the line to those hung by Vegas on the same prop? Employees make mistakes so let's assume he/she missed it the first time and didn't bother researching what other places were offering the same prop for. What about the second time the line was adjusted? Again did the employee make a mistake? And if so, should those three mistakes - the initial line and the two adjustments - be absorbed by the customer or by the book itself?

Either it was a bad line all three times and Tony needs to get his company in order or it was never a bad line to begin with and he didn't want to pay out a decent amount on a long-shot bet when it looked like hitting on the final day. Neither of which scenario is a great confidence booster for those who are looking to place bets with them. And regardless of which it was, I don't quite see how the OP should've been penalised his winnings as a result.

[bachngocduong]

wow my A+ book now i need take all my fund out

[Andy117]

I think hiding under the BAD LINE statement is Bullshiiit

If you offered the Line, Pay it!!!!

How are we supposed to know lines are bad?

Tony is a DICKHEAD

It's just like a price mistake at a store, they should honor the prices/lines posted.

[OldSchool75]

Horrible customer service. The poster may be clueless or he may not be. The guy who runs that shop is a nut and I would withdraw my funds if i had money in that place.

[robmpink]

I didn't read every post, but weren't the top 10 and top 5 odds lower vs the top 20? If so, it was a bad line.

Tony still is a punk. He was probably abused as a child and he jerks off while on his power trips to posters via live chat.

[ProfaneReality]

hey beware you pussy post this under your normal name.... and reading that chat was painful, you are a moron.. learn how to answer a question

I bet golf all the time at 5dimes, never had a problem or a bet canceled.. nor do i take shots

[BewareOf5Dimes]

hey beware you pussy post this under your normal name.... and reading that chat was painful, you are a moron.. learn how to answer a question

I bet golf all the time at 5dimes, never had a problem or a bet canceled.. nor do i take shots

Sorry, Pal. I never had an account here before. I browse all forums and had seen Tony involved with disputes before. The shot was taken by Tony, not me.

It doesn't matter anyways. He will lose more business because of what he did, and I no longer watch 30 hours of golf each week like I was doing from the British Open through the PGA.

Tony cost himself a lot more than I got cheated out of, so he loses in the end.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

1) I bet Nick Watney to finish in the top 20 at odds of 20-1 and 15-1. This was Tuesday. The lines adjusted down to 10-1.

2) Tournament starts Thursday.

3) Sunday morning Watney is leading by 3 and he looks like a cinch to finish in top 20.

4) I try to log into account...can't log in...it says to speak to Tony.

5) Tony immediately calls me a shot taker and deletes the archives of the original bet, then changed the plays for 20-1 and 15-1 down to 3-1.

6) Watney somehow collapses and finishes tied for 18th, but I still was cheated of of thousands because I got the bad odds.

7) Almost funny that the scammer Tony would have been better off waiting until the day was over....then he would have been better off just paying the lesser amount because of the tie, and he would have had me as a customer for 30 years.

8) He is a loser and the facts are the facts.

9) Zero chance that he has a problem with the play if Watney misses the cut.

10) Very high chance they knew about the play all along, even if they discovered it was a bad line before the tourney started. They let the play go....they took a shot, and when it looked like they couldn't win they then decided to disable my account.

11) Have fun, Tony. You are a loser.

12) I am willing to risk my pending plays to let people know about this punk Tony. I have about $1,300 in pending plays in the NFL Futures and one NCAA Future, but the truth needs to be told.

13) Tony is scum.

Those are the facts. Whatever side you take Tony is the real loser, and it is highly likely he took at shot on my play.

[brxbmbers42]

Horrible customer service. The poster may be clueless or he may not be. The guy who runs that shop is a nut and I would withdraw my funds if i had money in that place.

totally agree. anyone that has any significant money in that book is a moron.

[brxbmbers42]

where are jj and the sbr guys on this one.

[roasthawg]

It was obviously a bad line but it should've been brought up earlier too.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

It was obviously a bad line but it should've been brought up earlier too.

Not obvious to me. I had been betting the golf since the British Open (Played Master, too....that is when I signed up with 5Dimes...for this years). I usually bet to win and a few matchups. For the PGA they had most of the guys listed to finish in the top 20......they don't have that for most tourneys.

I scrolled the list and bet Watney at 20-1 then bet again later at 15-1. I bet many guys many different times (to win). I was making PGA plays every day.

I had never bet a top 20 ever before, and hadn't even seen the bet before. He has all of my plays and he would have already jumped in here if there was any dispute whatsover as to what happened. I saw Watney listed with the same odds as many well-known players. Watney missed the cut in the 2008 and 2009 PGA. I knew he was playing decent because I saw him in the Firestone the previous week. It was a good line to bet....not a bad line. Nobody has ever heard of Watney.....he is the type of player to slip through the cracks, just like when I lucked out and had $10 on Ooshazen to win the British at 450-1. He was ranked about 50th in the world heading into the British. Is 450-1 a bad line? If I would have known about him I would have bet more at 450-1. The reason those lines are high is because nobody ever bets those guys. Why didn't all of the golf sharps bet Oosthazen at 450-1? That was the line, and it was a good line. It is no more bad than Watney to finish top 20 was.

His greasy piggy loser hands tried to jump in the till and take my money. He took my money, but the cost to him is far greater than the cost to me.

Consequences, Tony, you are paying for your ignorant degrading and condescending behavior. If you claim the line was bad then you handled like the biggest LOSER scammer would handle it.

Scumbag..

[davidchong]

never close... reason: start to ban or limit (non profitable players to the book)


quote=nyplayer33;6320479]Mosy say that 5dimes or the greek is the most solid book and will never close or anything like that. This isn;t going to change opinions on this book. In the past week i read how bookmaker is gonna be shut, legends has worst cust svc, bet phoenix is bad even though they offer free 50 dollar bet and now this...always gonna have an issue with a book...no matter how top rated they are....[/quote]

[polskboy]

why would you want to play at 5dimes and deal with tony the"god" i you can play at betjm and you can deal with gentleman like scotty.

[RudyRuetigger]

I bet golf all the time at 5dimes, never had a problem or a bet canceled.. nor do i take shots

sorry pal, 5dimes routinely has bad golf lines that i have to get corrected in chat (with no compensation obviously)

[RudyRuetigger]

sorry pal, 5dimes routinely has bad golf lines that i have to get corrected in chat (with no compensation obviously)

And actually during the PGA I pointed out 2 or 3 bad lines to them

[teaserpleaser]

why would you want to play at 5dimes and deal with tony the"god" i you can play at betjm and you can deal with gentleman like scotty.

2nd half cfb Team Totals find me another book that offers them i'll cash out and play there.

[roasthawg]

Not obvious to me.

Just because it wasn't obvious to you doesn't mean it wasn't clearly a bad line. Pleading ignorance doesn't mean you should profit from a mistake. They were still too slow to correct it imo.

[BChrisB]

A bad line is one that gets posted incorrectly!!

How does a bad line get adjusted 2 times? Some of you guy keep staying fixated on this bad line argument. However, I have not heard one you explain and justify how this posted bad line can be adjusted twice, and still be considered a bad line.

Once again, bad lines get POSTED erroneously. How do they get posted then ADJUSTED, and still be considered a bad line.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here (which I honestly don't think I am) but I don't see how any book can post a line, adjust it twice without noticing it, and not be expected to honor their line after 2 corrections.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

Just because it wasn't obvious to you doesn't mean it wasn't clearly a bad line. Pleading ignorance doesn't mean you should profit from a mistake. They were still too slow to correct it imo.

I never demanded the money, did I? All I have done is lay out the facts, and the facts speak. Tony makes his money because people bet at his place of business. A majority of people in this thread who bet believe that I was wronged in some way, and many believed I got cheated. So, even if Tony claims the line is bad, he is wrong because the facts are what the facts are.

By claiming he is right, he becomes wrong, and his actions speak loudly. He deleted the archive of the original bet because he didn't think I had copied all of my plays. That alone is all I need.

The average player knows that he is in the wrong and they will vote with their feet. By being right he is now wrong, since he will lose a lot of business every time I tell this story. And if the name of the game is to make money, then he just lost money by claiming to be right and changing my bet. Even if he thinks he is right, the facts of the case make it a smart move for him to not take such an ignorant stand. He would have been right to pay the price for his mistake, but because he had to be right, HE LOSES, so that makes his being right the WRONG move...lol. The guy is dumb....and ignorant, and he will regret what he did.

See how that works? If I paint a black cat white what color is the cat? A thief is a thief is a thief, Understand?

[polskboy]

I never demanded the money, did I? All I have done is lay out the facts, and the facts speak. Tony makes his money because people bet at his place of business. A majority of people in this thread who bet believe that I was wronged in some way, and many believed I got cheated. So, even if Tony claims the line is bad, he is wrong because the facts are what the facts are. By claiming he is right, he becomes wrong, and his actions speak loudly. He deleted the archive of the original bet because he didn't think I had copied all of my plays. That alone is all I need. The average player knows that he is in the wrong and they will vote with their feet. By being right he is now wrong. See how that works? If I paint a black cat white what color is the cat? A theif is a theif is a theif, Understand?

you are right sir.

[NewbieForeva]

That may be true, but I had never bet a top 20 in my life. And I had never heard of Nick Watney until the week before. Also, I found out that Nick Watney had missed the cut both times he had played in the PGA.

If it was a bad line then they had plenty of time to catch it. They adjusted the line each time I bet. I bet at 20-1 and then bet again at 15-1. After I bet the second time they adjusted the line to 10-1.

This was Tuesday, and the tournmant didn't start until Thursday. Of course, when Watney is up 3 on Sunday morning I cannot log into my account.

The guy Tony is an idiot. He can see all of my plays. I had even bet horses in April and lost. He can see all of my plays. If it was a bad line then he took a shot at me. That is how it works. I even tried to deposit another $100 the night before the final round in order to hedge against a few of my plays to win it all. Now, if I was taking a shot why would I contact chat and ask about depositing another 100 to cover some plays. I was making sure they wouldn't try to put a hold on my cash out since I was going to use my card to play the 100. If I thought it was a bad line I would have been quiet as a mouse and not tempting fate.

I know they are scammers so I asked chat spefically if it would effect my PGA plays that I used with ** deposited funds. I knew I was going to cash with Watney. Turns out he choked and tied for 18th, but they still cheated me out of about 3K.

If the idiot would have waited until after the round he might have done the right thing and made a lot of money off me in the future. Sorry about your luck, Tony. You took a shot and it backfired. Will not ever deposit with you.

How could this be a mistake when the line is adjusted from 20 to 15 then to 10. Shouldn't they realize it's a mistake when it's going down from 20-15? When they go in to change it from 20 to 15, they already know it's at 20. Thank God I read this post, I had just created an account and about to deposit $2k to this book. They can just cancel my account now. Thanks for the post

[LostBankroll]

Crazy thread. Funny how not ONE SBR representative took the 5 minutes it would of taken to post in this thread either agreeing or disagreeing with the poster. I guess when you get a check from 5dimes they can do as they please at YOUR expense. If they have a bad line then it is THIER fault. We as players all look for advantages. Its a part of the game. They will reduce your limits,treat you bad, call you a cheat or shut you down completly yet they remain a A+ book????? Sure they may have the best lines for a US player other than Matchbook, but even that wouldnt save this book. Complete bullshit by 5dimes. They love me there, Ive deposited over 1k there and have never been lucky enough to see a payout from them. The only thing keeping them alive right now is thier good lines,low juice(no bonus takers), free monthly payout and ******* SBR. Its a damn shame.

[Dark Horse]

A bad line is one that gets posted incorrectly!!

How does a bad line get adjusted 2 times? Some of you guy keep staying fixated on this bad line argument. However, I have not heard one you explain and justify how this posted bad line can be adjusted twice, and still be considered a bad line.

Explained in post #145.

[Shonner]

I think hiding under the BAD LINE statement is Bullshiiit

If you offered the Line, Pay it!!!!

How are we supposed to know lines are bad?

Tony is a DICKHEAD

This is all too common with them...the "bad line" thing...I'm sure no one figured it out there...and I'm REALLY sure that they refunded everyone that lost because of the bad line...RIGHT.

Sleazy operation

[BChrisB]

Explained in post #145.

So if this is the case, then is it fair to say that 5dimes is completely incompetent, and at what points should they honor their posted line? Don't most books run nightly tally's and run end of the day reports?

So it doesn't matter, no matter which way you look at it. 5dimes proved to not be trustworthy:

1) Can't keep track of line inaccuracies
2) Can't keep track of adjustment inaccuracies
3) Has a GM who completely is unprofessional
4) Has a GM who erases bets from the record

And this is a so called A+ book.

The issue goes a bit beyond a posted bad line here.

Or maybe it's a bit more sinister. Maybe they like posting lines like that, take bets on them then only take action when those bets end up in the money.. I don't know, can't say for sure, but after this thread I think I'm done w/ 5dimes.

[Dark Horse]

Crazy thread. Funny how not ONE SBR representative took the 5 minutes it would of taken to post in this thread either agreeing or disagreeing with the poster.

Yes, very true. There seem to be quite a few newer players who don't understand the rules. SBR could at least take a little time to educate them, and put a stop to this avalanche of ignorance.

Question: did the OP fill out a complaint form with SBR, so they can look into this?