Cascade promised payment thread

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  • Breaker
    SBR High Roller
    • 04-17-07
    • 137

    #106
    Cris won't.
    A guy from Bookmaker called me about their football specials, I told him if he could arrange a transfer from Cascade to Bookmaker I would play with them.

    He went to check, but called back that there was some litigation and they wouldn't touch Cascade with a ten foot pole.
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    • aggie
      SBR High Roller
      • 03-09-06
      • 168

      #107
      did you ask about a twenty foot pole? there needs to be something...
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      • SBR_John
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-12-05
        • 16471

        #108
        There will be no bailouts. Cascade also owes bookmakers in Costa Rica and Ireland that I know of. The debt is also too high and the player base too sophisticated.
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        • ritehook
          SBR MVP
          • 08-12-06
          • 2244

          #109
          I never had an account with Cascade -- but I could have. I remember one year I briefly considered them, when they were highly rated here.

          Players just like me have bucks sitting in this book, or money that has disappeared down the rathole, while the book keeps operating, taking in new money.

          So, I assume tomorrow SBR will downgrade to F, and use whatever political pull they have in CR to put pressure on this renegade book?
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          • pokerking
            SBR High Roller
            • 02-08-07
            • 109

            #110
            Everybody should go after Lenny. He's the one who stole everybody's money. His real name is xxxxxxxxx for those of you who want to try suing him to get your money back.
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            • Scorpion
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-04-05
              • 7797

              #111
              Originally posted by pokerking
              Everybody should go after Lenny. He's the one who stole everybody's money. His real name is xxxxxxxx for those of you who want to try suing him to get your money back.
              How about personal info like SSN?
              Photo ID like driver license,....
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              • Breaker
                SBR High Roller
                • 04-17-07
                • 137

                #112
                Pokerking, from reading this tread I always figured you were one of the reasons they weren't paying.

                Care to comment?
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                • WWTSblows
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 10-14-06
                  • 161

                  #113
                  Maybe Cascade was just trying to take pressure off them by making up a scapegoat?

                  Obviously, Cascade can't exactly be trusted on their word.
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                  • suzysuzy
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 04-05-07
                    • 181

                    #114
                    just called lenny. i said, "so, my check is in the mail, right?" (sarcasm obviously). he replied with a "hmm, probably not".

                    so what do we do now? he's got a freaking lot of my money and im not going to give up easily.
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                    • durito
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 07-03-06
                      • 13173

                      #115
                      If they owed me money (and they certainly could have, i was about to deposit there towards the end of football season last year) I'd be in Costa Rica looking for it.

                      I'm not sure that would accomplish anything, but I'd be trying.
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                      • DrSlamm
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 11-10-05
                        • 577

                        #116
                        the reason cascade isnt paying is because they ran a sportsbook with a bad business model and lost inf
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                        • Mason
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 09-23-05
                          • 138

                          #117
                          I'm not coming to the defense of Cascade here, and I realize people are PISSED, but I think posting of Lenny or any owner/operator's real name should be off limits.

                          If I were to start a post listing the names and personal info of deadbeat/**********/scam customers for others to see publicly I imagine I'd be lynched for being unethical. If so, the door should swing both ways IMO.
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                          • bigboydan
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 55420

                            #118
                            Originally posted by Mason
                            I'm not coming to the defense of Cascade here, and I realize people are PISSED, but I think posting of Lenny or any owner/operator's real name should be off limits.

                            If I were to start a post listing the names and personal info of deadbeat/**********/scam customers for others to see publicly I imagine I'd be lynched for being unethical. If so, the door should swing both ways IMO.
                            I missed the personal info of Lenny's in this thread Mason. Now that you have pointed it out to me I have edited it out.
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                            • suzysuzy
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 04-05-07
                              • 181

                              #119
                              already have it written down, ha.
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                              • Helmut
                                Restricted User
                                • 03-17-07
                                • 356

                                #120
                                Originally posted by Mason
                                I'm not coming to the defense of Cascade here, and I realize people are PISSED, but I think posting of Lenny or any owner/operator's real name should be off limits.

                                If I were to start a post listing the names and personal info of deadbeat/**********/scam customers for others to see publicly I imagine I'd be lynched for being unethical. If so, the door should swing both ways IMO.
                                I disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                If a few these guys got a shovel upside the head, there would be a lot less theft in this industry going on. What makes this worse is that he has kept his business open and has been soliciting deposits all while telling anyone with money there wanting to withdraw FU.
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                                • bigboydan
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 08-10-05
                                  • 55420

                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by suzysuzy
                                  already have it written down, ha.
                                  You told me you had it even before it was posted here via that PM many months ago.
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                                  • suzysuzy
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 04-05-07
                                    • 181

                                    #122
                                    no i didnt, u must be thinking of someone else.
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                                    • bigboydan
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 55420

                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by suzysuzy
                                      no i didnt, u must be thinking of someone else.
                                      I guess I must have been mistaken, but I could have swore it was you.
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                                      • White_Tiger
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 08-29-07
                                        • 465

                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by SBR_John
                                        We will begin posting information on what players can do next week.

                                        Can you please tell us what to do here
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                                        • pokerking
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 02-08-07
                                          • 109

                                          #125
                                          Originally posted by Breaker
                                          Pokerking, from reading this tread I always figured you were one of the reasons they weren't paying.

                                          Care to comment?
                                          Lenny stole 6 figures from me and I've been warning people about Lenny(whose name is fake) since December. Hopefully you believe me by now that you've seen his true colours. Why don't you ask the Shrink why Lenny renegged on his mediation? I find it amazing that Lenny steals about $2,000,000 and they're trying to protect Lenny by not letting me disclose his real name.
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                                          • cloudagh
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 04-08-07
                                            • 486

                                            #126
                                            "So, you got my money?" ... "It probably would be better for everybody if you have tomorrow."

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                                            • katstale
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 02-07-07
                                              • 3924

                                              #127
                                              I don't get it SBR? You protected this guy last week (John, you know you did) and then say you are gonna help everybody pursue their legal options, BUT....... you don't want to put the stiffs real name on here? What is up with that? Transparency is the only way to "out" these folks and keep them out of the industry. Otherwise, they just pop back up somewhere else, scamming again.
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                                              • suzysuzy
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 04-05-07
                                                • 181

                                                #128
                                                i just went off on richard on the phone. i hope that doesnt hurt my .000001% chance of being paid. i am so tired of both him and lenny acting like i should be grateful that they still answer the phone. they say it every time. "hey, we're still answering the phones unlike a lot of books." are you freaking kidding me?
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                                                • pokerking
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 02-08-07
                                                  • 109

                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by katstale
                                                  I don't get it SBR? You protected this guy last week (John, you know you did) and then say you are gonna help everybody pursue their legal options, BUT....... you don't want to put the stiffs real name on here? What is up with that? Transparency is the only way to "out" these folks and keep them out of the industry. Otherwise, they just pop back up somewhere else, scamming again.
                                                  Well said Katstale. It's sickening how these so called watchdog sites don't want to let people know this crook's real name after he steals millions from everybody. They're happy to let him hide behind his fake name.
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                                                  • Justin7
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 07-31-06
                                                    • 8577

                                                    #130
                                                    Pokerking,

                                                    Let me talk to the other mods. We don't normally allow personal info here, but this is an exceptional case.
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                                                    • Scorpion
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 09-04-05
                                                      • 7797

                                                      #131
                                                      Lenny will never pay us!
                                                      Its so obvious!
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                                                      • Bill Dozer
                                                        www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                                                        • 07-12-05
                                                        • 10894

                                                        #132
                                                        No, SBR will not offer real names. If it is public information listed on WhoIs or business registrations then it may become available to you. However, SBR will not attempt to publicize the name of individuals because it has been determined that they are slow-paying, stiffing or taking part in unethical practices.
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                                                        • bigloser
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 07-19-06
                                                          • 787

                                                          #133
                                                          Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                                                          No, SBR will not offer real names. If it is public information listed on WhoIs or business registrations then it may become available to you. However, SBR will not attempt to publicize the name of individuals because it has been determined that they are slow-paying, stiffing or taking part in unethical practices.
                                                          SBR doesnt have to. Other posters will. All you have to do is stop censoring.
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                                                          • cloudagh
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 04-08-07
                                                            • 486

                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                            Yes they are currently rated D-. We were promised all would be paid by NFL Sunday and we are holding their rating and holding them to that promise. If payments have not started by then we will downgrade them to an F and issue a scam alert through the press. Hopefully they keep their promise.
                                                            Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                            We will begin posting information on what players can do next week.
                                                            Alright - Saturday, Sunday and Monday football have come and gone. I don't see anyone saying they were paid. In fact, the 4th and 5th calls for more post-up money came from Cascade to me today - two calls for cryin' out loud. Bill has also said there will be no bail out due to the large amount owed.

                                                            SBR - it is time to see:
                                                            1) The F rating
                                                            2) The scam alert press release
                                                            3) The options available to players
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                                                            • JELLYBEAN
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 01-14-07
                                                              • 303

                                                              #135
                                                              Of course SBR won't help you out, in particular Bill dozer. Here is why. These guys work in CR. They don't want to have to look over there shoulders. Lenny has been there a long time. Knows alot of "unsavory" locals. Lenny is like Tej now. He don't go anywhere without backup. Here's to hoping to morons who send him money lose it all so some of you poor bastasrds have a chance. It seems even Mickey over at CRIS has turned his back on his former "BEST FRIEND". Just goes to show you don't trust anyone offshore...in the long run they will all **** you in a heartbeat.
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                                                              • ritehook
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 08-12-06
                                                                • 2244

                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                                Yes they are currently rated D-. We were promised all would be paid by NFL Sunday and we are holding their rating and holding them to that promise. If payments have not started by then we will downgrade them to an F and issue a scam alert through the press. Hopefully they keep their promise.
                                                                SBR has now rated Cascade as an F book. Promise kept, tho a bit late.

                                                                Has the scam alert been issued to the press? If so, has there been any reportage on it?

                                                                If so, could SBR post the links? (If a story is in Spanish I can translate the essence of it on this forum.)

                                                                I have no personal stake in Cascade, but if a formerly A rated book can steal millions of players money, it could happen to ANY book.

                                                                SBR is the most respected watchdog in the industy. They can't put a literal gun to the head of a renegade like Cascade, but they can use a figurative one, through the press mainly.

                                                                Or any contacts in the CR govt. Of course I know that Cascade will have much deeper pockets than SBR, and thus can buy off (and likely have) more - and more powerful - CR politicians.

                                                                But another big and once respected book going down with player money tends to destroy the rep of ALL the CR books --- and if it continues the mordida, the bribes, will one day dry up if the bleeding isn't stopped.

                                                                It would seem to be in CR's own interest to enact Australia-like laws to make their country into a beacon of internet gambling safety - and stave of US competition when it finally does arrive. (And someday, it surely will.)

                                                                On the other hand, expecting banana republic politicians to act in a far-seeing manner is akin to expecting brain-damaged fools like G. Bush to act like a statesman. Impossible.

                                                                In banana republics greed and stupidity are a deadly parlay.
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                                                                • Zeroed
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 08-05-07
                                                                  • 245

                                                                  #137
                                                                  Just ask Pokerking in private if you want personal infos about "Lenny", iam sure he will happily tell you.

                                                                  I cashed out at Cascade before it all went boom, and Pokerking was one reason for it. Why would he make up a story about stolen 6 figure amounts..
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                                                                  • pokerking
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 02-08-07
                                                                    • 109

                                                                    #138
                                                                    Originally posted by Zeroed
                                                                    Just ask Pokerking in private if you want personal infos about "Lenny", iam sure he will happily tell you.

                                                                    I cashed out at Cascade before it all went boom, and Pokerking was one reason for it. Why would he make up a story about stolen 6 figure amounts..
                                                                    Glad you took my warnings. Glad that I was able to help you avoid the disaster I experienced. I tried to warn everybody because I could feel that Lenny was going to stiff everybody like he stiffed me.
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                                                                    • Scorpion
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 09-04-05
                                                                      • 7797

                                                                      #139
                                                                      I thought this time he will pay me but I keep hearing the same lies!
                                                                      Dont understand why he wanted me to call him if he had no intention of paying my 11K
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                                                                      • suzysuzy
                                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                                        • 04-05-07
                                                                        • 181

                                                                        #140
                                                                        we should all just be grateful that they are still answering the phones to tell us constant lies! (according to lenny and richard)
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