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That's funny. Definitely one way to look at it.
Let's see how credible they are knowing that they owe me another $210,085.70. Paying $84,000 over 42 weeks is kind of like a "participation award". You provide minimal effort, if any, and you get a trophy for half-assing something, if that.Comment -
How do you advertise so much; spend the money needed to advertise on the radio / TV, and only allow your Players to take max payouts of $2,000 per week?Comment -
Everything you said there fits perfectly. They make their money on betting from high volume of casual degens. The type of person who gets their paycheck each Friday and can't wait to deposit $250-500 and place 25-100u bets. Money isn't really meant to go outbound very often anyways - at least money that won't likely come back. They don't want winners of any kind, and their typical customer isn't seeking out sharp books. Pissing off winners by screwing over players doesn't hurt them much unless the news spreads too far and wide. They already have a shoddy reputation among the people who know. Meanwhile they're trying to pull in new customers who don't know any better from the podcasts/airwaves.Last edited by DontTailMe; 04-21-21, 07:19 PM.Comment -
I mean, all you have to do to see the efficacy of their business strategy in the wild is browse square forum outside of SBR. Every once in a while, there will be a new post like: "HELP! MYBOOKIE REFUSES TO PAY AND WON'T ANSWER MY PHONE CALLS". There will inevitably be a bunch of posters who reply something with a hint of disbelief such as, "I've never had any problems with MyBookie." Of course, they never stop to think about why that might be the case. There are millions of n00bs who are oblivious.Last edited by DontTailMe; 04-21-21, 07:41 PM.Comment -
Without hitting a significant jackpot of some sorts (200+K) there is literally no way to do what you did without exploiting a flaw. You came to the wrong forum to sell that bullshit. So just stop with the 9 month "lucky" heater shit. You are so unbelievably lucky to have got 84k out before they caught you. You've used up all your "luck".
Anyone believing your bullshit story is just ignorant and/or have not been around the industry and gaming very long and doesn't have an understanding of Mathematics, RNG, and variance within reason.
Yeah and I work for my bookie too.
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A bunch of us have tried NBA. For some people math is "garbage."Without hitting a significant jackpot of some sorts (200+K) there is literally no way to do what you did without exploiting a flaw. You came to the wrong forum to sell that bullshit. So just stop with the 9 month "lucky" heater shit. You are so unbelievably lucky to have got 84k out before they caught you. You've used up all your "luck".
Anyone believing your bullshit story is just ignorant and/or have not been around the industry and gaming very long and doesn't have an understanding of Mathematics, RNG, and variance within reason.
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Good to see that you have popped back on this board after being a ghost for a month, only to jump in on the #1 post thread on SBR. I know' it's tough reading about this incident and trying to hold back from chiming in.Without hitting a significant jackpot of some sorts (200+K) there is literally no way to do what you did without exploiting a flaw. You came to the wrong forum to sell that bullshit. So just stop with the 9 month "lucky" heater shit. You are so unbelievably lucky to have got 84k out before they caught you. You've used up all your "luck".
Anyone believing your bullshit story is just ignorant and/or have not been around the industry and gaming very long and doesn't have an understanding of Mathematics, RNG, and variance within reason.
Yeah and I work for my bookie too.
Apparently, you know about money being stolen as well, and it clearly doesn't sit well with you; especially for guy whom claims to have made "millions" of bets over the past 24 years. You talk about a bullshit story? Not that's a BULLSHIT STORY right there. Millions of bets. Beyond comical.
Good try though. Your post in THIS forum thread is deemed invalid by sheer default of your comments below. You stated the exact opposite just a month ago. Go swim in another lane, Sir. You lost complete credibility in just a heartbeat.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30133809
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They are the last book that stole money from me........I made a big thread about it here and at other forums severals years ago. 4 ish years ago
The cliff notes:
Over the years I deposited multiple times to play their casino as I truly loved their software and felt the games played more than fair. Fathers day rolled around and they sent me a sweet fathers day casino bonus. I deposit and proceed to run it up to 2.5k. I easily smash the rollover and request a withdraw. They email me back saying I violated the terms of the bonus. Sure enough buried in their rules in the finest of prints was the ole get out of jail free card that they planted there for moments just like this. When using the casino bonus chips the MAX per hand is $10 (per their fine print rules), but yet their software let you bet $25 a hand which is what I was betting not knowing about the buried fine print. Does that sound like an A book? I tipped my cap as they got me....bush league by a supposed industry leader for which I had dumped thousands to prior.
Yeah I'm sure a good number.......just stupid short sighted business model. If you are gonna bury a get out of jail free card in fine print you'd think you would be more selective when using it. (use it if a guy hits a 100k jackpot etc) I was a long time BIG loser there who authentically liked using their casino. I would of given that money back many times over and also not spent nearly 3 years bringing this thievery to life every chance I get.
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https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30178431
03-27-21 10:48 AM
"I have placed millions of bets over 24 years of betting online and I can probably count on one hand how many bets I've made have been graded incorrectly."Comment -
He's insulting our intelligence....over.....and......over.. ......and........over again. Enough already.....take the damn 84k and consider yourself the luckiest man on these forums and not because you exploited a flaw and won, but because you got paid and not paid some chicken shit figure either.
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Disagree with the first part of your post. Your comments are not based upon any facts. You don't know. It is luck. All it is. Just luck.
Second part of the post. Thank you. I still want the rest of the balance. They owe me that money. They need to pay up. They know it too.Comment -
The numbers needed to run that equation are:
1. His average bet. (sounds like it's about $5)
2. The players win % (probably between 45-47%. I think that's what most slots are designed to give up.)
3. Maximum jackpot. I think he said the most he ever won on a spin was $2,000.
4. Number of hands played (sounds like it was quite a lot.)
It's a complex equation and I don't have all the numbers to do it (nor do I want to waste the time)
Here's a standard deviation calculator if you want to mess around with it:
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LOL You don't know that the game(s) he was playing were +EV or not! You only know HE came out on the plus side!
Because you only have HIS results & not ALL the results from ALL the players spins during that period of time!!
Your "standard deviation" figures and coin flip percentages are based on ONE person doing it!
But HE wasn't the only one playing the slots at their casino! Hundreds of people were probably playing at same time.
If 100 different people flip a coin 100 times then some of them might get 80 - 20 heads tails ratio while somebody
else got 20-80 heads tails ratio, some would get 70-30 heads while others got 30-70, thus making ALL the flips together
come out near the expected results. It wasn't JUST HIM playing those slots! A lot of other people were playing too.
So How do you know that other players weren't losing huge on the same game while he was winning huge at it?
You have to put together ALL the other players combined spins along with his spins during the 9 months to see whether
the casino made or lost money OVERALL. They may have made exactly what the expected return was from all the spins
combined! You can't just look at one players results! Others may have been losing almost EVERY spin while he was
winning! Thus making the combined win/loss results from ALL players exactly what the casino should be expecting!Last edited by JoeCool20; 04-23-21, 03:36 AM.Comment -
Statistically, it does not matter if it was only him doing it or many players.
Let's take a different example. Let's say someone you know flipped a coin 1,000 times and it came up heads all 1,000 times. You'd probably suspect that the coin and/or his flipping motion were rigged, right? You wouldn't say "Well, his 1,000 heads are probably balanced out by 1,000 tails some guy in China just flipped." That would be preposterous. Same principle here. The numbers are the numbers.Comment -
My comments re: this thread
[1] It is obvious the OP **knows** there was a flaw in the slots(s) and that the OP exploited it. Note the OP's obfuscation when asked several times (in earlier posts) what his average/typical bet size was. He smoke-screened and refused to answer this because whilst the OP may not be the sharpest card in the deck, even he knows that it is mathematically impossible to rack up several 100K winnings on a slot with $5 bets (and he admits no jackpots hit). Eventually (after further pressing making it impossible to not answer without raising suspicion) the OP finally admits that his average/typical bet was $5. So initially we know that the OP **knew** he was exploiting a flaw and he tried to hide this from this forum. Note also that the OP has given up pretending that he did not know the slot was flawed (initially he denied it but then later makes statements such as "even if it was flawed, it is not my fault"). I refer the reader to several excellent posts (above) re: the maths and stats regarding this.
[2] The issue of whether or not a customer has the right to exploit a flaw and expect to get paid: If someone had come to this forum stating that they had bet a palpable error (i.e. a mistaken line or mistaken odds) and then expected to get paid I know exactly what this forum would say - "You are a chancer - we all play by the rules - you should not expect to get paid - go away". I have seen this many times before. No-one here who has any experience will support someone trying to cash in on bad lines / bad odds offered by a bookmaker.
[3] Exploiting a flawed slot is indistinguishable from betting a palpable error - in both cases the customer does not have a leg to stand on and we all know this
[4] The OP's strategy appears to be that for those posts he cannot refute (those based on maths and stats) he obfuscates. For those with even a glimmer of support he pretends that the post is fully supportive. The OP has only one objective which is to attempt to gain a further 210K after deliberately exploiting a flawed slot
[5] The OP pretends that the number of views of this thread is somehow related to "support" for him exploiting a flaw in a slot and expecting to get paid. In reality, readers of this forum are interested in seeing the results of a customer with a "claim" against a bookmaker for 6 figures and how the situation pans out - irrespective of what finally happens. This interest in no way equates to support - and based on the prior posts in this thread I would assess that readers are fully aware that exploitation of a flawed slot has occurred in this case and that support (if any) is related to a dislike of MB or bookmakers in general and is NOT related to the merits of this particular case (which clearly has no merit)
[6] Summary - the OP took advantage of a flawed slot. His obfuscation adds weight to the inescapable conclusion that the OP **knew** the slot was flawed. Betting a flawed slot is not distinguishable from betting a palpable error. There is no sympathy on this forum for those who bet obvious palps and then expect to get paid. The OP has remarkably been able to withdraw 84K - probably due to MB incompetence at not discovering the slot flaw sooner. The OP now wishes to attempt to gain a further 210k and expects this forum to support him. He expects support for betting a palp. This forum does not support those who bet a palp and expect to get paid. I doubt that MB will pay a dime more.Last edited by SportsBettor74; 04-23-21, 08:31 AM.Comment -
Thank you DTM.
Gamblers fallacy definition:
The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the erroneous belief that if a particular event occurs more frequently than normal during the past it is less likely to happen in the future, when it has otherwise been established that the probability of such events does not depend on what has happened in the past.Comment -
LOL we aren't talking about coin flips in China and other parts of the world we are talking about one online casino and one person's results in that casino. So until you find out the results of ALL the spins from all the players who were playing at that casino, then you will never find out whether or not the casino actually lost any money on the slots! I will say it again and then you can talk about China or statistics or anything else you want, so here goes again, you have no idea whether the casino lost money or not because you don't know what any of the other players won or lost besides this one player! Some other player may have lost $300,000 during the time frame that this guy won $200,000 so therefore the casino is up $100,000! You have no idea because you only have one player's results instead of all the casinos results! So stop claiming that you know what the numbers are for the casino when you only know what one player did LOL that is beyond preposterous! The casino may have made money off these slots during the last 9 months. And you have no idea whether they did or not because all you are doing is taking the results of one player and then totally assuming everything else which is terribly preposterous and beyond!Last edited by JoeCool20; 04-23-21, 09:39 AM.Comment -
I think you have made up a whole new fallacy called the fallacy of taking one single players statistics in a casino game and then assuming that since he won then that casino game must have lost overall. LOL it's hard to believe you would really do that and be serious. You have no idea whether the casino won or lost money overall on these casino games because you only have the results of one player! But one thing I know for sure is that you will never say yes you're right how could I assume the results of the overall game when all I have are the results of one player that was playing the game? So forget it!
But If you did ever say that then my answer would be I don't know why you are assuming something like that when you have no idea what the overall results were from all the players playing these games! The overall statistics and expected return for these casino games may be right where they are supposed to be! You have no idea whether they are or not because you only have the results of one player.Last edited by JoeCool20; 04-23-21, 09:49 AM.Comment -
All the data from ALL THE PLAYERS who played these slots is there to be analyzed by the casino. And they may have won money overall, we don't know if the casino won or lost money overall on these games because we only have the data of one player!
Anybody who has ever taken statistics or knows anything about the laws of probability knows that when you have ALL the data available, then you can't just pull out one piece of the data and then start making assumptions about all the other data!Comment -
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[[[[[1] It is obvious the OP **knows** there was a flaw in the slots(s) and that the OP exploited it. Note the OP's obfuscation when asked several times (in earlier posts) what his average/typical bet size was. He smoke-screened and refused to answer this because whilst the OP may not be the sharpest card in the deck, even he knows that it is mathematically impossible to rack up several 100K winnings on a slot with $5 bets (and he admits no jackpots hit). Eventually (after further pressing making it impossible to not answer without raising suspicion) the OP finally admits that his average/typical bet was $5. So initially we know that the OP **knew** he was exploiting a flaw and he tried to hide this from this forum. Note also that the OP has given up pretending that he did not know the slot was flawed (initially he denied it but then later makes statements such as "even if it was flawed, it is not my fault"). I refer the reader to several excellent posts (above) re: the maths and stats regarding this.]]]]]
Completely wrong. Baseless and speculative at best.
Regarding not being the sharpest card in the deck? Also baseless to make that accusation. All good. No offense taken there. It's social media, the norm nowadays.
You are just commenting from the outside based upon speculation. Nothing more. You have zero facts to support what you have stated.
I'm the Player. I lived it. It's my matter. It's my money. They stole it, period.
You can "theorize" all you want. It makes for a great discussion and drama. However, you're wrong.
Love reading this stuff though, it's entertaining!
Pay me My Bookie Casino.
You owe me my money.
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{{{{[4] The OP's strategy appears to be that for those posts he cannot refute (those based on maths and stats) he obfuscates. For those with even a glimmer of support he pretends that the post is fully supportive. The OP has only one objective which is to attempt to gain a further 210K after deliberately exploiting a flawed slot.}}}}
Once again, speculation. Zero facts.
Sounds like you work for My Bookie.
Wouldn't be surprised.
Please tell "J.R." I said "hi". (the "auditor" whom unilaterally seized my balance and disabled my account, and whom also works for My Bookie exclusively.)
Unless, of course, that's you....."J.R."..the "auditor".
Pay me My Bookie Casino.
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I'm not sure why some of you don't seem to understand a simple fact here.
Once again for the zillionth time, I played 7-10 slot games. These slot games are operated by Betsoft AND Nucleus. All have RNG technology. All are reviewed constantly for fairness, integrity, and compliance by the casino whom runs those games AND the slot game Operator.
I won a lot. I lost a lot. In the end of the 9-months of play, my balance is currently at $210,085.70. A net win from those 7-10 slots over this period of time.
There were no "glitches". You can't have "glitches in 7-10 slots. Impossible.
The bottom line is this: My Bookie just got tired of paying me because my balance is a huge liability to their revenue. Instead of promoting the fact that they have some big winners, which would help them capture increased business, they in turn, seize the money in fear of having to honor the payout of a Player's winnings; no matter how large they may be. That is proof of a shady online casino operation whom pretends to be a big-time online book/casino organization, to be nothing more than a complete fraudulent gaming operation.
They just are trying to find a way to eliminate the financial liability.
All of this "theorizing", assumptions, statistical analysis, standard deviation, "must have knowns", "took advantage of", BULLSHIT is worthless.
Where is the proof from My Bookie? Where are the documents of game play that they allegedly analyzed and "audited"?
I haven't seen any of it. Why? Because the premise for the seizing of my balance is pretext and complete BULLSHIT. That's why. Thy know. I know. Most of us on this post know it too.
Pay me My Bookie Casino.
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I understand what you are saying buddy. I guess there are some people on here that think everybody that plays slots is supposed to get a 99% return and lose 1% of their money like clockwork! LOL
They have no realization that somebody might win $200,000 while somebody else is losing $200,000 during that same time. So anytime they see a winner they just claim that person is exploiting some glitch in the game, or somehow cheating the casino!
Anytime they see a big winner they just immediately assume "foul play", and that something is "wrong" with the casino game since the win/loss percentages weren't statistically exactly what they're supposed to be for that one particular player. LOL I've never seen anything like it! ��Last edited by JoeCool20; 04-23-21, 11:16 AM.Comment -
I think the OP is now losing traction. Note the Op's failure to address my numbered points with valid counter-arguments and note his attempt (instead) to pursue an Ad hominem argument.
Note also that I have been here since 2019 and I have no affiliation with MB (I actually do have an account with them with around 1K and I do not trust them).
Note that when the Op is challenged with ordered arguments he fails to address those arguments and instead attempts to create smoke screens to obscure that fact that **he knew** the slot was flawed and is now attempting to scam 210k - and he is trying to leverage this by gaining support in this forum.
As I stated previously - no-one here supports a player who bet a palp - and no right minded individual should support your use of a flawed slot - **that you knew to be flawed** . It is the same as betting a palp and expecting to get paid.Comment -
{{{{[6] Summary - the OP took advantage of a flawed slot. His obfuscation adds weight to the inescapable conclusion that the OP **knew** the slot was flawed. Betting a flawed slot is not distinguishable from betting a palpable error. There is no sympathy on this forum for those who bet obvious palps and then expect to get paid. The OP has remarkably been able to withdraw 84K - probably due to MB incompetence at not discovering the slot flaw sooner. The OP now wishes to attempt to gain a further 210k and expects this forum to support him. He expects support for betting a palp. This forum does not support those who bet a palp and expect to get paid. I doubt that MB will pay a dime more.}}}}
Honestly, I don't need your support. I have plenty of that. Thank you to everyone on this forum whom have given their support and understand my position and the seriousness of this matter, not only for me, but potentially for other Players whom play at online casinos and have large balances (any balances actually) to protect from illegitimate seizure and online casino fraudulent activity.
SBR's support is what matters most in the end. They are taking this matter very seriously and are doing everything they can to help get me my money back.
I really appreciate everything they are doing, and hope to report back to this forum that their efforts in doing so were successful.
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Once again. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm not going to debate anything with you when you have no factual basis to make any of the claims you have made.
You are in the vast minority of your position, and that is OK.
When you have a balance somewhat close to mine, and when they seize your balance ad-hoc, then come chat with me again. You'll understand. You won't be so keen to take the position you have taken currently.
Best of luck. Hope you grow your $1,000 balance with them and get paid-out, before they disable your account and seize it.Comment -
The only person that doesn't understand how it works is you, apparently. We all know you can win $200,000 in slots. However, it's not possible to win almost $300,000 on $1-$3 avg bets with $2,000(roughly) being his largest slot hit.
If you can't see the obvious fact that something doesn't add up here, it's you that doesn't understand.Comment
