-
Comment -
No need to be rude, plus BAC is actually correct.
This has occurred before and been backed by Court decisions (plural).
You get sort of a pass both because web Search is now partisan- plus... pretty much only arcane, lawyer-speak, manual tome-reading history buffs are up on all the minutiae. Or in other words, MANY lawyers and history majors don't know this either.
Technically-
1. Pence as President of the Senate has the absolute unilateral right to:
A. Select which of the dueling Electoral delegations to count, or
B. Toss both for any or all those 7 States. Especially if he picks the ones sent by the State Legislatures instead of the Governors, as the US Constitution mandates. No appeal to the Supremes should be able to reverse this (even though it wasn't by their full session). If this occurs,
C. The vote leader does NOT need 270 to be declared President.
2. However unlikely, the State Legislatures still have until the 6th (& even beyond that) to officially session and flip vote \ void vote \ do Election over again.
3. Individual objections to each State count can be lodged, minimum 2 hour private debate on each mandated- then full vote.
A. Vote supposed to be 1 per Senator and 1 per State in the House ( new Session will be about 30-20 Repub). Both chambers must agree.
B. In the unlikely event that by the 18th no President agreed on, election goes to the House ONLY, 1 vote per State delegation.
To be fair, your Candidate can still prevail, even if for all the wrong reasons.
There is a chance NONE of the above occurs-Supremes want no part of this, many lawmakers fear riots, there are enough Rinos to sabotage everything, China has bought off many on both sides from local thru Federal levels- including McConnell, Soros through Epstein has others compromised.
Pence's balls can shrink (or get reversed by Supremes because the alternate Delegations weren't sent by the full State Assemblies in session), Pelosi & McConnell are scheming together- for one they can change House procedures to make 1 vote per person instead- and however unconstitutional that would be, the Supremes likely won't want to get involved.
Plus in the Senate the Rinos may switch sides.
Never mind right or wrong, all that's needed is enough votes and a complicit press rallying the Public to put pressure.
In the past, Nixon lost the nerve to pick the correct State delegation in one instance, while Jefferson used it successfully in his time.
In another, Congress just decided to seat a loser for a Congressional seat because the Dems had a majority. And all the Republicans did was en masse walk out in protest, zero appeal to the Supreme Court.
At the end of the day I would still bet on Trump. His plan is to simultaneously present bombshell evidence to Congress and to the people on the 6th. The evidence includes classified forensic proof and seized material by highest military and Defense levels, plus testimony from key players they've flipped.
I personally disagree with this plan. Trump wants to win the hearts and minds first. I think it's a weak move, but i understand not wanting to set precedent for some future grand evildoer.
Because China is involved, plus Domestic terrorism running unchecked, Trump has the right to invoke Wartime Presidential Powers \ Sedition Act \ Martial Law...
This is what i would've done. I'd already had the military seize all the machines, Homeland go thru all phone calls and transactions... Then run all involved thru military tribunals. The public would've already been presented with evidence, and a couple of firing squads \ life sentences would serve as deterrent.
Because the widespread election fraud occurred in practically all States, but where it was unsuccessful it's getting a pass. Who knows how many in Congress and local levels have been cheated out the last few years.
This is the way to look at things- from both sides. With critical thinking, no triggering, no fanboi.Comment -
Thank you acquavalloComment -
[Quote:]
At the end of the day I would still bet on Trump. His plan is to simultaneously present bombshell evidence to Congress and to the people on the 6th. The evidence includes classified forensic proof and seized material by highest military and Defense levels, plus testimony from key players they've flipped.
I personally disagree with this plan. Trump wants to win the hearts and minds first. I think it's a weak move, but i understand not wanting to set precedent for some future grand evildoer.
Because China is involved, plus Domestic terrorism running unchecked, Trump has the right to invoke Wartime Presidential Powers \ Sedition Act \ Martial Law...
This is what i would've done. I'd already had the military seize all the machines, Homeland go thru all phone calls and transactions... Then run all involved thru military tribunals. The public would've already been presented with evidence, and a couple of firing squads \ life sentences would serve as deterrent.
Because the widespread election fraud occurred in practically all States, but where it was unsuccessful it's getting a pass. Who knows how many in Congress and local levels have been cheated out the last few yea
This is the way to look at things- from both sides. With critical thinking, no triggering, no fanboi.[/QUOTE]
I just got through reading an article about the procedure on the 6th and it clearly stated that no evidence or witnesses can be offered during the 5 minutes each Congress person has to debate the challenge.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/congress-...103804209.html. The reason being that the proceedings are not a trial.Comment -
how many trump supporters does it take to change a light bulb.
trick question, no answer--trump supporters live in darknessComment -
It's not rude to make an observation on his broken English. It's the reason he thinks that the election can be overturned at this point. He probably comes from some country like Russia(I'd guess Eastern Europe) that has an all for show Presidential "election" and he thinks that's just the way government works. It's not how the US works. Your whole argument is no different than saying something like Trump can declare martial law for the next 4 years and the courts could rule it legal. Can it technically happen? Yes. It's as realistic as the Lakers beating the Clippers 300-0 in a game. Can it technically happen? Yes.
This entire thread is silly. There is NO realm of possibility in which the Electoral votes get thrown out, NONE. It's insane how gullible people have becomeComment -
Replying to @Maximus_4EVR
"FYI Wisconsin Update -Wisconsin Legislature to introduce resolution to decert state and award it to Trump on Thursday; first order or business.
-Resolution does NOT require Governor signature.
-Already posted online https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/202.../proposals/ar3 "
Comment -
Never seen so much inaccurate info. in one thread, but acquavallo's truly takes the cake.
Enjoy the inauguration, everybody.Comment -
We'll all get to see who's correct on Wednesday....Comment -
This is wrong - it needs a straight majority in both chambers. The Democrats have the House, and it wouldn't pass the Senate either. Votes of 1 per state delegation only apply to a contingent election, which isn't a scenario that's possible now.
Biden will be certified tomorrow as the new President, and like all of the theories about overturning his election, it will prove to be a non-event. All the court cases were thrown out, which is what happens when you produce no evidence. No states have contested or decertified their electors. No states have failed to submit electors (which might have lead to the contingent election mentioned above). In constitutional terms, it's all been totally normal - there's never really been any serious attempt to contest the election, because there was no justification for doing so.Comment -
Oh, this is also wrong, contingent elections only apply to electoral college counts where nobody has a majority. If standard procedures don't result in a president, then on the 20th Trump's term ends, as specified in the 20th amendment: "Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January"
Presidential succession rules then apply (section 3). Next is the vice-president, but that office is vacant because his term also ended on the 20th. Next in line is the Speaker of the House.....
President Pelosi. That happens on the 20th, automatically, if Biden is not sworn in.Comment -
Gentlemen, here's EXACTLY what is going to occur in Congress on January 6 PROCEDURALLY (all speculation and partisanship aside, and as you will note- nothing unconstitutional is being planned -or would have a chance of succeeding. Each Party \ each member of Congress gets their fair say, no one's voice is silenced. This ensures the Republic survives. If say, most of us wanted the Whigs to impose rule, then next election the Tories could just do the same- and further, imprison the rivals and us supporters.):
1. The President of the Senate (VP Pence) will open each State's delegate votes envelope and add it to the Certified count, in alphabetical order.
(Fyi 1 or 2 States will have a split vote. This is habitual \ constitutional \ mathematically irrelevant here.)
2. It's possible that for any\each\every State an objection to certifying their count is lodged.
It REQUIRES at least 1 member of EACH- Senate & House, and triggers Congress to retire for private debate @ minimum 2 hours. This is explicit in the Constitution \ has always been followed, including very recently \ cannot be circumvented by any procedural rules change- even if unanimously- barring an Amendment to the Constitution.
IN PRACTICAL TERMS each objection will last a lot longer than 2 hours, especially because:
3. A bipartisan Fraud Committee for this year's Election Certification is being hastily formed.
4. After the private debating Congress will reconvene and vote in single person format to accept or deny the lodged objection. This voting format has been a bone of contention. IMO the House vote should be in 1 vote per State format (as it will surely be IF they end up deciding the President, btw the Senate would then vote in identical fashion for the VP), as stated in the Constitution. It also makes no sense for several hundred Representatives to obliterate 100 Senators, but i digress- there are more Democrats (allied with significant numbers of Rinos). Theoretically could be appealed to the Supremes, highly unlikely though.
5. Seven States have sent rival delegations. Pence is going to strictly follow the US Constitution here, which states that only the State Assemblies have the full plenary power to dictate all Federal Election laws and procedures (governors and state officials have no power to overrule them whatsoever). Accordingly, he will send a formal request to each Legislature asking that they respond as to which delegation is to be counted. And btw, they are allowed to respond as they wish- including tossing both and selecting another one, or to decide not to certify any (thus invalidating their vote completely for the particular election), or even to do over the Election.
But it must be a formal answer, so voted in Session. Those that aren't would need to to convene a special session.
Fyi in some States only the Governor can call a special session (and ALL, on both sides of the aisle have refused to so far), but constitutionally this would be an exception where Legislatures can bypass the Governor. Whether this is actual done remains to be seen though. (Look for Assemblies to rectify this in the future, extending sessions to include December and January.)
For what it's worth, 5 of the 7 states in question have Republican Governors and Assembly majorities.
6. Pence will give each Legislature a deadline date, and refuse to certify any State's votes that remain contested without a formal reply. He will NOT individually select between one or the other.
7. The Constitution, IMO, dictates that the overall vote leader becomes President WITHOUT needing to reach overall majority (270. Without the 7 contested States Trump leads 232-220)).
BUT, the Dems being in majority, i doubt this occurs. So then,
8. The Presidential Election goes to the House (only)- 1 vote per State Delegation. Presently running about 30-20 Republican.
And the Senate would select the VP in identical 1 vote per State fashion.
9. Look for the entire Certification process to drag on another coupla weeks for sure, with a small possibility of right up until or even past Inauguration Day. Certainly NOT a 1\2 day deal.
9. I don't see any chance for Biden. Would require too many unconstitutional missteps by both houses of Congress in unison and then the Supreme Court approving it on appeal.
Other points to ponder:
Under the Tells category-
A. White House has issued order cancelling Staff moving out procedures that had been scheduled to commence January 4.
B. Kamala hasn't given up her Congressional seat yet.
C. Biden Defense Briefings have been and remain paused.
Look for immediate, major Election overhaul. Many more States, both Red and Blue suffered Biden ballot stuffing and flipping from Trump... As well as Congressional and other races downballot. There's lots of disclosed fraud evidence also for among others Texas, California, Minnesota, New York, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa, Illinois, Kentucky, Alabama...
Both parties cheated, but overwhelmingly about 8\9 to 1\2 Dems.
Trump NOT interested re invoking Sedition \ Martial. Despite of enemy countries election interference. It would open to the door for future nefarious administrations.
(IMO he will likely be forced to because of widespread disturbances- for one, the people congregating in DC will likely come under massive attack.)
He's more interested in presenting all evidence to Congress and the American people.
I do hope we get Treason trials as needed, otherwise this will never stop. It's just too obvious and out of control. Nationally, over 30 million more voted that were never Registered or were verifiably dead \ minors \ incarcerated \ non-Citizen \ do not exist \ voted multiple times \ etc.
On CNN and others with access to live Election data, you could actually see Trump vote counts diminishing on successive flashes and Biden counts with single flash jumps to leapfrog to the lead- like the World Series of Poker.
It's extremely embarrassing.Comment -
Thank you acquavallo, nice explanation.Comment -
Again: objections to an electoral college vote are simple majorities, as per 3 U.S. Code § 15. One vote per state delegation only applies to the specific scenario of a contingent election, as per the 12th amendment. This means that objections cannot pass tomorrow - it would need to pass both chambers, and there's not even any chance it passes the Senate, let alone the Democrat controlled House.
In other words: this is all a stunt to appeal to the base. Literally everyone involved in congress knows this.
Contested slates of electoral college votes would have to be passed specifically by a state legislature. None have done so - you can verify this on the US archivist site, which maintains public record of all states' submissions of their elector certificates. For example, here is the (only) Certificate of Vote submitted by Wisconsin: https://www.archives.gov/files/elect...-wisconsin.pdf
These are the certificates that will be counted tomorrow.
By the way, Mike Pence has blown off tomorrow and won't be there. Meanwhile, here (Scotland) we've been told to expect a presidential jet on Jan 19th at Prestwick, the airport right next to Trump's golf club.Comment -
@ HeeeHAWWWW
you know in wisconsin they casting dual electors vote right? (democratic & republican)
so the certificate @ https://www.archives.gov/files/elect...-wisconsin.pdf belong the the democratic
mike pence tomorrow can open both electors college vote from democratic & republican as well .Comment -
BAC, did you check with doctor recently?
Asking for a friend.Comment -
Comment -
acquavallo's post could not be more inaccurate. This thread is hilarious.
Enjoy the inauguration, everyone.Comment -
Looks like Trump's epic whining session has managed to lose them the Senate too. There goes what remains of his legacy and importance in the party.Comment -
Comment -
Looking good for BAC.
Trump up 12-0
Heading to debate Arizona electors.Comment -
Will go down in the Senate by maybe 20-75 or something, depending on who abstains. Perhaps won't even get that many, as McConnell just said on the Senate floor it would "Send democracy into a death spiral"
House more GOP prolly vote for it (more straight crazies there than the senate), but obviously no chance given Dems have a majority.
Objections need to pass both.Comment -
Think the Arizona objection got all of 6 votes in the Senate. Two of those are standing on the Trump-successor platform in 2024, so using this to advance their cause.
This whole thing was dead in the water even before today, but after the riots a bundle of maybes now want nothing to do with it, and a few declared Yes's also switched.Comment -
Just came for the fun thread. I'm not naming any names here but folks if you're too dumb to understand this please don't just spout off and create false "information" that can then lead to other sheep getting confused. You saw yesterday what happens when too many people believes lies. There was nothing Pence could legally do yesterday, there was nothing Republicans could legally do yesterday. It's over, move on.Comment -
What's sad is that the election was decided 2 months ago and it wasn't that close. Anyone with a shred of decency would've conceded back then.Comment -
biden sworn-in on jan 20 and he have to take office, and until then you can call it's over.
trump is still the president until sworn-in ceremony.
Placed 01/01/2021 @ 01:38 PM Risk: $19.00 - Win: $199.50 All 5 leaders still in their jobs on 21/01/21 11.50 Game Start 01/11/2021 @ 12:00 AM
Placed 01/01/2021 @ 12:54 PM Risk: $19.00 - Win: $199.50 All 5 leaders still in their jobs on 21/01/21 11.50 Game Start 01/11/2021 @ 12:00 AM
Placed 01/01/2021 @ 12:52 PMRisk: $19.00 - Win: $199.50 All 5 leaders still in their jobs on 21/01/21 11.50 Game Start 01/11/2021 @ 12:00 AM
Placed 01/01/2021 @ 12:50 PMRisk: $19.00 - Win: $199.50 All 5 leaders still in their jobs on 21/01/21 11.50 Game Start 01/11/2021 @ 12:00 AMComment -
"Today, President Donald J. Trump declared that an emergency exists in the District of Columbia and ordered Federal assistance to supplement the District’s response efforts due to the emergency conditions resulting from the 59th Presidential Inauguration from January 11 to January 24, 2021."
President Donald J. Trump Approves District of Columbia Emergency Declaration
this is great news because biden's inauguration going to be delayed until Jan 24 ! I'm going to win a total of $874 !
"All 5 leaders still in their jobs on 21/01/21"
Comment -
No. It's in the Constitution that the new President takes office on the 20th. No one has the power to delay the inauguration. Haven't you realized by now that all the BS that's been fed to you about this election is wrong?
Not only did he bet Trump, he went ALL IN on Trump. Can't make this shit up
Comment -
he take office after sworn-in ceremony and the sworn-in ceremony delayed until Jan 24Comment
