Just got banned from 5Dimes for betting a "bad line". #1 rated sportsbook huh?!

[bobbywaves]

You are right, it's not your fault.

However....
the banks books and records eventually do not reconcile, and they discover the error. They eventually debit your account for the amount you spent that did not belong to you. If you have the funds, then they get their money back. If you do not, they start charging you interest for the credit that was extended to you. If you cannot pay back including the interest that is accruing, then they eventually report you to the agencies effectively ruining your credit and your ability to do anything such as rent an apartment, buy a home, get a job, open utilities or a mobile phone line, etc. (assuming you live in the U.S. of A). This and deploying aggressive debt collectors to retrieve their money causing further aggravation for you simply because you thought you could take a shot and spend money that accidentally ended up in your account due to a glitch or human error.

But hey, it wasn't your fault....

What about if someone was planning on filing bankruptcy anyway, due to a plethora of debt?

[JumpoffJoeBeezy]

I love how everybody gets on their high horse when it comes to these threads, like they are going to get brownie points by siding with the book. What's so hard about just cancelling the wager?

I have my own grievances with 5dimes, but they are hands down my favorite book. However, in this case, they simply aren't taking responsibility for their own mistake, and in turn blaming the bettor. Cancel the wager. Refund the money bet. Change the line to what it should be. Simple.

[JoeCool20]

I love how everybody gets on their high horse when it comes to these threads, like they are going to get brownie points by siding with the book. What's so hard about just cancelling the wager?

I have my own grievances with 5dimes, but they are hands down my favorite book. However, in this case, they simply aren't taking responsibility for their own mistake, and in turn blaming the bettor. Cancel the wager. Refund the money bet. Change the line to what it should be. Simple.

LOL Yeah the fact that anyone would get on this thread and say:
"THEY put the line out, but it was YOUR fault for betting it." Is the most hilarious thing I have ever heard! But the fact that a S-book would say that to somebody is grounds for being shut down! "WE are a sportsbook that puts lines out for you to bet on, and we put a line out, but YOUR account is closed and we are stealing your money for betting it." LOL They should be shut down for such absurdity! Oh yeah, they won't be shut down because they can do whatever they want and steal people's money and NOTHING can be done about it!
My only question is, how many customers did they ban and steal money from for betting these "bad lines" that are 100% THEIR fault for putting out! So EVERYBODY who bet certain NBA futures lines got banned and got their money stolen? OMG! How many customers did they ban/lose? And how much money did they steal/profit for accepting bets on a couple of futures lines that THEY put out themselves? Hell, the line may be 5,000 to 1 odds now so they can steal even more money from people who bet on it! LOL

[Ghenghis Kahn]

As I mentioned, they scolded me for betting a bad line during the golf US open (6 months ago).

I never side with the books but OP bet on a bad line before and they warned him. Anyone that's been using offshores for a while knows if you make wagers on bad lines, it's an automatic ban after a warning. If other books are offering 50-1 and 5Dimes if offering 500-1, it's a bad fukking line. Use common sense and don't touch that shit. It's that simple.

[ShanghaiBeijing1]

I never side with the books but OP bet on a bad line before and they warned him. Anyone that's been using offshores for a while knows if you make wagers on bad lines, it's an automatic ban after a warning. If other books are offering 50-1 and 5Dimes if offering 500-1, it's a bad fukking line. Use common sense and don't touch that shit. It's that simple.

You've unpacked this entire issue very well.

I think the majority of us have little sympathy for operators in this industry. However the OP was warned and then continued engaging in activity that this book, and all other books, deem unacceptable. Does not matter whether they created the situation inadvertently.

And now he wants his account reinstated and has some sort of vendetta against SBR for promoting this book? I don't understand this at all. Why should they continue to let the OP play on their platform when he's already confirmed to them that he's not willing to follow a condition that they've laid out for him and warned him about already.

[DISTROYA]

If you bet bad lines, there are only a few possible outcomes:
1) bet goes through, by some miracle it hits AND you get paid (extremely rare but has happened)
2) they freeroll your ass and cancel in progress, if bet looks like it has a shot (less rare but not common)
3) they cancel your wager and refund the risk, and mark you down as a sharp who takes advantage of bad lines (most common)
4a-keep your money and ban you (very rare) 4b-return your money and ban you (most common)

I cant possibly understand, unless your a big-time novice to the world of sports gambling that you didnt consider all of these being possibilities.
Just be thankful and take your money and run. Its not like their numbers cant be found anywhere or beaten.

[bobbywaves]

I never side with the books but OP bet on a bad line before and they warned him. Anyone that's been using offshores for a while knows if you make wagers on bad lines, it's an automatic ban after a warning. If other books are offering 50-1 and 5Dimes if offering 500-1, it's a bad fukking line. Use common sense and don't touch that shit. It's that simple.

It's not the customers responsibility to compare lines, just to know what line is bad or not. It's the books job to post a line. If they fukk up & can't do their job properly, they need to honor the bet & fire the lines maker.

[ShanghaiBeijing1]

If they fukk up & can't do their job properly, they need to honor the bet

Why do they need to honor the bet? This position makes no sense at all.

However maybe this is your opinion, and if so, it's incorrect but you are entitled to it.

[bobbywaves]

Why do they need to honor the bet? This position makes no sense at all.

Makes perfect sense. My grocery store fukks up often. They leave the sale price up after the sale has ended. When I go to customer service, they honor the sale price. Why would the store do that? Let me tell you why. Because it was their fukk up, their false advertising of price. So of course they are going to refund me, to prevent my lawsuit.

Same theory applies to these crappy sportsbooks, who hang bad lines on purpose to free roll unsuspecting customers who may not know it’s a bad line.

[ShanghaiBeijing1]

Makes perfect sense. My grocery store fukks up often. They leave the sale price up after the sale has ended. When I go to customer service, they honor the sale price. Why would the store do that? Let me tell you why. Because it was their fukk up, their false advertising of price. So of course they are going to refund me, to prevent my lawsuit.

Same theory applies to these crappy sportsbooks, who hang bad lines on purpose to free roll unsuspecting customers who may not know it’s a bad line.

Okay I understand your first point now, but this is no where comparable to the situation that has occurred. Some states have deceptive pricing laws but those do not even really apply to the situation you've described. I'll leave it at that since that's not really the issue at hand.

The OP agreed to 5 dimes T&C's by opening an account and depositing funds with the book. As is clear on the sports book rules page, he's violated the T&Cs twice by his own admission. The T&Cs he's violated are below:

"Immediately upon discovery, wagers placed on an event with an obvious erroneous line resulting from human error will be graded no action or voided...Line errors include (but are not limited to) backwards lines, price errors; typos, misspellings or incorrect wordings that affect the essence of the line intended; incorrect team/players listed in match ups, etc.

If a wager with an erroneous line is not voided before the game/play begins, Management reserves the right to remedy the odds to a fair market price which would have been available at the time the wager was placed. This price remedy may be applied during or after an event. Only the odds will be corrected on an erroneous line. The risk amount, applicable spread and total will always remain unchanged. A player will never benefit from betting on a clear erroneous line. Repeat offenders will not be tolerated."

Source: https://www.5dimes.eu/sb_rules.html

So if it's your wish that they honor the bet, then that's a perfectly reasonable opinion. But the books needing to do this is completely nonsensical.

[bobbywaves]

Of course the books won’t honor the bad line they’re responsible for, as it’s not in their best financial interest to do so. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do the right thing & honor the bad price they made available. They know customers have no legal recourse & are subject to their pathetic free rolling tactics.

Reputable companies like ShopRite will always honor a bad price, as it’s obviously their fault & not the customers fault. We know sportsbooks located in 3rd World countries are not reputable, there’s a saying they need to understand: “The customer is always right.”

[DontTailMe]

I love how everybody gets on their high horse when it comes to these threads, like they are going to get brownie points by siding with the book. What's so hard about just cancelling the wager?

I have my own grievances with 5dimes, but they are hands down my favorite book. However, in this case, they simply aren't taking responsibility for their own mistake, and in turn blaming the bettor. Cancel the wager. Refund the money bet. Change the line to what it should be. Simple.

I don't get it either. Fine, in this case, the odds were pretty obvoius....to some. But what if someone isn't really paying much attention. They know the odds look good, but they don't realize the odds are "obviously" wrong. Not every bettor has the same level of sophistication and experience.

And then there is my example. I placed a parlay bet with one leg at -1950 odds (95.12% implied probability). The next morning I woke up to a cancelled parlay wager and a scathing email threatening my account status if I ever dared bet on a bad line again. I immediately go to check the updated odds, and they were -3000 (96.77% implied probability). I mean, come on. LOLOLOL

So you can take extreme examples like this one and try to argue that what 5Dimes is doing is righteous. But really, they should take accountability for their own mistakes. We have already surrendered to the books an ability to cancel any wager they deem erroneous (which is kind of silly in and of itself but whatever), and that should be their remedy. Harassing people is simply beyond the pale, especially when it's sometimes difficult even for experienced bettors to understand what 5Dimes thinks is a "bad line" vs. just competitively priced odds. They're the only book that treats customers this way.

I love 5Dimes overall as a book, but their policy in this area is a huge black mark on their reputation.

[JoeCool20]

I love 5Dimes overall as a book, but their policy in this area is a huge black mark on their reputation.

LOL If I was them, I'd do something similar to this on EVERY game!


5 Dimes offshore sportsbook. San Fran vs. Seattle.... Line, San Fran -35.

Whoever bets it....EITHER SIDE.... They tell you that THEIR "bad line" mistake is YOUR fault,

and they steal your money and close your account.

[wiseguyjer]

they been pulling the same shit for years, another thing they do is misgrade, grade losers as winners and when you think you have more than you suppose to have they snatch it from your account and void wagers

[Kaboomba]

Are they giving your money back at least? Like the money you had in your account before those wagers were placed

[hustledouble]

I've previously been given a "warning" for betting into a "bad line"; in my case the bad line was like a Points + Assists instead of Points + Rebounds NBA Prop. At the time I was just moving so quickly through the props I didn't realize it said one and not the other (it was for like Andre Drummond or someone like that). I don't think it's right that they banned you unless you were making it a habitual thing after several warnings. At the same time, I don't think wanting to play at a book that obviously doesn't want your action serves either party well in the long run. The only thing is I hope they refund your deposit.

[RedApples]

I'm as hard on 5Dimes as anyone, and definitely don't think they should be a A+ book.

That being said, I find it hard to sympathize with the OP. 5Dimes has the right to deny dealing with anyone they want at any time. I hardly think anyone in their right mind would begrudge them this right. If so, how? Why? I would extend the same right to anyone who wants to deal with anyone ever. That right does not extend to stealing from a customer or doing wrong to them in any way, simply denying the right to conduct business with them.

Is putting up bad lines 5Dimes fault? Yes, absolutely. It is so much their fault, that it is going to cost them business. Instead of having a perfectly efficient book that always puts up correct lines, and thus maximizes their potential clientele, they will in turn have to cease doing business completely with people who attempt to abuse this avenue. They've deemed that it isn't worth their time or money to police such type accounts, or at least thats the way I'm reading it.

If I'm 5Dimes in this scenario, I probably do the same. If I'm inefficient as a book and I have someone essentially attempting to cheat me or take advantage of me, I'm going to cease doing business with them. Let's be honest and recognize that 5Dimes is about as inefficient as they get in all avenues of bookmaking now.

In summation, 5Dimes did the only thing they could do given how inefficient they are as a book. They put out a bad line, their fault, and they are paying for that fault by losing you as a customer. Does it pay off for them in the long run? Only they will know. But you cannot cry about the way they choose to conduct business.

I'd feel a hint of compassion if you didn't intentionally attempt to bet bad lines. But you simply got caught taking advantage of the system. You shouldn't feel blindsided or wronged in the least. You would do the same if you were in their shoes.

[dxp]

more bad lines from 5dimes? what a shocker!

i'm not so sure someone should be able to pick off those numbers as bad lines. they seem absurd at first, but are they really? the celtics aren't highly thought of this year, and they just lost heyward. the raptors are thought of as even weaker. they were like 11 point underdogs to the lakers the other night. even the cavs were only 10 point underdogs to the sixers tonight, who a lot of people view as the best the east has to offer. and then the mavs? it would take a legit miracle for them to win the title.

it's possible someone could think the odds are 250-1 or 300-1, but the book is stretching it. regardless, there's no excuse that numerous futures are so wildly off. it wasn't an added number on a single line by mistake. stop penetrating up lines and you won't have to cancel things.

customer service not allowing him to talk to someone and giving the cold shoulder is what truly sucks about 5dimes. they are literally worthless in that area. you just can't get help for anything of importance or something that requires individual thought. it's only script responses.

[semibluff]

Bad Lines/Past-Posting

SBR Sportsbook can and will exercise its own unique discretion in situations including but not limited to past-posting and bad line play. If SBR deems a player to repeatedly take shots in clear bad line or past-post situations, SBR reserves the right to limit or banish the player from the SBR Sportsbook.

[Optional]

i'm not so sure someone should be able to pick off those numbers as bad lines.

If you really can't recognize these are obviously wrong

Celtics 500-1, Raptors 500-1. Mavericks 500-1

Then I don't how to help you.


At least the OP was honest and didn't write paragraphs making up lame excuses. He said he knew from the start. Like a man would. He probably didn't want to look like he knew nothing by trying to claim it wasn't obvious.

[MrSink]

I would say one thing in this matter

Although, regarding those lines it is quite obvious that 500 to 1 is definetely a clear mistake. Bookmaker has the right to write to you that they made mistake and the bets are cancelled , especially regarding futures after your team records is likely still the same and real time odds are not moving.

However the whole policy about cancelling the bet in the case the bookmaker made mistake is just garbage. It is extremely rare that you can change your bet in case of your mistake so it should be a rare spot for bookmaker as well . and this is a game between you and bookmaker. You are looking for other side mistakes . The more bookmakers are cancelling bets or limiting accounts early the bigger wrigglers they are . I remember last year that EU book did not change his future for playoff series after game 6 so odds were representing +200 instead of -105. I d bet that . How would you interpret that ? Should I be banned for placing +EV bet ? The book ended up paying me without any notice and this is how reliable A+ book should work like . This is their mistake . They can make a note about you placing those kind of bets , limiting you after a while in proccess but mistake is mistake . Most should be payed to a bettor .

However , considering OP history placing only those kind of pricey futures with odds better than over the market I am not suprised that your account is closed . You are clearly searching only for those mistakes. Noone would like that . Limiting in the process is just a matter of time .

[dxp]

If you really can't recognize these are obviously wrong

Celtics 500-1, Raptors 500-1. Mavericks 500-1

Then I don't how to help you.


At least the OP was honest and didn't write paragraphs making up lame excuses. He said he knew from the start. Like a man would. He probably didn't want to look like he knew nothing by trying to claim it wasn't obvious.

i stand by my point, it was just worded very poorly. not everyone is robert de niro in casino. personally, if i went to check out nascar or golf futures, the favorites could be listed at 400-1 and i'd have no clue. all i'm saying is not everyone is looking to cheat, searching for bad lines or is evaluating book to book lines like a pro or thief.

obviously a moot point since the OP knew what he was doing. but the big issue still remains; how many times can you screw up lines and then blame the customer? how hard is it to NOT butcher numerous NFL and NBA futures at once? and then to close the account and deny a chat request? do the job properly and none of this becomes a problem.

[Optional]

i stand by my point, it was just worded very poorly. not everyone is robert de niro in casino. personally, if i went to check out nascar or golf futures, the favorites could be listed at 400-1 and i'd have no clue. all i'm saying is not everyone is looking to cheat, searching for bad lines or is evaluating book to book lines like a pro or thief.

obviously a moot point since the OP knew what he was doing. but the big issue still remains; how many times can you screw up lines and then blame the customer? how hard is it to NOT butcher numerous NFL and NBA futures at once? and then to close the account and deny a chat request? do the job properly and none of this becomes a problem.

I do get what you mean and basically agree.

I've been caught out making an honest mistake and betting a bad line there myself. This just isn't that though. When that happens, once or twice, they don't boot you usually.

[newton0038]

If you really can't recognize these are obviously wrong

Celtics 500-1, Raptors 500-1. Mavericks 500-1

Then I don't how to help you.


At least the OP was honest and didn't write paragraphs making up lame excuses. He said he knew from the start. Like a man would. He probably didn't want to look like he knew nothing by trying to claim it wasn't obvious.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/03/5000-1-outsider-leicester-city-bookmakers

Was The 5000-1 a bad line when bookies left it up for how long then couldn't wait to buy those bets back when Leicester City was on their way to making the books pay for their gross negligence of price management.

[dxp]

I do get what you mean and basically agree.

I've been caught out making an honest mistake and betting a bad line there myself. This just isn't that though. When that happens, once or twice, they don't boot you usually.

i definitely agree with you about that part. if someone is warned or it's an obvious continual pattern, then account closure should be expected at some point. you're clearly playing with fire.

i still think it sucks though he couldn't get the option to chat. i guess details can certainly be missing? maybe he previously had it and was told not to do it again? who knows. but even then, just connect and give the "you were warned and now you're finished here." message and be done with it.

[DISTROYA]

never forget the one time I bet a longshot gymastics futures on the olympics...The country didnt place 1st as wagered but they graded it a win and paid 40 to 1... Greatest heist ever in my life. And FCUK NO didnt think of reporting, fcuk them.

[DontTailMe]

never forget the one time I bet a longshot gymastics futures on the olympics...The country didnt place 1st as wagered but they graded it a win and paid 40 to 1... Greatest heist ever in my life. And FCUK NO didnt think of reporting, fcuk them.

One book gave mistakenly me an extra $1k on a bitcoin payout once. This was about a year and a half ago, so I'm probably safe by now

[hubiebrown]

I'm the original poster and I'm here to tell you, it's a fine line / slippery slope that the only way to "win" in this game is to bet "good" numbers, but if the numbers you bet are "too" good then you're banned and treated like a criminal.

Basically we're being taught to try to make money in a game where only 2% of people are profitable, but if we spot an opportunity that looks really good, stay the F away or you could lose your access to being one of the 98% losers.

[semibluff]

I'm the original poster and I'm here to tell you, it's a fine line / slippery slope that the only way to "win" in this game is to bet "good" numbers, but if the numbers you bet are "too" good then you're banned and treated like a criminal.

Basically we're being taught to try to make money in a game where only 2% of people are profitable, but if we spot an opportunity that looks really good, stay the F away or you could lose your access to being one of the 98% losers.

All you're doing is scouring the internet for typos and other errors and trying to earn a living from those mistakes. You're entitled to do that. What you're not entitled to is victim status when sites bounce you.

[jjgold]

Part of the game

[hubiebrown]

All you're doing is scouring the internet for typos and other errors and trying to earn a living from those mistakes. You're entitled to do that. What you're not entitled to is victim status when sites bounce you.

That is not what i'm doing at all. If my account has thousands of bets on it, and less than 5 are "bad lines", does that mean all I'm doing is scouring for typos and other errors? Earning a living? You must be kidding me, or is that your version of a semi-bluff?

[Optional]

I'm the original poster and I'm here to tell you, it's a fine line / slippery slope that the only way to "win" in this game is to bet "good" numbers, but if the numbers you bet are "too" good then you're banned and treated like a criminal.

Basically we're being taught to try to make money in a game where only 2% of people are profitable, but if we spot an opportunity that looks really good, stay the F away or you could lose your access to being one of the 98% losers.

You're right of course.

But reality is that if you bet more errors than the average user, and look like you are targeting that, many books will limit you, and 5dimes will cut you off.

Part of the game as JJ said. :\

[Optional]

That is not what i'm doing at all. If my account has thousands of bets on it, and less than 5 are "bad lines", does that mean all I'm doing is scouring for typos and other errors? Earning a living? You must be kidding me, or is that your version of a semi-bluff?

5 obvious errors bet like this one is even more than I would expect 5Dimes to tolerate without doing something.

Lots of people have been booted for just one there, if they saw it as an egregious attempt to profit from the error.

They hate it.

[nyplayer33]

Celtics 500 to 1 if they only have 4 players on.court all the time maybe

[semibluff]

That is not what i'm doing at all. If my account has thousands of bets on it, and less than 5 are "bad lines", does that mean all I'm doing is scouring for typos and other errors? Earning a living? You must be kidding me, or is that your version of a semi-bluff?

Your post, (#5 in this thread), has you betting 5 bad lines over 2 sports. Your posts didn't mention betting any correctly priced long-shots at the same time. You later admit to being warned previously for betting bad lines. Your own posts portray you as a shot-taker. Don't try to BS this forum about your betting less than 5 bad lines over thousands of bets. I don't care if you bet bad lines. I don't care if you get away with it. If you bet bad lines and you get caught then don't bitch about it. No-one is going to use any influence they have with a book to bat for you just so you can continue to take shots.

...and if your come-back is take shots at someone's screen name then you really don't have much going for you.