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  • milwaukee mike
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 08-22-07
    • 26914

    #176
    Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

    exactly

    and very unfortunate so many BETTORS always side with the offshore book






    if it is determined this mother of 2 is actually betting on someone else's behalf, then i say bodog should keep the fukkin money plus the deposit
    Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
    this case has nothing to do with sbr and i dont see how sbr could help (unless they prove this person has multiple accounts)

    given the rules of offshore, i think they will and should side with the book

    but it does not make it right and offshore needs changed if they want to keep up with regulated books

    when will sbr come in with regulated usa books?

    hopefully the next step for them
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    very unfortunate indeed, especially coming from such a great player's advocate and all
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    • RudyRuetigger
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-24-10
      • 65084

      #177
      Originally posted by milwaukee mike

      very unfortunate indeed, especially coming from such a great player's advocate and all
      you are siding with the book

      i am not

      given the bad standards of offshore, this person doesnt have a chance

      what is your point?

      why didnt you highlight the point i said its wrong and they better change or they will be screwed against regulated books
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      • USCPHILLYGUY
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-15-12
        • 21746

        #178
        Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
        this case has nothing to do with sbr and i dont see how sbr could help (unless they prove this person has multiple accounts)

        given the rules of offshore, i think they will and should side with the book

        but it does not make it right and offshore needs changed if they want to keep up with regulated books

        when will sbr come in with regulated usa books?

        hopefully the next step for them
        Rudy what would SBR’s next step be here in the states?
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        • allabout the $$$
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 04-17-10
          • 9843

          #179
          SBR serves no purpose in a regulated sports betting market. the state handles disputes
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          • Sam Odom
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 10-30-05
            • 58063

            #180
            "RUDY ADVOCATE"



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            • milwaukee mike
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 08-22-07
              • 26914

              #181
              Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
              you are siding with the book

              i am not

              given the bad standards of offshore, this person doesnt have a chance

              what is your point?

              why didnt you highlight the point i said its wrong and they better change or they will be screwed against regulated books
              i'm not siding with the book, you are

              maybe you have poor reading comprehension... i said 4 times that bodog was wrong

              you on the other hand said bodog should keep the winnings AND the deposit, and that sbr should rule in the book's favor, how is that not siding with the book?

              seems like i'm in the freaking twilight zone in this thread
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              • juicername
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 10-14-15
                • 6906

                #182
                Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                this case has nothing to do with sbr and i dont see how sbr could help (unless they prove this person has multiple accounts)

                given the rules of offshore, i think they will and should side with the book

                but it does not make it right and offshore needs changed if they want to keep up with regulated books

                when will sbr come in with regulated usa books?

                hopefully the next step for them
                Do regulated USA books pay affiliate commission? If not probably of no interest.
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                • RudyRuetigger
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 08-24-10
                  • 65084

                  #183
                  Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY
                  Rudy what would SBR’s next step be here in the states?
                  setting up a structure to buy hotel rooms at casinos with betpoints

                  pretty obvious really
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                  • RudyRuetigger
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 08-24-10
                    • 65084

                    #184
                    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                    i'm not siding with the book, you are

                    maybe you have poor reading comprehension... i said 4 times that bodog was wrong

                    you on the other hand said bodog should keep the winnings AND the deposit, and that sbr should rule in the book's favor, how is that not siding with the book?

                    seems like i'm in the freaking twilight zone in this thread
                    again, why didnt you highlight the major parts?

                    its the industry standard to fukk over the player when it comes to offshore
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                    • downsouth
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 01-13-11
                      • 11580

                      #185
                      I do have to say i am always amused by the backstory. Small bettor that barely plays suddenly finds a books stupidity and hits a series of correlated parlays for 20k. And then of course adds the 2kids, mother, etc.

                      I wonder how much time they put into these stories?

                      That being said, book should pay our sweet little angle shooter.
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                      • milwaukee mike
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 08-22-07
                        • 26914

                        #186
                        Originally posted by downsouth
                        I do have to say i am always amused by the backstory. Small bettor that barely plays suddenly finds a books stupidity and hits a series of correlated parlays for 20k. And then of course adds the 2kids, mother, etc.

                        I wonder how much time they put into these stories?

                        That being said, book should pay our sweet little angle shooter.
                        agree 100%

                        i also like how it starts with "aw shucks i didn't know what i was doing, please help" and the very next day it's "if i don't get my way i'm gonna twitter blast them all over the internet!"
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                        • RudyRuetigger
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 08-24-10
                          • 65084

                          #187
                          Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                          agree 100%

                          i also like how it starts with "aw shucks i didn't know what i was doing, please help" and the very next day it's "if i don't get my way i'm gonna twitter blast them all over the internet!"
                          do i need to copy/paste all of your quotes in this thread?

                          bro, i dont care if its a pro russian working with hillary

                          he won

                          bodog needs to fix their shit
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                          • allabout the $$$
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 04-17-10
                            • 9843

                            #188
                            Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                            setting up a structure to buy hotel rooms at casinos with betpoints

                            pretty obvious really
                            anyone who gambles gets free rooms at the casino. never mind its sbr everyone airbets
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                            • allabout the $$$
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 04-17-10
                              • 9843

                              #189
                              after all of my research these are bad lines for bovada. OP got greedy and parlayed them. OP should be paid though.

                              how was durant at 31-1 to hit most 3's when he was the 4th player on both teams in 3's per game? Obvious bad line.
                              8-12 to 1 would have been more feasible

                              durant was almost 4-1 to score most points when he was the 2nd leading scorer on both teams combined. line is a little high but nothing to crazy.

                              if bovada would have said bad line then the case for the book would have more merit imo.

                              If OP was smart would have kept playing those lines straight and made some decent money but greed gets everyone in the long run
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                              • THEPUNCHOUTMAN
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 07-08-17
                                • 9

                                #190
                                Those plays are prop bets and not correlated parlays. The player bet on separate props and used the winnings to stick it up their ass. They need to pay!
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                                • THEPUNCHOUTMAN
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 07-08-17
                                  • 9

                                  #191
                                  Bets were props and not correlated parlays. Pay up Bovada!
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                                  • TheMoneyShot
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 02-14-07
                                    • 28672

                                    #192
                                    Originally posted by THEPUNCHOUTMAN
                                    Those plays are prop bets and not correlated parlays. The player bet on separate props and used the winnings to stick it up their ass. They need to pay!
                                    Originally posted by THEPUNCHOUTMAN
                                    Bets were props and not correlated parlays. Pay up Bovada!
                                    Are you the mother's boyfriend on the side??? Where did you come from with your 3 posts since 1978?
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                                    • juicername
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 10-14-15
                                      • 6906

                                      #193
                                      Originally posted by Tiff18
                                      ...

                                      If they had sent something (or even better, called me) like "We messed up. Sorry but we can't let those bets stand because we made a bunch of mistakes. We should have told you after the very first bet you won and for that we apologize. Here is a % of the winnings. Don't bet parlays anymore." then I wouldn't even have come here. If they still do that I will move on. Otherwise, I'll wait to see if SBR can help me and if not, I'll just post the story to Twitter.

                                      And to those of you who think "no one cares you are a mother of two" I think you are wrong. The general public will probably care a lot about this story. They won't know what a parlay even means but they will see a middle-aged, middle-class woman with two young kids who won $25,000 and the online casino that took the winnings back.

                                      It isn't ideal for me or my family to go that route but it seems worth the trouble to have the story out there.
                                      You're probably right that the general public will care, but the morale police (and there's a ton of them) will be the loudest and be like "why is a mother of two gambling for thousands of dollars, shame on you lady".
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                                      • icon
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-09-18
                                        • 3436

                                        #194
                                        Originally posted by juicername
                                        You're probably right that the general public will care, but the morale police (and there's a ton of them) will be the loudest and be like "why is a mother of two gambling for thousands of dollars, shame on you lady".
                                        The original poster is not a woman but is a guy using his girlfriends or wifes Bodog acct.

                                        "mother of two" was just a ploy to make it appear to be more legit.
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                                        • juicername
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 10-14-15
                                          • 6906

                                          #195
                                          Originally posted by icon
                                          The original poster is not a woman but is a guy using his girlfriends or wifes Bodog acct.

                                          "mother of two" was just a ploy to make it appear to be more legit.
                                          Of course, we all know that, but that's the story they plan to sell on Twitter where people are more gullible.
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                                          • milwaukee mike
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 08-22-07
                                            • 26914

                                            #196
                                            Originally posted by allabout the $$$
                                            after all of my research these are bad lines for bovada. OP got greedy and parlayed them. OP should be paid though.

                                            how was durant at 31-1 to hit most 3's when he was the 4th player on both teams in 3's per game? Obvious bad line.
                                            8-12 to 1 would have been more feasible

                                            durant was almost 4-1 to score most points when he was the 2nd leading scorer on both teams combined. line is a little high but nothing to crazy.

                                            if bovada would have said bad line then the case for the book would have more merit imo.

                                            If OP was smart would have kept playing those lines straight and made some decent money but greed gets everyone in the long run
                                            the bets were fair prices

                                            durant had led the game in 3 pointers made TWICE during the regular season (and one of those was a tie) out of 82 games

                                            2/82 is in the neighborhood of the 1/31 price

                                            prop bets should almost NEVER BE CANCELLED due to a "bad line", they fluctuate wildly based on people max betting them, and in this case there is no way that the bet should've been 8/1, that's just silly.

                                            the lines weren't bad, but parlaying them together was (correlated)... but no different than when youwager used to allow correlated parlays on college football... you could take stuff like alabama -41 with over 47 in those non-conference games... they finally got smart and quit allowing them, but in the meantime they didn't freeroll everyone
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                                            • downsouth
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 01-13-11
                                              • 11580

                                              #197
                                              Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                              agree 100%

                                              i also like how it starts with "aw shucks i didn't know what i was doing, please help" and the very next day it's "if i don't get my way i'm gonna twitter blast them all over the internet!"
                                              Its almost always some form of the same story.
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                                              • scottgodson1985
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 11-17-12
                                                • 347

                                                #198
                                                dont be a roosterlicker
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                                                • icon
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-09-18
                                                  • 3436

                                                  #199
                                                  Originally posted by scottgodson1985
                                                  dont be a roosterlicker
                                                  why would anyone lick a rooster?
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                                                  • BuckyOne
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 01-02-15
                                                    • 2728

                                                    #200
                                                    Originally posted by allabout the $$$
                                                    after all of my research these are bad lines for bovada. OP got greedy and parlayed them. OP should be paid though.

                                                    how was durant at 31-1 to hit most 3's when he was the 4th player on both teams in 3's per game? Obvious bad line.
                                                    8-12 to 1 would have been more feasible

                                                    durant was almost 4-1 to score most points when he was the 2nd leading scorer on both teams combined. line is a little high but nothing to crazy.

                                                    if bovada would have said bad line then the case for the book would have more merit imo.

                                                    If OP was smart would have kept playing those lines straight and made some decent money but greed gets everyone in the long run

                                                    They could still say it was correlated and a bad line and the player was a professional and the bonuses are only for recreational players. A lot of Kahnawake (Sportsinteraction) must have rubbed off on Bovada. This is the kind of thing they would have done.
                                                    Last edited by BuckyOne; 04-30-19, 10:11 PM.
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                                                    • rm18
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 09-20-05
                                                      • 22291

                                                      #201
                                                      I dont think Durant would of won this bet once in the 78 games he payed in the regular season, sure its correlated but not like it is stealing money.
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                                                      • allabout the $$$
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 04-17-10
                                                        • 9843

                                                        #202
                                                        Originally posted by rm18
                                                        I dont think Durant would of won this bet once in the 78 games he payed in the regular season, sure its correlated but not like it is stealing money.
                                                        he did it 2xs regular season
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                                                        • rm18
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 09-20-05
                                                          • 22291

                                                          #203
                                                          Ok I only checked the games he made 4 or more, I guess he could of done it with 3.
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                                                          • ans61201
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 10-11-15
                                                            • 3661

                                                            #204
                                                            Originally posted by rm18
                                                            Ok I only checked the games he made 4 or more, I guess he could of done it with 3.
                                                            Regular season? As in nights where there are 10 games going on compared to only a couple during the playoffs ?
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                                                            • rm18
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 09-20-05
                                                              • 22291

                                                              #205
                                                              Originally posted by ans61201
                                                              Regular season? As in nights where there are 10 games going on compared to only a couple during the playoffs ?
                                                              Only against players in his own game I mean.
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                                                              • milwaukee mike
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 08-22-07
                                                                • 26914

                                                                #206
                                                                Originally posted by rm18
                                                                Only against players in his own game I mean.
                                                                but the bet is for most 3s IN ALL GAMES PLAYED THAT DAY... and most points IN ALL GAMES PLAYED THAT DAY

                                                                for example there were 2 games for that durant bet, so he had to outscore everyone on all 4 teams, and make more 3s than anyone else on all 4 teams

                                                                there was an edge to these bets, but it wasn't stealing by any stretch of the imagination... it was bodog's fault for allowing them to be parlayed, and the player had to get EXTREMELY LUCKY to hit a few big ones
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                                                                • rm18
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 09-20-05
                                                                  • 22291

                                                                  #207
                                                                  Ok I didnt even see him have the most in his own game ever but I only checked when he made 4 or more threes.
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                                                                  • allabout the $$$
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 04-17-10
                                                                    • 9843

                                                                    #208
                                                                    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                                                    but the bet is for most 3s IN ALL GAMES PLAYED THAT DAY... and most points IN ALL GAMES PLAYED THAT DAY
                                                                    i have been thinking just in that game. if its all games played that day then that makes it a completely different story.
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                                                                    • BuckyOne
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 01-02-15
                                                                      • 2728

                                                                      #209
                                                                      Ok - so the 5 favorites that night to combo the most points/most 3’s were KD, Thompson, Curry, Harden, ?CP.
                                                                      what happens if you bet 5 separate parlays each time? That wins as well, right! Was there value on all 5 parlays? This comes down to the bookmaker at Bovada being an idiot! The bookmaker thought he could win every dime bet on these props.

                                                                      So, a sharp nails them? But, they have a catch 22 rule. No sharps or pros. All squares will lose - only sharps can find value - player won - must be a sharp - void the bets!

                                                                      Bovada bookmarking is incompetent - they should not even be offering prop bets if they do not know what they are doing!
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                                                                      • ans61201
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 10-11-15
                                                                        • 3661

                                                                        #210
                                                                        Originally posted by rm18
                                                                        Ok I didnt even see him have the most in his own game ever but I only checked when he made 4 or more threes.
                                                                        I’d have to check myself but In the 15+ games Steph missed or was hurt hard to think kd didn’t do this a few times in his own games
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