Running into the thread like a jerk? I'm actually trying to help you believe it or not.
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well it doesn't seem like it.
you were patrionizing me. I reacted the way I did this week for a reason.
when I was nice this week I was run all over. When I got pissed is when people started really looking at the issues at hand.
if I took your post the wrong, which I am not sure you can, I am sorry.
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Melin shut your mouth your acting like SBR is a service you are paying for. Im shocked anyone here is willing to help you at allComment -
Wow great post jackass. A paid service, no. A helpful outlet that helps the offshore player as a way to pay their bills and work, yes. If they want to do what's right, that's great. If they want to back off, that's their decision. The fact that I had the correct info in my possession and was posting here and emailing to people made me upset that nobody was understanding. It was frustrating. But now that the important people understand, the results will be positive. I will let everyone know tomorrow if it gets solved. But telling me to shut up on a message board??? Come on guy, go unhook your fanny pack and grow some backbone. If you can't take my posts, then go join a message board about sowing. Weak ass loserComment -
You're not female, are you? really? You're the husband, right?Comment -
Why do you think that? Because it is rare for a woman to stick up for herself in this industry? Exactly my point in why they targeted me, because they thought I would let them get away with it. You target 100 people to play with your book, if they play and lose, its money in the bank, if they win, let them play until they wanna cash out and when they do wanna cash out, send them their deposit back and think of some things we can make up to make it hard for them ever get their winnings. Its a scam. But every so often you may screw with someone that won't stand for this. I am a woman and do no let people steal from me. Sorry. Is that the best you have? Asking me who I am? Who cares if my husband did want to say something on here? Think of other ways to back sia to not paying. But not my gender.Comment -
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Actually, I'm female, and I also don't like books stealing from clients. I'm not suggesting they're not paying because you're female. I'm suggesting that you might just be the husband pretending to be the wife, and that there are real question marks - points of factual contention - over the details of your claim.
You also didn't answer my previous question: when the wife told SIA that the husband had had a prior ********** to them, did the wife also tell them that the wife would be depositing with his credit card? Or did the wife just go ahead and deposit with his card?
If all is as you submit, and you just have a very unusual writing style for one of the fairer sex, then I apologise unreservedly.Comment -
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I have a **** and a ********** through B of A. They can't be the same number, obviously, but they can be part of the same account.Comment -
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Melin I feel bad for your poor wife she is probably a greyed out anxious women too weak and abused to divorce you. Have some sympathy stop gambling away your life savings and take your wife out once in a while.Comment -
It's certainly possible for Husband to be the sole authorized user on a **** and Husband/Wife to both be authorized users on a ** on the same account.
I don't know if it's possible for Husband to be sole AU on one card, and wife sole AU on another card, and have them on the same account. I would doubt it, since if either person logged in, they would be able to access a card they weren't an AU on.Comment -
So perhaps Mel is trying to show AU of the **** card just by showing they're on the same account? And SIA is rejecting that as proof of AU re. the **** card, as indeed it only extends to use of the account? If Mel can clarify exactly what the paperwork shows (use of account 'vs' use of ****), it would seem to make clear whether the wife has a case or not.Comment -
Would be real cool of someone can find out when and where I said one had a **** and one had a **********. We both have ****'s. Mine was left at Turner field and a new one coming. i asked if it mattered if I used my husbands account before I sent and they said it was fine. This was on the live chat and saved. I am not a grey haired woman. We are in our early 30,s and own an insurance company. Since 1991 we have traveled around with a band widespread panic. But since we had our 1st born, we basically work and spend our weekends on the lake or at the beach condo. Not sure why you kids feel the need to make up shit. Both ****'s. Same bank account and yes they knew. That is why they sent that form to me. I posted the email on here but couldn't attach form. Justin has a copy of the form in his hands though. So Justin, please validate what it says for these negative folks. Proof has been given, but keep reachin folks, your reachin and routing for a book 2 screw me over. That's awesome support.Comment -
I am waiting patiently to find out where I said the word **********..... Why would you just make up stuff and post it in here saying I claimed this nonsense. Please explain yourself. I appreciate it.Comment -
This is a complete train wreck.
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" I almost got let go early from work one day for dedicating work time on this."
" We are in our early 30,s and own an insurance company. "
...hubby was going to fire you?
" that is a lot for a working mother in this economy. really could have used it.
grandfather passed away today and we need to fly to NY. would have loved to used that money."
" ...spend our weekends on the lake or at the beach condo. "
...self-owned co. , a house, a boat and a beach front condo...and you are waiting on a few bucks from an online gambling co. to go to your grandfathers funeral?
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@ Mel: My mistake on the ********** / **** thing. I see it was Papsmear who talked about that on pg 1. I will edit my posts accordingly.
Important question, as yet unanswered, so I'm asking for the 3rd time: when SIA solicited you to make a deposit, and you explained that your husband had had a previous ********** to them, did you also say that you were going to use his **** card to deposit?
Second question, now relevant: If you were getting your **** replaced, and that was the reason you used his, why couldn't you wait to make a deposit? Or get the new number from the **** provider so that you could deposit with the card held in your name?Comment -
Third question: If you both had Visas on the same **** account, you're saying that you are an Authorised User of his **** card number? In addition to your **** card number?
I've never heard of that before, but that doesn't mean it's the case. When a gym fraudulently charged my **** for membership for my husband (after his trial membership had expired), they used my **** number. We disputed it, and won because, even though we couldn't prove that he had never signed a document saying he would be billed for full membership after a trial period - can't prove a negative, and the gym refused to show us the document they said they had - he was never an authorised user of my **** number, even though we were on the same **** account, so could never have validly given it in payment. As it was, the gym just stole it off my paperwork. They went bust a few months later, but that's another story.Comment -
Melinsurance79,
The story of your credit card being fraudulently used to fund an online sportsbook account with SIA is simply NOT BELIEVEABLE.
However, lets assume it did happen exactly the way you described it.
My next question would be the following:
Why would you then use the SAME CREDIT CARD to fund an account AT THE SAME ONLINE SPORTSBOOK especially since the card is NOT even under your own name?
Also, you keep saying how bad it is when a sportsbook rips off a WOMAN and it sounds like you're trying to imply that its WORSE when a sportsbook rips off a woman as opposed to a man.
The most likely scenario here is that you funded a previous account with SIA and lost your entire deposit so you decided to stiff them with the bogus identity theft claim.
Then you waited a while and figured you would take a 2nd freeroll shot against them but this time you won and expect to be paid.
The only thing you have proven is that a woman can be every bit as despicable as a man.
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ok andy- pay attention- this is going to be the 10th time i say this.
we used the same card because we asked them if it was ok. this incident happened 5 years ago on his card. they said they wanted my business because they knew i played elsewhere.
its that simple.
to everyone else commenting about a train wreck..yes we own an insurance company, yes i can get fired from a job if i am at a company writing business and i am on the phone with betting people and not doing my job. business is down this year, so yeah, the money would be great to have. the beach condo is my fathers...but he never uses it. our boat is a 2000 sea ray and paid for, so no payment. umm...what else do i need to tell you about my life....um....oh yea, why do i care about a lousy $1700? i dont care if you stole $10. a scam is a scam.
should i just let them continue doing this to others? no , they wanted my business, they have to pay! aiming high, i have answered your question 3 times already- why are you posting like i haven't? do you work for or are friends with sia people? wise up.Comment -
they knew we were on the same bank account. THEY DIDNT CARE. thats why they sent that form from us to sign.
i could have used 1 of YOUR credit cards if you just fill out the liability form.
i can forward it to ya. do you guys go to vegas and stand behind players and route for the house? even when they are stealing and lying?Comment -
ask justin for the form. he has it now.
i gotta hit the road...talk to you after my meeting with sia this morning.Comment -
altough i agree with the fact this poster is a bit (a lot?) on the weird side, and there are some question marks as to whether the husband or the wife is posting here, this shouldn't really matter and it's the facts that should determine whether sia should pay.
assuming the third party form exists that would imply third party transfers are allowed. also, altough the identity theft-story is obvious bs, sia might or might not have authorized the exact same card which was used in a previous ********** but it is certain they didn't flag the card when used in the initial deposit, which is what you would expect them to do. they have a policy of blacklisting unwanted cards, they said so themselves in the e-mail that was posted here.
they asked for the poster for a number of documents, as far as i can tell none of which actually asked the poster to prove he or she was in fact an authorized user, but purely to prove the husband approved of the wife using his card. as far as i can tell, the poster send in these documents and the validity of these documents as such are not disputed by sia.
this is a long thread with way to many posts from the original poster which only makes people reading this not sympathizing with him/here, but i don't understand why SIA can rightfully decide not to pay when they have done nothing to stop this account up until this point, third party deposits are apparently allowed and the poster has send in the requested documents. the rest of it is all irrelevant imo.Comment -
Honestly, I'm not rooting for them, just trying to figure out the facts.
Being on the same bank account is NOT the same as being an Authorised User on a credit card linked to that account. Hence why my husband and I both had Visas on the SAME **** account, BUT could dispute the use of my number for a fake purchase in his name for gym membership. He wasn't an Authorised User of my **** number, so could NEVER VALIDLY use it to pay for anything.
If I understand correctly, SIA wants proof that you are an Authorised User of your husband's **** number, NOT JUST that you are on the same bank account. There is a difference. That's why I keep asking the question. Are you an Authorised User of his **** number? Or just on the same bank account?
If your husband said to you, "go ahead and use it, honey" that's also NOT the same as being an Authorised User. That Authorisation needs to come from the bank / credit card provider.Comment -
yeah i thought it was the same number- but its the same bank. read noyb as he is correct in what i am trying to explain.
they dont care if its an authorized user on the account. they justwant permission from the card holder.
make sense? his post is exactly what i am telling you.
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OK, so all they want is a third party authorisation, and they're treating it as a standard third party authorisation case despite the earlier charge back, etc.? They don't care that you're not an Authorised User of your husband's card?
Well then it looks like you should be paid. Though I suspect you were taking a shot at the book, you followed their overly-weak rules. If they haven't protected themselves - have to wonder if your husband would have charged back if "someone" playing with his card details had lost again! - that's their lookout. Good luck getting paid.
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It is definitely a grey area and I feel (just hypothesizing) that the book would have received a charge back if the deposit had lost. The book messed up by soliciting the business and is now trying to find a reason not to pay. If they agreed to accept the deposit and stated it was not a problem AND all of the forms were submitted, then it shouldnt matter. They need to pay... Is this very very shady by the player? Yes, absolutely... But the book took a shot and lost and they should pay.
Also, I find it hard to believe that the credit card wasnt shut down and a new card issued when their was "identity theft" on it 5 years ago. I have worked in credit and related industries for the last 7 years and have NEVER experienced a card remaining active once the customer claims identity theft. The only instance is when the customer says it was not authorized. If there was more than 1 fraudulent transaction the card would have been shut down IMMEDIATELY. Banks do not leave cards active when unknown people supposedly have the card and/or numbers... That does not add up...Comment -
well Madison is a cs managr there. spoke with her saturday. she asked me to please stop calling them this weekend asking where the money is. she had to go back and look at jospehs email and then realized they should be paying.
she said if i dont call and "bother" anyone, then I can call her monday at 10am and this would be fixed. been calling all day- they still havent done a thing.
this book is so damn shady. will they pay me? who knows.Comment -
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yeah thats why i have not come on here until 2ish.
why you writing a book?
I am not handling this anymore. Its out of my hands.
I couldnt get myself paid. thought sbr would do the job, but just hasnt happened. keep you posted.
I sent you a pm- would love to know how you told me to get paid.
your sort of not answering that. tried the patient to roll, that worked well.
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See what happens Mel, and above all remain patient which I can not stress enough.....Easy to say of course, as it's always very distressing when one's funds are involved.
Believe me, I'm no fan of SIA as they gave me a royal screw over a decade ago. However, although they are a major pain in the ass, I would have to say that most of their "situations" end up being resolved in favor of the customer, at least from incidents I personally know of and from what I can recall of the SBR past history complaints.Comment -
yeah they wore me out with this.
depressing.Comment
