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What is the delay here from a supposed a+ book?????
He should have his 1,000 back ASAP and then we can debate about whether he should be credited for winnings. Tony has stolen this guys money. These books are shit. Need to stay with Vegas or wait until other states legalize it. Offshore is a gamble in it self. Your money is at risk whether on a bet or in your available balance....Last edited by shopp; 01-27-14, 11:07 PM.Comment -
And these posts only add to my suspicions. I've read all the posts about Tony. Still, if I believed I made a legit bet and it hadn't been graded, my first question would have been "Why haven't my bets been graded?" Not, "If something is wrong, cancel my bet." There's just no explanation for that. And betting so far past post is pretty suspicious. It wasn't just a couple of minutes. Now Tony saying you're a $10 better and your posts disproving that lend you some credibility, but I didn't see one bet you posted that was a boxing match (there was a UFC fight). Not saying you haven't, but if you've never bet a boxing match before that would make me even more suspicious.
Still, I am a firm believer in the presumption of innocence and not finding one guilty on suspicion. The right move to me would be refunding the balance prior to the past post bet and banning you, since I do believe suspicion would warrant not taking anymore of your bets. Each business has a right to do business with whomever they choose.Last edited by HuskerExpat; 01-27-14, 11:20 PM.Comment -
tmi.
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5 Dimes will sometimes keep lines up beyond their posted start time if the event start is delayed and they want more action.
Or in the case of tennis tournaments and similar events, the start time of a match is usually an estimate, and they often start much later.
So it's not unusual to see a line still up after the listed time.Comment -
PTT Pattaya Open - Pattaya City, Thailand
Tue 1/28 125 Su-Wei Hsieh -325
5:00AM 126 Tadeja Majeric +265
Tue 1/28 127 S-W.Hsieh Games Won -4½ +100 o19½ -123
5:00AM 128 T.Majeric Games Won +4½ -130 u19½ -107
Tue 1/28 145 Anna Schmiedlova +125
5:00AM 146 Sorana Cirstea -145
Tue 1/28 147 A.Schmiedlova Games Won +1½ +100 o21 -108
5:00AM 148 S.Cirstea Games Won -1½ -130 u21 -122Comment -
I'm trying my best to be cereal too . Come, Come my friend. Let us forget these troubles and feel magically Delicious.
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seems like enough time has past for there to have been a resolution. good luck, jay. you shouldn't need it but you do.
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been 4 or 5 days now....Comment -
After review of the evidence and discussion with the sportsbook as well as the player, this is much simpler than what he lays out.
His balance was 0. He deposited $1K solely to take advantage of erroneously listed UFC matches. All his play was staked on matches where outcomes were already known, in other words, about as blatant of a shot as can be took.
He needs to stop trying to obfuscate what happened, own up, ask for his deposit back and go on his way. Trying to sensationalize or keep his account open won't resolve this any sooner. Taking shots like this is a good way to burn a good out.Comment -
No offense, but you and your company are a bunch of dirty, inconsistent, contradicting, lying, scamming scumbags that I can't even begin to imagine how anyone can take you seriously as an "industry watchdog."
This is such f*cking bullshit, I don't know where to start. The fact of the matter is that his money was stolen, and you're basically telling him to be nice, go admit it, and HOPE to get your money back, seriously?
In my books, that's called scamming someone. If this was an RDG corp book you guys would be crying foul, telling everyone not to play there because this is shady and scam like behaviour, but because 5crimes lines your pockets, everything changes. We would have a video and the whole nine yard.
Taking shots never gives a book permission to steal someones money. Why is 5dimes leaving so many lines up late? Is it that hard to take them down? IF every single past posted ticket was a loser to this day, would there be any problem?
How about SBR take their head out of their ass and start basing decisions on actual facts and evidence, rather than how much money they collect from certain books.
The amount of shots he took is completely irrelevant here, what 5crimes is doing is blacklist material, if this were a lower graded, non sponsor book, would this situation be treated the same? I think we know the answer.
SBR, you're as big of scammers as the shady books that get blacklisted. You have no problem when a sponsor book takes part in shady behaviour, but when it's someone who doesn't line you're greedy ass pockets, it's immediate blacklist and bad publicity.
I'll return to the BetIslands fiasco because it's a perfect example. My main question is, knowing that 99% of the players and funds came directly from your customers, why would you not do the right thing and take every penny you accepted from BetIslands and pay the players back a much as you can with that? Why? Because you're a bunch of greedy bastards, who like many of the worlds wealthy, don't mind getting their hands dirty to line their own pockets.
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ok op, i guess we're gonna need to see screenshots of when you deposited. because if you deposited and then immediately made these bets it will look really bad.Comment -
sbr are compete crooks...again don't play at any of their sponsor books..because they will not stick up for you when the book decides to take your money.Comment -
"He deposited $1K solely to take advantage of erroneously listed UFC matches"
Please provide proof SBR. From earlier posts it seems he only had $400 at risk on the matches in question. Surely had the full $1000 been invested on known results than we're led to believe he knowingly placed some losing bets in an attempt to look legit. In my experience most people trying to pull off a big score on events that already took place usually go all in but info supplied by Jaymoney has him only risking $400. Granted I could be mistaken as I haven't followed every post since page 4.Comment -
I don't like to talk about ongoing complaints. Something is always left out of the players story. Plus, it's definitely not good for business.
If you submitted your complaint it will be reviewed and a decision will be made like the other 50 or so complaints a week are handled. SBR ruled against 5Dimes in a $46k case and they paid. I'm not a fan of the scamming the scammer for damages argument. If the facts are close to as stated I would think the player gets his deposit back after Tony is satisfied that his anti scammer PR campaign has run its course.
5 Dimes is cruising to be the top book in 2014 as voted on by you guys, the players. Several of those expressing a negative opinion about them in this thread are, ironically enough, booted players for trying some of the same shenanigans.Comment -
That's how it played out.
No funds were "stolen".
He deposited to exclusively bet on games which were already over. It's that simple. He's only eligible for his deposit back, obviously no winnings on past-posted bets. He has opted to spin yarn instead of owning up. The book is waiting for him.Comment -
Anyways as i posted earlier Jaymoney had no shot at a impartial ruling. As Bostonboss mentioned earlier SBR has become a complete joke as far as fair mediation is concerned. This site is only good for comedic banter between members to pass some time. Believing anything SBR says about a book is foolish. As much as I enjoy most of my time spent on here I'd much rather SBR be exposed for the true thieves and crooks they are and be shut down permanently. Justin 7 was clearly a man or morals and split when he realized the type of business SBR had become. For those of you still working for SBR, your character (or lack there of) has been proven.Comment -
Guys you're reading into this one too much.
His deposit / all money rightfully his is not in danger.
5D is colorful making the point sometimes dealing with past-posters, especially when it is as blatant as this particular case, but let that be a discouragement to someone doing the same. It's not worth losing a top-tier book over a cheap attempt to pad your bankroll which will almost certainly always be caught. If you expect your money wired back to you overnight and to not have to at least admit/acknowledge wrongdoing, you expect too much.
The player's been advised over email on the simple steps he must take to close this one out.Comment -
SBR needs to give a more complete review of the evidence on both sides to explain the decision to the people who are outraged. To me, it looks very very suspicious that OP knowingly bet past post. He deposits on the same day of the bet and bets well past post. Then he goes into a chat and immediately has a guilty conscience from the start of the chat. His own version of events is nonsensical in that he says he bets fights at the last minute so he can judge the fighters appearance as he is coming to the ring but then he says he wasn't even watching this fight because he was at work. So why did he have to bet last minute (or well past post in this situation)? Has he even bet a boxing match before? He posted a ton of transactions and not one of them was a boxing match, let alone a fairly obscure one at a tiny casino.
I absolutely agree that 5Dimes has no right to confiscate his money even if he knowingly bet past post. Still, I understand the hostility if they think they have solid proof that he knowingly bet past post. I think it should be shared here since he is the one that brought this to the SBR forums.Last edited by HuskerExpat; 01-28-14, 12:48 PM.Comment -
Is it not also complete garbage that 5Dimes has a license to steal by simply keeping lines up, taking wagers, then Tony crying foul about those that win, banning them, keeping there funds and because he supplies a fat envelope to SBR, he's further empowered to steal. Oh wait we're supposed to believe that books are honest and don't ever participate in shady business because the offshore gaming industry is so squeaky clean
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WOW, what a read!Comment -
As I assumed, it's a bit more clear now of what is going on.
Honestly, the guy is getting his deposit money back.
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Some good points. In retrospect, I believe the OP should have filed a complaint with SBR rather than starting a thread with possibly misleading info. I do not believe 5D should keep the coins. Get the OP his money and shut down the account.Is it not also complete garbage that 5Dimes has a license to steal by simply keeping lines up, taking wagers, then Tony crying foul about those that win, banning them, keeping there funds and because he supplies a fat envelope to SBR, he's further empowered to steal. Oh wait we're supposed to believe that books are honest and don't ever participate in shady business because the offshore gaming industry is so squeaky cleanLast edited by Easy-Rider 66; 01-28-14, 01:22 PM.Comment -
SBR Forum admin that's cold and dirty. See this is why you saw that tmi post up top from me. Because I had posted something that would probably not allow me to see how SBR would finalize their results. i wanted to see how corrupt this ish would get. I wanted to see the result and my last post would compromise SBR even having to put one out. So I edited it and changed it to tmi. Now I know I did the right thing. Not only do you twist the facts, but you also go as extreme as you can with misinformation. You completely accuse the player and state no wrong by the book, you claim you reviewed the case and the info and read the thread etc., but somehow it shows you are confused. I deposited $1,000 on FRIDAY to make sure I got it in before Saturday which is when the UFC fights started. So SBR FORUM admin, where did YOU GET THAT I DEPOSITED $1000 to take advantage of erroneous UFC LINES??? The disputed wager is a boxing match which occurred FRIDAY. THAT IS THE DAY BEFORE..lol By Saturday my money was locked up by Tony, which means I didn't get to play any erroneous or legitimate lines. i don't know why I was expecting SBR to show impartiality. Maybe it's because I really believed this is a watchdog for us. Maybe because it's the only forum I know about aside from the other C place. If you read my Jay Money's Cashout Thread you'll see why I waited to make a $1,000 deposit. I was supposed to wait until 7/12/14 by my own rules in that thread. The fight game intrigues me and like any other compulsive gambler on a big fight weekend you want to make sure you have your money in early. Saturday had good boxing matches and a UFC card. If you make a deposit on Friday and while you're looking at the picks for the next day you notice that there are fights on Friday, and you like and recognize one of the names for Friday why must you wait till Saturday? Too not look suspicious? No I wanted to bet a little on Friday so I chose the Bundrage fight and I also chose a Stevens fight scheduled for the same exact time on the 5D BOARD. THAT STEVENS FIGHT WAS GRADED. THAT STEVENS FIGHT WAS ALSO SCHEDULED FOR the same EXACT TIME OF 10:45pm. THAT STEVENS FIGHT WAS ALSO LOCKED IN AT 10:56PM. Was that one past posted too? Apparently not. The nature of the fight game is that some fights will happen before and some will happen after the posted time on the line. If it is STILL UP you assume as a gambler that it is fairplay. Especially when that bet goes through at several different prices and you don't have the option to look up any details about it. This is sad. For the record $400 was wagered in that day. $1000 was deposited. The fight game was my focus for the weekend. Friday had a recognizable name up so I tried to build my br a little bit to have more available funds for the next day. I bet $400 which is the smaller portion of $1,000. I usually go big and stay one side unless I have to fade later in the game. What I did wrong I don't know, but SBR FORUM EXPOSED TRUE COLORS TODAY.Comment -
Never even played there? But somehow you are a 5Dimes expert? I like RebateWager but they have higher juice and less than 1/100th of the selection. You are either not price sensitive or much of a player to solely play with one small shop.
After you have played at 5Dimes let me know your unshilled opinion.Comment -
Before editing that comment last night, the tmi one with the smiley face, I copied it on the ipad clipboard because I meant it. Here's what it said word for word copy and pasted:
Thankfully I'm American and don't have to be subjected to being at the mercy of the god of Costa Rica and public opinions. I'll leave it at that. Came clean with the people and they got my back. MODS thank you guys for your efforts, but I don't need the help anymore. You take advantage of people and it will bite you in the arse. Tony baloney can blow me! Captrobey throw up a hotdog 1 time please.Comment
I hate you for this. It's funny though. F'n Captro man....you been busting funnies since I started the thread and I'm trying my best to be serious..hahaha.
